The Artisan
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i don't know. i don't have a solution but finding one should be a top priority,
just like finding a solution to this gun problem is a top priority to you.
Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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just like finding a solution to this gun problem is a top priority to you.
I'm stating a point of fact, nothing more. Because people may not know that fact. That's it.
Arrogant Bastard
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Stay classy GAF, stay classy.
We have a solution to aspects of the gun problem, we don't have solutions to the other. People have been placing it a top priority for sometime, nothing is working.
AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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I know a couple of people who frequent that club, including my boss who traveled to Orlando this weekend. I'm legitimately worried.
Permanently A
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If little kids murdered won't change people's minds, the death of a few gays certainly won't.
Abstrusity
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It looks like there were a LOT of poisonous, toxic comments, things like "This is why muslims should be banned" and "the leftist scum is just sitting here dying because they wont' get a gun" or "All guns should be banned, if you disagree you're the reason these people died."
A LOT of harassment, anti-LGBT, anti-Islam garbage.
DontBeThatGuy
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Interesting.
neurosyphilis
Definitely not an STD, as I'm a pure.
That'll stop as soon as racism ends...
This is America the land of a lot ignorant people, racism and homophobia will never go away in this country.
GeorgioCostanzaX
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What? That's insane if true. Are you saying that because of the American second amendment the FBI literally has to sit on their hands even if they have evidence that a person on a terrorist watch list has just made a fire arm purchase?
And the FBI said: "FBI Agent Ron Hopper told reporters Mateen may have had leanings toward Islamic extremism."
I guess we'll find out more in the days to come.
Absolutely tragic, it's been a bad week with the Sarona attacks and now this horrible atrocity in Orlando..
I'm very scared that these sorts of terrorist attacks are the only thing that could possibly get Trump elected, and that's almost as scary as these sorts of attacks themselves.
I'm very scared that these sorts of terrorist attacks are the only thing that could possibly get Trump elected, and that's almost as scary as these sorts of attacks themselves.
The guy pledged to ISIS. Islam does not have nice things to say to gay people. All major schools of thought agree that it requires a sever penalty.
Lightning_Roller
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A year or two ago, we had a shooting where a gunman killed children, CHILDREN!! At a elementary school. I thought that would be the time something would be done about gun regulation, but what happened....nothing. It was at that moment I lost any and all hope for change regarding regulation. And it's terribly fucking depressing. I'm sorry for the snappiness in my post but I'm just so fucking angry about this.
Education is the best way, but the west has fucked up the middle east situation so much that that's damn near impossible.
You can't change it with force, all that does is e we and keeps the status quo going (which is what the powers at be want anyways, keeps the money flow going)
Unfortunately this is only likely to drum up anti-muslim sentiment.
You would need to go through a lot more, with a lot more training and preparation, to commit this act without a gun.
There is a reason he had to dig back 21 years to find an example. The existence of 9/11 or OKC doesn't really have any relevance to why gun control should or shouldn't happen is my point.
...Also, taking no side is essentially taking the side of the status quo. Thats like saying I am taking no side amidst the struggle for gay marriage. I will just stay out of it. Staying out of it is just an endorsement for the status quo through inaction.
holygeesus
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By 'banning' Muslims you serve only to radicalise more people abroad into hating your country. By allowing Muslims into your county, or in our case Muslim refugees fleeing Syria, you actually dent the ISIS cause, as it serves to remind unconverted Muslims abroad that you aren't the devil nation that ISIS members portray you as.
This is why we should never have dropped bombs on Syria. It plays into the hands of fundamentalists. You are never going to win the war that way.
everyday math
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To those in Florida.
Phantast2k
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Seems like this person was violent to begin with and then (possibly) turned to radical Islam.
Ex-wife of suspected Orlando shooter: ‘He beat me’ - The Washington Post
Ex-wife of suspected Orlando shooter: ‘He beat me’ - The Washington Post
Law enforcement officials and relatives identified the gunman of the June 12, 2016 deadly shooting at an Orlando gay nightclub as Omar Mateen, a 29-year-old from Fort Pierce, Fla. ONLINE USAGE ONLY. (Myspace) (Myspace/Myspace)
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The ex-wife said she met Omar Mateen online about eight years ago and decided to move to Florida and marry him.
At first, the marriage was normal, she said, but then he became abusive.
“He was not a stable person,” said the ex-wife, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because she feared for her safety in the wake of the mass shooting. “He beat me. He would just come home and start beating me up because the laundry wasn’t finished or something like that.”
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Mateen’s ex-wife said his family was from Afghanistan, but her ex-husband was born in New York. His family later moved to Florida. In a series of Myspace photos, Mateen is seen taking selfies and wearing NYPD shirts in a couple of the shots. His ex-wife identified him as the man in the Myspace photos.
Mateen’s ex-wife said she was having a difficult time when she first met him and decided to move to Florida to be with him. The two married in March 2009 and moved into a 2-bedroom condominium in Fort Pierce, Fla., that Mateen’s family owned.
“He seemed like a normal human being,” she said, adding that he wasn’t very religious and worked out at the gym out often. She said in the few months they were married he gave no signs of having fallen under the sway of radical Islam. She said he owned a small-caliber handgun and worked as a guard at a nearby facility for juvenile delinquents.
“He was a very private person,” she said.
The ex-wife said her parents intervened when they learned Mateen had assaulted her. Her father confirmed the account and said that the marriage only lasted a few months.
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You're implying something that's extremely bigoted.
Yoda
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Racist comments are deplorable, but stopping the story from rising is just as terrible. It's an important (albeit sad) event for our country.
Bam Bam Baklava
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There's some irony that the country spent a week bashing Trump for claiming a judge born in Indiana is Mexican but then we do this.
This. You don't get to choose which one you blame. There's a lot of hate in this world right now, and in the US there's a lot of people who know that guns are available to them to cause massive amounts of damage.
What saddens me and pains me is that I expect this to not be the last because we don't react to this. We don't take a stance and do something, we try to find reasons as to why it happened and put blame on this or that- but what does that matter? People are dead for all of the reasons. 30 were gone yesterday, 50 are gone today, how many will be gone tomorrow?
The Artisan
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is it really that simple? every single year there are devastating mass murders and every year people argue about the problem with guns, and they continue.
no way can this be resolved right now. this happens every year but as far as I can tell, gun control laws don't change.
exactly. i don't think any major factor should be downplayed here.
We don't need to have a civics argument, but I believe you're aware that the original bill was sponsored by Dianne Feinstein, not the GOP. The GOP, having a majority in both the House and Senate, controls whether or not bills are brought to vote. They knew they had the votes to kill Feinstein's proposal and had zero will to craft any kind of rebuttal that would address their so-called concerns with the broad language.
Gun control is a obvious valid discussion . But, let's talk about the obvious motivation which is by far the biggest reason of this massacre.
It's plain obvious again the problem with Islamic scripture.
"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." He said: "O my Lord! help Thou me against people who do mischief!" When Our Messengers came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "We are indeed going to destroy the people of this township: for truly they are (addicted to) crime."
Qur'an 29:28"
Hadith
"Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
Abu Dawud 38:4447"
It's plain obvious again the problem with Islamic scripture.
"And (remember) Lut: behold, he said to his people: "Ye do commit lewdness, such as no people in Creation (ever) committed before you. "Do ye indeed approach men, and cut off the highway?- and practise wickedness (even) in your councils?" But his people gave no answer but this: they said: "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." He said: "O my Lord! help Thou me against people who do mischief!" When Our Messengers came to Abraham with the good news, they said: "We are indeed going to destroy the people of this township: for truly they are (addicted to) crime."
Qur'an 29:28"
Hadith
"Narated By Abdullah ibn Abbas : The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: If you find anyone doing as Lot's people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.
Abu Dawud 38:4447"
GoldenEye 007
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Rick Scott is also a blabbering piece of shit.
SirMossyBloke
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BBC are calling this the worst mass shooting in US history. Is this true? Sadly it seems too low of a death count.
SparkleMotion
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If that were the case, we'd still have slavery legal, women and non-whites wouldn't be allowed to vote and other things like that. They're called amendments because they can be amended. They're not iron clad and unshakeable.
Strider7
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You are correct, but good luck getting anyone here to listen and agree.
Mods /r/news are uncomfortable the story is associated with Islam and think they can stop islamaphobes by censorship which of course never helps on reddit.
jacob armitage
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You're implying something far more bigoted and hateful.
Over Newtown and Virginia Tech.
everyday math
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Oh fuck that mom on msnbc.
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Netherscourge
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So he's an American terrorist.
So, nothing of substance.
Sad to say, I'm starting to "hate" too.
Hate Christians, hate Muslims, hate homophobes, hate racists, hate anyone whose belief in dumb fairy tales, stupid ideologies and imaginary beings causes them to be a threat to other human beings. And I do mean hate. I can no longer imagine empathy for their dead bodies whether man woman or child. That is hate.
I'm tired of their dangerous delusions and I'm ashamed to have been raised in a "book" religion myself before coming to my senses. All of the architects of the homophobic order are responsible for this, not just the foot soldiers. Fuck guns. It's the people and the society. Nobody praises the pen for Shakespeare's Macbeth or the chisel for Michelangelo's David. Blaming the gun is a copout.
I'm not trying to troll, and I suppose I will calm down a little but I'm more angry than sad to have awoken to this. My mind's eye is conjuring up cheerful images of a razed church or mosque. I tell it not to be silly, but it is a seductive image. How many are as mad as I am but will not be able to restrain themselves? Rights have always been ransomed with blood.
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Hate Christians, hate Muslims, hate homophobes, hate racists, hate anyone whose belief in dumb fairy tales, stupid ideologies and imaginary beings causes them to be a threat to other human beings. And I do mean hate. I can no longer imagine empathy for their dead bodies whether man woman or child. That is hate.
I'm tired of their dangerous delusions and I'm ashamed to have been raised in a "book" religion myself before coming to my senses. All of the architects of the homophobic order are responsible for this, not just the foot soldiers. Fuck guns. It's the people and the society. Nobody praises the pen for Shakespeare's Macbeth or the chisel for Michelangelo's David. Blaming the gun is a copout.
I'm not trying to troll, and I suppose I will calm down a little but I'm more angry than sad to have awoken to this. My mind's eye is conjuring up cheerful images of a razed church or mosque. I tell it not to be silly, but it is a seductive image. How many are as mad as I am but will not be able to restrain themselves? Rights have always been ransomed with blood.
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Vire
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A religion of peace and love.
SparkleMotion
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I'd say that the biggest reason for this massacre is how easy it is for someone with these motivations to get their hand on something capable of quick mass killing.
Thanks for the well wishes. We just heard back from him and thank God he's safe. Turns out that he and some friends were indeed at the club earlier but left before the shooting. He's pretty shaken and trying to track down some friends that stayed behind. I'm praying that they turn up safe too.
DontBeThatGuy
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You know what doesn't stop mass shootings, a tragedy that occurs far more than it ever should, or gun violence/accidents/suicides in general? It's your post right here, that toxic mentality and the fact that our politicians are bought and paid for by people with that mentality, going as far as obstructing research on gun violence. It's cute you tried to obscure your agenda though.
Yes. I think we should, particularly if there are links to christian extremism in that hypothetical future attack.
edit - I mean the conversation part, not the nonsense about banning a whole group of people.
People are trying to talk about homophobia, the toxic American gun culture, mental illness, ISIS, Muslims, etc, but it is the two dominate thing in this thread are: a) grieving for the victims and b) you can't ban guns cause freedom.
You're guns are not going anywhere. The toxicity of AMERICAN culture sees to that- owning guns at all cost is more important lives. Deflecting gun murders onto mental health is a joke- AMERICANS don't care about mental health.
Heck, Americans don't even believe in freedom for anyone who is not a white Christian. How many AMERICAN are really going to cry over the deaths of LBGT victims? Instead, they are going to be frothing at the mouth to have another reason to hate those mooslim terrorist.
Everyone knows ISIS was formed in a vacuum, and has nothing to do with the complete breakdown American dictatorial peace with the invasion of Iraq.
Bur remember the important take away is to not ban guns and to push the blame onto other people/Muslims because America is mentally and cultural perfect. We have a wonderful track record of treating our own citizens,( black, Latino, Chinese, Japanese, German, LBGT, women, etc.), perfectly, so let talk about those real toxic troublemakers that aren't us. Everyone knows you can't be a real AMERICA if your Muslim.
Yes, it is that simple. No one is arguing that preventing individuals on the terrorist watch list from purchasig guns, or an assault weapons ban, is going to end shootings in this country.
But it very well may have prevented this one. Should we do nothing because this provision doesn't end all gun violence?
jack_package_200
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Fuck.
We can throw toxic masculinity into the discussion as well.
Fuck this fucking piece of shit.
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