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[Theanine3D]

This is insane and tragic. I wish something was finally done about gun control.

And I'm not surprised to see people and the media already blaming this by default on Islamic extremism, even though homophobia is already quite alive and rampant in the U.S. across all races and religions, without ISIS's help. Take a good hard look in the mirror, America.

Most of the people who have been homophobic to me in the past were either Christian, white, or both. And I've lived in one of the most liberal states in the country my whole life - California.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I don't see what gun control legislation accomplishes. Won't people who want to do bad things to other people find a way to get guns? Illegal or not?

Why make it easier?

Full background check, limited magazine size, waiting period, etc. All this can be done, and there is massive support for it.

 

[greatgeek]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

Bigotry.

 

[Fushichou187]

Given that LA Times story about intercepting someone on the way to their Pride event, it'll be interesting to see how SF changes its security setup for the grandaddy of all Pride celebrations in two weeks. The parade aside, the large parties traditionally taking place down around city hall are just a mass of humanity that's nearly impossible to lock down to cover sufficiently.

 

[Socreges]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

That's why it's being posted. Many people are responding to this attack as if prevention of such incidents means focusing on Muslims, rather than focusing on gun control.

 

[hobblygobbly]

Breaking News tweeted this out: https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/742041568069193728

 

[Jharp]

This is a pretty good thread on askreddit where a few dozen people tell their stories of killing in self defense. Quite a few of them involve guns, including a teenage kid who was hunting near the border and attacked by crossing illegals:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/...us_redditors_who_have_killed_in_self_defense/

Gun control is necessary, gun bans aren't.

 

[Scrooged]

I'm for due process, I'm just wanting minimal gun control regulations.

If you're for limiting constitutional rights based on a government watch list, you're against due process.

 

[Netherscourge]

Texas politician (Lt. Governor) tweets, "You reap what you sew."

http://www.cnet.com/news/texas-poli...-twitter/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=25465618

Tweet has since been removed.

 

[Chiggs]

Might be time for regulations on this damn thread, cuz a lot of shots are being fired right now

Yeah, it's basically a license to take shots at whatever party or group you don't like. Speaks volumes about the mental well-being of some of GAF's posters.

I'm out.

 

[Already Torn]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

Because Donald Trump just tweeted out about how we're gonna solve this issue by banning Muslims from America.

 

[Syder]

I'm sure his parents didn't at all influence him in any way what so ever.
Not saying his parents are would be terrorists, but there's statistically a good chance that his parents are against gays and are devout Muslims.

What difference does this make? All of the major religions of the world preach against homosexuality.

Growing up in a Catholic Irish family in England I had my fair share of homosexual, racist and otherwise discriminatory rhetoric blasted at me. I'd bet many people who have a family where religion is present have experienced an adult giving out ridiculous dogma.

 

[jonjonaug]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

That's the point.

 

[kingslunk]

Mass shootings in America only have one thing in common.

Guns.

Mental Health?

 

[B-Dubs]

I think the idea is to try and put literally any hurdle at all in front of a homophobe who wants to murder 100 people.

Here's the map from the NYTimes showing where illegal guns come from.

Stricter gun laws would have a big effect on the supply of illegal guns, but no one wants to admit that since it means we'd have to do something about it.

 

[hemo memo]

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I don't see what gun control legislation accomplishes. Won't people who want to do bad things to other people find a way to get guns? Illegal or not?

So you should never do anything?

 

[Jeels]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

And from that map it looks like they make up less than 1% of the shootings. What he's trying to show you is there is no correlation. Targeting Muslims doesn't fix US shooting problems.

 

[kiguel182]

I'm not accusing anyone. But it's pretty hard to deny that justification for these acts can be found in the holy books. We need to stop ignoring this and accept this fact. Only then people can really discuss and try to change things.

I agree with you to a point. I do believe that religion has bred homophobia and teaches a ton of people extremely outdated concepts that are dangerous and harmful.

But, we are discussing that in the context of a crazy many that killed 50 people. According to his wife he wasn't religious.

Implying that religious people are more inclined to commit mass murderer is something I cannot condone. As I cannot condone saying that every Muslim or Christian is homophobe.

I think, in this case, there are other issues at hand that relate to this more.

 

[AgentOtaku]

I'm in the military, been deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan during 08 and 12 and I'm more scared that I'll get shot by some crazy person with a gun in the states.

Same here

Deployed to Afghanistan in '11

 

[The Artisan]

It matters because it's a completely ignorant thing to start saying, even if this news topic dealt with homophobia encouraged by Islam which it doesn't.

the man who did this bragged about being part of terrorism groups in the past. are you saying there was no radical islamic influence that triggered him?

Nothing personal about that statement. It's just a statement of fact. At least you acknowledge it.

i'm not saying it isn't a problem. the only thing i can say for myself is that i'm not knowledgable enough on the topic to take a side. but it is a problem that needs dealing with.

there are those who say gun control laws should be left alone. what would you say to them?

 

[Jonm1010]

I really wish the snark would stop. It doesn't make anyone look cool.

It was a piece of shit post and doesn't deserve anything but snark dismissal.

If you want more thought out posts go find some of my other posts in this thread.

 

[2MF]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

And would it look different if it was showing only cases of terrorism, as opposed to including robberies etc?

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

If you're for limiting constitutional rights based on a government watch list, you're against due process.

Good thing I haven't said that then, still for due process.

Mental Health?

Lol, classic.

 

[Ferny]

I live 10 minutes from this club. This was a surreal thing to wake up to.

 

[oti]

The way US lawmakers handle the gun problem is pathetic and downright embarrassing.
Screw the second amendment. It's time to grow up.

 

[Already Torn]

the man who did this bragged about being part of terrorism groups in the past. are you saying there was no radical islamic influence that triggered him?
i'm not saying it is a problem. the only thing i can say for myself is that i'm not knowledgable enough on the topic to take a side. but it is a problem that needs dealing with.

there are those who say gun control laws should be left alone. what would you say to them?

You know dude, I really really doubt it. And even if it did, it's still completely ridiculous to point at LGBT groups speaking out against Islamophobia and saying "bet you feel stupid now".

 

[Alavard]

I don't see what gun control legislation accomplishes. Won't people who want to do bad things to other people find a way to get guns? Illegal or not?

So you're for legalizing bombs?

 

[Baki]

RIP =(

Hopefully one day something can be done to crack down on mass shootings.

 

[Disxo]

And would it look different if it was showing only cases of terrorism, as opposed to including robberies etc?

Those bubbles on the map are mass shootings tho.
Don't think a terrorist act escapes that denomination.

 

[Big Brett]

Mental Health?

One man's mental health issues are another man's religious heroic act.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

Texas politician (Lt. Governor) tweets, "You reap what you sew."

http://www.cnet.com/news/texas-poli...-twitter/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=25465618

Tweet has since been removed.

this guy can get fucked.

 

[Alanood]

Mental Health?

following religion's doctrine?

 

[Scrooged]

That's why it's being posted. Many people are responding to this attack as if prevention of such incidents means focusing on Muslims, rather than focusing on gun control.

Islamism is a world wide issue, and when they attack it can be particularly deadly. This is the worst mass shooting in US history. The attack in Paris was the worst in their history. 9/11 was the worst terrorist attack in US history. Etc, etc.

Make no mistake, these people are trying to wipe out as many people as they can. You can compare that to individual shooting incidents if you want, but when there is an extremely toxic and cancerous ideology behind an attack like this, it's in another league.

 

[mreddie]

ABC News: "What about copycats?"

No one told them about LA?

Also,

OneBlood
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All FDA guidelines remain in effect for blood donation. There are false reports circulating that FDA rules were being lifted. Not true.

 

[JABEE]

These events as a whole are outliers. Sad outliers. The shooting that happen every day in every major city across this country are depressing. Mass shootings just hammer home this point and fall outside the routine killings that people notice them over the routine killings that happen throughout this country.

In New Jersey, we have Trenton, Camden, Newark. Cities where poverty is so bad and the division of wealth is so horrible that these towns become bankrupt punchlines. Detroit is a punchline.

There are so many issues that impact violence and the proliferation of guns only amplifies the overall damage that is done.

 

[brettski2024]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

 

[Ponn]

This is a pretty good thread on askreddit where a few dozen people tell their stories of killing in self defense. Quite a few of them involve guns, including a teenage kid who was hunting near the border and attacked by crossing illegals:
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/...us_redditors_who_have_killed_in_self_defense/

Gun control is necessary, gun bans aren't.

Hunting near the border and killed some illegals that just happened to be crossing at the time? Ahuh. He was hunting all right, thats fucking disgusting.

 

[Corporal Hicks]

Just wanted to remind everyone, to keep a cool head in this discussion. Let us not post to harshly with our emotions. If need be, take a minute before responding.

Let us hope for the families of lost ones that they stay strong. Rip to the fallen.

 

[Square2015]

HE IS AMERICAN. BORN IN AMERICA. AND HE BOUGHT THOSE GUNS LEGALLY. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHERE HIS PARENTS WERE FROM.

You don't think the fact that his parents were from a country and shared an ideology where gays are outlawed is not a factor? If his parents were from, say, Thailand, would this be just as likely to happen?

 

[hwy_61]

So you should never do anything?

I'm saying the government has to come up with something that doesn't unfairly penalize law abiding gun owners. I have a friend who has a goddamn arsenal in his possession. Dude just loves shooting guns! I don't get it, but I respect his hobby.

 

[trembli0s]

Breaking News tweeted this out: https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/742041568069193728

Lovely

 

[ParChor]

Which Muslim country is the most LGBT-friendly, or at least on par with European and North American countries?

 

[kiguel182]

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

IT'S NOT JUST GUNS.

GUNS ARE A PART OF IT. IT'S A NUANCED ISSUE.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST GAF

I know homophobia played a large role in this but gun control is the reason it happened. Unfortunetly there is homophobia everywhere and it's a big issue in most countries.

but in the US an homophobe can get a gun and shoot down people way more easily than in other countries. That's why people are focusing on that.

At the same time we need to keep in mind that this was an hate act and that homophobia is real and should be taken care off. Hopefully nobody is forgetting that.

 

[Already Torn]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

This is a really disappointing post.

You don't think the fact that his parents were from a country and shared an ideology where gays are outlawed is not a factor? If his parents were from, say, Thailand, would this be just as likely to happen?

Probably would have been as likely if his parents were from Georgia.

 

[Lead]

What difference does this make? All of the major religions of the world preach against homosexuality.

Growing up in a Catholic Irish family in England I had my fair share of homosexual, racist and otherwise discriminatory rhetoric blasted at me. I'd bet many people who have a family where religion is present have experienced an adult giving out ridiculous dogma.

I agree, and I'm not saying anything to the contrary.

 

[norm9]

Pledging allegiance to ISIS. Fucking asshole.

 

[B-Dubs]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

Anything not to talk about the elephant in the room huh? You think he's able to do this without easy access to guns?

 

[ColdPizza]

We don't need to have a civics argument, but I believe you're aware that the original bill was sponsored by Dianne Feinstein, not the GOP. The GOP, having a majority in both the House and Senate, controls whether or not bills are brought to vote. They knew they had the votes to kill Feinstein's proposal and had zero will to craft any kind of rebuttal that would address their so-called concerns with the broad language.

I'm just pointing out the bill was rejected for valid reasons while you want to blame the GOP for everyone's troubles.

 

[Jonm1010]

the man who did this bragged about being part of terrorism groups in the past. are you saying there was no radical islamic influence that triggered him?
i'm not saying it is a problem. the only thing i can say for myself is that i'm not knowledgable enough on the topic to take a side. but it is a problem that needs dealing with.

there are those who say gun control laws should be left alone. what would you say to them?

I would say to them what I have said in all threads, the evidence is not on your side.

I can respect what you are saying though. Taking a position without being informed enough is also not very wise. I guess I have been a bit jaded from my conversations on here where typically that type of talk is code for not really being sincere and only saying they refuse to take a side because in reality no evidence will actually sway them. Which just means they are really for the status quo but want to play semantics games for perception sake to appear even handed.