Mass shooting at Orlando gay nightclub [50 dead, 53 injured]
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everyday math
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Reposting for new page. Cause I'm a poor 50ppp user lol.
Please be safe if you're going to these events.
http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html
Please be safe if you're going to these events.
Dark Cloud
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So, what's the point of a terrorist list?
When trump is a leading candidate it really shouldn't be. He preys on these emotions
Like I said, I'm all for it. I just ponder how effective it would be and whether I would put that at the forefront of any reform?
What in the FUCK. I just woke up to this, Facebook feed had gone off like crazy cause I used to live in Orlando. Saw mentions of a shooting so I quickly turned on the TV expecting the worst, and it was somehow even worse. 50 dead?!
I'm seriously starting to feel like I'm entering a mass shooting lottery every day, and every day there's the chance my unlucky number will be drawn. This shit is out of hand and I can't even describe how helpless it feels to know that absolutely nothing will change. I don't fucking care what changes are made, but anything would be better than doing fucking nothing, at least there'd be a possibility of reducing the number of this fucking crap from happening. But some god damn how, fucking zero will be done.
I'm seriously starting to feel like I'm entering a mass shooting lottery every day, and every day there's the chance my unlucky number will be drawn. This shit is out of hand and I can't even describe how helpless it feels to know that absolutely nothing will change. I don't fucking care what changes are made, but anything would be better than doing fucking nothing, at least there'd be a possibility of reducing the number of this fucking crap from happening. But some god damn how, fucking zero will be done.
Abinash117
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People blaming solely on Islam are fools and short-sighted. If he was radicalized then blame the people who did it, they are the the ones that are brainwashing individuals. Even if it was solely on Islam, what should be the solution ban the religion, profile and ban ethnic groups that are most likely to be Muslims? If this is what ISIS did this is what they want some of you people are foolish to fall for it. Beating radicalization is a tough issue that is best left to the professionals, what we can do is don't succumb to anger.
Shake Appeal
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If you throw a stone in most parts of the United States, you will find a devout person who is "against gays." Most of them go to church on Sundays, not a mosque. None of them have their citizenship called into question.
Alright, lets calm down for a moment and look at facts.
What is the majority religion in Afghanistan?
What does polls/laws tells us about support for LBGT rights in muslim countries?
Now take a deep breath again and reconsider what you just said.
I'm not calling citizenship into question, I just think it's too simple to say "he's American" as if he's completely sheltered from the ideology and beliefs of his parents.
His parents might not be muslim, they might not have anything against gays, but chances are they do have both.
Terrorist lists have no real due process. You can't take away rights merely on suspicion, so of course he was able to own guns. There was a bill that would change that but the GOP and NRA blocked it. That bill becoming law likely would have been knocked down anyway, because, as I said you can't take away rights on suspicion.
Our county needs a fundamental change in the way we see guns. They shouldn't be a right. Guns as a right is fucking nonsense and wasn't actually there in the constitution. Scalia and a few others wiped their ass with history and called it a day, but unfortunately that interpretation is what the majority of Americans seem to believe and hold as their own opinion anyway.
Fun ownership should be a privilege to very very few. It should be highly regulated and monitored throughout.
Yes, we need to talk about terrorists, but statistically they're a small part of mass shootings. Religion is not the lowest common denominator for tragedies at home. Free access of weapons and ammunition is common to all mass shootings.
This. People on terror watchlists can still go buy guns. Democrats wanted to stop that, but Republicans said no.
Seems like that probably got more people killed, you can't hide for 4 hours.
I know in active shooter situations at schools and things the cops rush in as fast as they can, they don't wait because giving more time just leads to more deaths.
I don't get the people who are angry about prayers being given to victims and their families. You do realize that not all Christians/Catholics are hate filled homophobes, just as not all Muslims are radials hell bent on committing mass murder.
Many Christians turn to prayer in light of tragedy. It bothers me that the fact that I've been praying today for the victims, families and everybody else who been affected by this awful event is somehow offensive and not ok according to some people here.
Many Christians turn to prayer in light of tragedy. It bothers me that the fact that I've been praying today for the victims, families and everybody else who been affected by this awful event is somehow offensive and not ok according to some people here.
hemo memo
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Yeah yeah remember college students in Santa Barbar? high schoolers at Columbin? first graders in Newtow? All muslim and gun control is not the prime reason. Please before you cherry pick copy and paste something learn more about it and see how many people living in muslim countries in peace.
Are you fucking serious?
Nothing personal about that statement. It's just a statement of fact. At least you acknowledge it.
MagicWithEarvin
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I woke up and this thread blew up....
This is extremely sad and I'm even more sad that this will change nothing in U.S. Nothing will.
This is extremely sad and I'm even more sad that this will change nothing in U.S. Nothing will.
The Technomancer
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I also don't like religion and I think a lot about it needs to change. But I also don't think generalization is okay.
And using a terrible event like this to accuse a whole set of people of being terrible isn't okay.
Also, there are gay Muslims too.
brettski2024
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That's crazy. The dude killed people. He is the problem. It's only reasonable to blame him. Anything else is crazy
No man. If you think that religion and hatred towards homosexuals are linked in any way, you must be a racist shitlord.
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Yoda
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Islamophobia is bad. That being said, the lack of a public discourse about the problem of violent fundamentalism (which is near non-existent in other Jesuit religions by comparison) is also a problem. Those who purport far-right interpretations of the religion can hide behind a persecution complex when their barbaric preaching are confronted (stoning women to death for adultery... as practiced by Islamic theocracies such as Saudi Arabia). If these ideas don't face real pressure, they'll never change or fade from society; and as evident by the evil done by ISIS; we need to defeat the ideas, not just those willing to blow themselves up.
I don't know about you, but my parents told me a lot of things, and heard them talk about a lot of things growing up.
Audioboxer
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I think the anger more so gets directed at those in the political sphere who do nothing to discuss gun control but just say to pray. Not caring individuals like yourself.
BarringGaffner
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wait.. what?
There is nothing inherently violent because... most muslims ignore those verses?
What a ridiculous post.
Dubbedinenglish
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"Mexicans don't like Trump so Americans of Mexican descent cannot be partial to Trump."
It's something a white supremacist would bring up.
Alligatorjandro
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Mass shootings in America only have one thing in common.
Guns.
Guns.
everyday math
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If this doesn't upset you...man
Coming across as condescending or writing in a condescending way towards posters that disagree with you doesn't help.
Very informative. Thanks for posting this.
Already Torn
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Well, you could certainly argue that the people who blocked legislation that would have kept him from getting his hands on the rifle have blood in their hands.
InfiniteBento
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Thanks for sharing, where can I get more of this?
Holy shit at some of the replies. People talking about razing churches. Hey remember when those 9 African Americans died at the church? Don't worry they were just Christians, that evens out the racism right?
Like what the fuck is going on? We really gonna give in to hate now? Holy shit this whole thread is a disgrace to the people who have just died.
Like what the fuck is going on? We really gonna give in to hate now? Holy shit this whole thread is a disgrace to the people who have just died.
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Frozenprince
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http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html
IT'S NOT JUST GUNS.
GUNS ARE A PART OF IT. IT'S A NUANCED ISSUE.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST GAF
IT'S NOT JUST GUNS.
GUNS ARE A PART OF IT. IT'S A NUANCED ISSUE.
JESUS FUCKING CHRIST GAF
Clearly the logical response is too blame Muslims. Clearly.
People need to face the facts on this.
I'm not accusing anyone. But it's pretty hard to deny that justification for these acts can be found in the holy books. We need to stop ignoring this and accept this fact. Only then people can really discuss and try to change things.
No, sorry, if you're a part of a militant Islamist group, or affiliated with them in any way, you probably shouldn't own a gun.
Most Americans would agree with that.
Big Baybee
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So the person didn't succeed because it was a much harder way of killing a lot of people?
Any excuse not to talk about the elephant in the room. He shouldn't have had access to those guns or that ammo. What the hell was he doing with military grade ammo in the first place? As if wanting that gun with that ammo wasn't a sign that he shouldn't have either. The issue is we make it too goddamn easy for people to do shit like this and refuse to make it any harder because we won't have a real talk about it.
"Since January 1"
With that many shootings, I figured it would be longer.
Fucking hell, you guys have a major gun problem.
old manatee
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It seems like it would take forever to shoot that many people. Were the police standing outside listening to gunshots, or did it take so long to respond that the worst was already over? Or am I wrong and it really did only take him a few minutes to do it after holding them for hours? I can't even understand how it was possible for 1 guy to have free reign for 3 hours and end up killing or injuring 100 people. It just doesn't seem possible to me. A SWAT team can't take down 1 guy with a gun in 3 hours?
Booker Dewitt
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Jesus fuck at that UCF release. Almost lost it reading it.
It's like a shock of cold water waking up and hearing this story after being in Boston for the Pride festivities, that despite all those who are accepting and tolerant there are still those who hate to the point of violence.
While I doubt that anything can be done to change the minds of those willing to commit mass murder out of hate, I think change in laws are long over due to stop this. Though with congress the way it is, that seems almost as insurmountable as changing the minds of radicals. At some point they need to see the state the country is and where it is going and realize, nothing is not a solution, but at this point it seems best just to hope for a democrat-led congress next year.
As depressed as this story is making me, I still think about how accepting the majority is in America, thinking of all those in Boston and around the country celebrating Pride, and those hundreds willing to give blood to the victims. No matter how much you lose faith in humanity through the act of one hateful person, there is still hope.
RIP to all those that died and I hope all those injured recover.
While I doubt that anything can be done to change the minds of those willing to commit mass murder out of hate, I think change in laws are long over due to stop this. Though with congress the way it is, that seems almost as insurmountable as changing the minds of radicals. At some point they need to see the state the country is and where it is going and realize, nothing is not a solution, but at this point it seems best just to hope for a democrat-led congress next year.
As depressed as this story is making me, I still think about how accepting the majority is in America, thinking of all those in Boston and around the country celebrating Pride, and those hundreds willing to give blood to the victims. No matter how much you lose faith in humanity through the act of one hateful person, there is still hope.
RIP to all those that died and I hope all those injured recover.
jacob armitage
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I'm trying to find the article at the moment as i can't remember the statistic but far, far more deaths are attributed to Christian right wing extremists on American ground than Muslim extremists. There was even a government group tasked for monitoring them that George Bush completely shut down, except for one person.
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