Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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I believe they rejected this on the premise that they could so this with no due process or evidence. I'm glad the GOP rejected this.
meanspartan
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Other way around. M16 was made from the AR 15 for military use, including full auto fire. The AR 15 came first.
Modding an AR 15 for full auto is VERY illegal in most places.
Because we can actually do shit about guns to stop people from easily murdering 50 people with a legally bought weapon.
What is your solution to toxic ideology?
A ban on guns will NEVER happen. That is a bridge too far, especially with the 2nd amendment.
But you can make regulate the fucking shit out of them. Make it a rigorous process to purchase, own, and use. It shouldn't be so easy. Unfortunately, even the suggestion of this turns into, they're taking away MAH GUNZ!!! And that's not helpful to the discussion at all. There is a real point of compromise possible that isn't banning all guns, if the NRA were ever interested in anything but their own well-being.
But you can make regulate the fucking shit out of them. Make it a rigorous process to purchase, own, and use. It shouldn't be so easy. Unfortunately, even the suggestion of this turns into, they're taking away MAH GUNZ!!! And that's not helpful to the discussion at all. There is a real point of compromise possible that isn't banning all guns, if the NRA were ever interested in anything but their own well-being.
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
PS: I think the guns debate continues to be relevant though...
Yeah he killed 50 people by spitting Quran verses at them. SMH.
Completely go ahead and ignore the real issue here.
jacob armitage
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Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
Also the difficult in dealing with extremists, muslim or not, is far more difficult that enforcing far stricter gun control laws, a problem that American can tackle and resolve relatively quickly (though obviously not politically easy). Lets as a society tackle the problem we can bloody well fix, as many other countries have.
everyday math
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I hope she finds him.
holygeesus
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Wow they have a UK store!
I'm against any groups being targeted for violence or mass hate crimes, in that same regards I think liberals often forget Islam is a religion and in many, MANY regards just as toxic in beliefs and even worse than say Cathlocism or Christianity. If it wasn't for Islamphobe and natural warring nature of religions I feel like Muslims and christian conservatives would be bosom buddies in the conservative and GOP nation. This same attack could have been easily carried out by a Westboro or other christian religious zealot and I would not have been any more or less surprised it was carried out by a muslim. Many religious people are going to be feigning concern with "prayers and thoughts for victims" today but their beliefs aren't suddenly changing.
I know we are in the age of make shit as simple as possible and give me numbers to order from a drive thru menu but lets not do a discussion like this disrespect by trying to boil it down only one thing allowed to talk about when its much more nuanced than just that. It just screams agenda when people do shit like that and try to clamp down any other talk they don't approve of.
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
Guns can be controlled by enacting laws restricting them.
Toxic ideology is something that takes years, generations, of effort and education to confront and control.
The gun debate is hot because it's a simple subject and you have overgrown and entitled children who want to hang onto their guns so bad.
And yet there was zero will to produce more nuanced legislation in the aftermath. There will always be a reason for those in the NRA's pocket to not support any gun control law that is brought before congress, the lobbyists will see to that.
Yes. Oklahoma City bombing.
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
PS: I think the guns debate continues to be relevant though...
Corrupt and impoverished former colonies?
Frozenprince
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I hate these tragedies.
Gun regulation is an issue, it's BEEN AN ISSUE.
But ignoring the systemic and radical motivators that give birth to an ideology of hatred and bitterness against homosexuals to the point of murder is an issue here, too.
We as a society need to address both. But stop fucking acting like only one matters.
A terrorist would never think to use any other device to hurt large numbers of people.
7DollarHagane
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Well the fbi could have arrested him years back but that probably would have started some controversy about arresting him because of his race or parents origin. There wasn't enough evidence to take action at the time.
Should the requirements be loosened for those terrorist watch lists and infringe on their rights or ban/confiscate guns people obtained legally and have never used for a crime and infringe on their rights?
Or. Maybe it should be a bit of both and not just the extreme that doesn't affect you personally.
Cindi Mayweather
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Already do.
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everyday math
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There's a lot of problems about this, unfortunately. The lists aren't publicly known, so anyone could be put on the list.
That really has nothing to do with this or extremism being a worldwide problem.
Clockwork5
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What an absolute nightmare. My condolences go out to everyone affected.
I just cannot understand what would drive someone to such violence.
I just cannot understand what would drive someone to such violence.
The Artisan
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what is there even to say?
meanspartan
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Absolutely. No argument here.
That's not solely on the GOP though.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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Yes a black market will always exist but I doubt the average nutcase shooter would be able to avoid shitting their pants to purchase an assault weapon on the black market. Black market arms dealers are; I assume, pretty frightening individuals compared to the average junkie heroin dealer. Forcing mentally deranged people to have to buy an AR-15 from the back of a truck in a shady part of town or out of a shipping container at 2:00 am from a dude with one eye and massive head scars alone would probably be a significant barrier to entry.
Vire
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Where do you think their hatred of gay people stems from?
Arrogant Bastard
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So you admit that there wasn't enough evidence to take action, but you think the FBI should have arrested him anyways?
Not really, or you'd see South America much more red in the map. And my history knowledge is not the best, but I'm not aware of middle eastern countries being colonized a lot.
Who's to say the shooter of today's tragedy didn't have the exact same thing at home?
Everyone is a responsible gun owner until they aren't. Say you were prone to depression or psychosis and you just got laid off or dumped by your girlfriend and you intend to harm someone, the mere fact that you have access to something that can instantly kill at range becomes a huge risk. Same with people that have fucked up ideologies, you can't say with a straight face that the United States is a country that is lacking on those. They might all be perfectly responsible gun owners until the day where they are pissed off enough to take matters in their own hands.
Because like it or not, the 2nd amendment is the law of the land right now. You can't deny people their rights without due process. The terror watch list and no-fly list provide almost no oversight for remedying errors and lack due process. That is why it got defeated.
Audioboxer
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Any further updates from the hospitals on those injured? Hope many have gotten to stable status.
Frozenprince
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A civil war is more likely than a ban on guns in America. Not even joking.
NRA money is a lot more common in Congress than sense.
It's so distantly related to this specific issue though. Most homophobes aren't murders, will not become murderers and don't condone murder.
Arrested him for what? This isn't Minority Report. We don't arrest people based on crystal balls predicting them committing crimes in the future.
The perfect doesnt need to be the enemy of the good.
Not sure what the point of this post even is?
When they control both the House and the Senate, it is. The GOP sets the legislative agenda.
Frozenprince
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What pisses me off so bad about these tragedies is the lack of nuance from both sides.
Radicalized Islamism, Homophobia, and Gun Control are ALL at fault here.
It's not a pick and choose game.
Radicalized Islamism, Homophobia, and Gun Control are ALL at fault here.
It's not a pick and choose game.
Milly Osworth
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But you do get brought up with the belief that homosexuals are worthless in Islam. IF this guy turned extremist, then the reason he went to the gay club is probably Islam. It's all speculation of course, but that map is still really disturbing.
This horrible event should make us seek solutions to the gun problem AND the Islam problem. It's not one or the other. In Paris Islam extremists sadly got automatic guns too, even when guns are banned in Europe. So it's not just about guns.
EdibleExplosives
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How the fuck is this still going on in America. It makes my fucking head ache that a country can have this many mass shootings and still have a huge percentage of its population be totally against not only banning guns but also any sort of strict regulation.
Yep. One however, is pretty easily solved/majorly reduced.
Yep. One however, is pretty easily solved/majorly reduced.
Indeed. This is a map of countries where being homosexual is outlawed. See a pattern here?
But no, let's stick our heads in the sand instead.
Source: https://76crimes.com/76-countries-where-homosexuality-is-illegal/
PS: I think the guns debate continues to be relevant though...
What pattern are you talking about? Yes a bunch of developing countries that are predominantly, Hindu, Muslim, or Christian that have laws against homosexuals...
This does not deal with religion. It deals with gun laws or people who should not have the right to buy guns in the first place.
RIP to all people who died.
If you are insulating to blame Islam. Then please see what Islam says about killing anyone. What we are taught and is stated that if you kill one person, its like you are killing the whole humanity/ human kind.
http://www.emuslim.com/islamagainstVoilence.asp
Arrogant Bastard
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Sigh.
Because a hi-cap AR-15 was used to do this. That is why there is a discussion on gun control. We can do something very easily about this, we really cannot do too much about radicalism. What do you think we can do about fundamentalism and radicalism?
Bam Bam Baklava
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