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[SwolBro]

50 people dead and the movement continues. you can say a religion isn't responsible, a person is and that's fine but how long are we going to deny reality?

this is a movement. there is no question about it. the only way to fight this is to fight the idealism itself.

 

[Doominated]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

And they make up 22% of the worlds population.

Not all mass shootings in the US are done by US citizens.

 

[Vilix]

Texas politician (Lt. Governor) tweets, "You reap what you sew."

http://www.cnet.com/news/texas-poli...-twitter/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=25465618

Tweet has since been removed.

The hell does that even mean?

 

[WedgeX]

Just awful.

 

[brettski2024]

So you're for legalizing bombs?

bombs aren't legal in Iraq but guess what, terrorists make them all the time

 

[Kimawolf]

Yeah, it's basically a license to take shots at whatever party or group you don't like. Speaks volumes about the mental well-being of some of GAF's posters.

I'm out.

yeah there are guys talking about razing churches to the ground. that's some crazy shit, and being minority it conjures up far too many memories of chruches being burned. People should REALLY think before they post such hateful stuff.

We need better gun regulation. in america there are so many guns out there now even if you banned them it'd not mean anything, and this will only make people want more conceal carry stuff.

Crazy people or people with any kind of diagnosed mental issue (from depression to the most serious) and people associated with terrorist groups or on terrorist watchlists shouldn't have guns, not sure why thats even still a thing tbh.

Hopefully the people wounded survive and the people murdered find peace in the next life.

 

[Officerrob]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

Ah cool, so gang and family shootings shouldn't matter...

 

[BarringGaffner]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

ughh no actually, he may not have got a gun if we had stricter gun laws. What a ridiculous thing to say.

 

[Ric Flair]

I hate that IS can claim responsibility for some Fucktard deciding to shoot up a club

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Guys, we cannot stop him, so lets make it easier for him to get a gun. Criminals are going to break laws, they are criminals. So no reason to make it harder to get guns, all it is going to do is stop good guys from getting guns. Classic.

 

[Zapages]

You do realise muslims are less than 1% of the population? Why would anyone expect anything else than what this graph shows?

but the GOP and folks here narrative is Muslims = evil and its that problem and not a Gun problem.

@Beast, I don't know you experience and all the nit pick of quotes here there... All religious texts have things that are not followed...

As a whole, religion teaches us to respect others and be good human beings. Now a days, as society has progressed. Those teachings have not become part of common society, but back then it was not the case.

Some social experiments Quran and the Bible: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=riDlxCvFZWw and Deleted scenes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIIbGzIfLcQ&feature=youtu.be

 

[kess]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

You're the last person on earth who ought to have a martyr complex about this.

 

[beast786]

Yeah yeah remember college students in Santa Barbar? high schoolers at Columbin? first graders in Newtow? All muslim and gun control is not the prime reason. Please before you cherry pick copy and paste something learn more about it and see how many people living in muslim countries in peace.

This is incredible. Hey look others do it so it can't be an Islamic problem.

So now possible biggest mass shooting is done purely base on ideology backed up by its scripture .

There are 10 countries way by law homosexuality is punishable by death. Guess what? All are majority Muslim countries.

This attitude of trying to kill a conversation challenging an ideology and scripture that is 1400 years old of archaic social structure baffles me.

And this bullshit excuse of cherry picking... Really wtf, what did I cherry pick ? It literally says that about homosexuality that argument is so weak and says nothing to rebuttal this illustrates

http://youtu.be/PK7P7uZFf5o

 

[kingslunk]

following religion's doctrine?

I was talking about the response to the map. This specific shooting is influenced by religious doctrine.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I'm saying the government has to come up with something that doesn't unfairly penalize law abiding gun owners. I have a friend who has a goddamn arsenal in his possession. Dude just loves shooting guns! I don't get it, but I respect his hobby.

I never said take guns away. I said this dude was on a "terrorist watch" list or something like that. Rules should be changed that if you're on one of these lists then you should not be obtaining or in the possession of a gun.

 

[Lead]

So you're for legalizing bombs?

Explosives are not defacto banned, a lot of states have limitations on how much you can currently posses. But there's plenty of civilians that use explosives to remove tree stumps or other things, and they do that legally.

 

[Abinash117]

He's making a statistical argument. I agree with him. I don't think the correlation is between Islam and hatred of homosexuals, I think it's between developing countries and hatred of homosexuals. That just makes a lot more sense, especially with some of the maps posted before (where Nigeria, for instance, homosexuality is illegal but less than 50% Muslim). It's probably a reasonable thing to expect that someone who has parents raised in a place like Afghanistan are likely to share their cultural values.

Not drawing any conclusions or blaming anyone here. Just saying that it's a reasonable post to make and a gentle reminder that multiculturalism is hard and will always have road bumps.

A lot of people are like that that doesn't even have heritage in Asia. It is a point to make, but a disingenuous one because most people that have hatred or just a dislike against a group don't commit these crimes. If it was radicalization that drove him it makes him no different from radicals of Dylan Roof or Breivik .

 

[Jobbs]

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

IT'S NOT JUST GUNS.

GUNS ARE A PART OF IT. IT'S A NUANCED ISSUE.

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST GAF

Yeah, it's not guns. That's why there are mass shootings all over europe every year

 

[Vire]

Just wanted to remind everyone, to keep a cool head in this discussion. Let us not post to harshly with our emotions. If need be, take a minute before responding.

Let us hope for the families of lost ones that they stay strong. Rip to the fallen.

The anger comes from a place of love believe it or not. People are growing increasingly tired of these senseless and hateful crimes on innocent people.

Every single person in this thread is upset and cares for those who lost their lives last night.

Really just so upset over this all.

 

[tearsintherain]

ex-wife of killer says he beat her, she divorced him months after marriage
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...1963b4-30b8-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

 

[Alucrid]

The hell does that even mean?

victim blaming at its finest

 

[Shake Appeal]

Ah cool, so gang and family shootings shouldn't matter...

Well, "gang" is code, you know.

 

[Henkka]

And from that map it looks like they make up less than 1% of the shootings. What he's trying to show you is there is no correlation. Targeting Muslims doesn't fix US shooting problems.

Of all shootings, obviously that is true. But modern terrorist incidents?

You can count for yourself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_...iolent_events_by_death_toll#Terrorist_attacks

 

[Kathian]

The hell does that even mean?

He was being vulgar with the sowing.

 

[Ric Flair]

bombs aren't legal in Iraq but guess what, terrorists make them all the time

Are you comparing the infrastructure of the Iraq government to the US government? Do you really think Iraq can police the laws they establish as well as the US can?

 

[Drackhorn]

I agree with you to a point. I do believe that religion has bred homophobia and teaches a ton of people extremely outdated concepts that are dangerous and harmful.

But, we are discussing that in the context of a crazy many that killed 50 people. According to his wife he wasn't religious.

Implying that religious people are more inclined to commit mass murderer is something I cannot condone. As I cannot condone saying that every Muslim or Christian is homophobe.

I think, in this case, there are other issues at hand that relate to this more.

Like someone else said there is something impossible in 'love the sinner, hate the sin' that religion dictates. It's because we're human. Herein lies the problem and here should be the discussion be about and it has been avoided way too long in my view. I also worry about guns in the US but in the end guns don't fire guns, people do.

 

[Nelo Ice]

Reposting for new page. Cause I'm a poor 50ppp user lol.

http://www.latimes.com/la-me-ln-gay-pride-la-weapons-20160612-snap-story.html

Please be safe if you're going to these events.

So can we please take action and do something?. Would be nice if we could take action and vote in people that want to enact some gun control. I'm getting tired of reading about people dying. 2 recent tragedies in Orlando and LA could have been another like wtf?!.

 

[Alavard]

bombs aren't legal in Iraq but guess what, terrorists make them all the time

So I guess America might as well legalize them too? Like, what are you actually trying to say here?

 

[Dreams-Visions]

You don't think the fact that his parents were from a country and shared an ideology where gays are outlawed is not a factor? If his parents were from, say, Thailand, would this be just as likely to happen?

With respect, we have thousands upon thousands of immigrants from parts of the world where homosexuality is villainized and they don't find themselves shooting up clubs, nor do their children.

To suggest otherwise seems embryotic.

 

[hwy_61]

I never said take guns away. I said this dude was on a "terrorist watch" list or something like that. Rules should be changed that if you're on one of these lists then you should not be obtaining or in the possession of a gun.

I never said you said that! There are a lot of people who are though. And it would totally fuck over people like my friend. And that ain't right man.

 

[N° 2048]

There has been no claim of responsibility for the attack on jihadi forums, but ISIS sympathizers have reacted by praising the attack on pro-Islamic State forums.

What the fuck? I honestly would be interested in seeing these forums and what they talk bout.

Crazy. Shit.

Does the FBI monitor these forums?

 

[TheJollyCorner]

My thoughts and prayers go out to those impacted by this.

 

[Dark Cloud]

I don't get how someone goes from being non religious to believing that dumb horrific shit ISIS spews.

 

[SURGEdude]

GAF has lost its mind today. Sounds like too many people are sticking their heads in the sand to not be called haters.

Christians are not the problem and guns did not pull their own trigger. This was a radicalized mofo.

This was a messed up dude who would kill any way he could. If we had tougher gun laws it would not have stopped him. Thinking as much is crazy. He still would have got a gun.

Also that graph going around the thread is misleading as I'd bet most if those other shootings were either gang or family related. Clearly not on this magnitude.

Sad day indeed. Let's at least understand who is really to blame.

I largely agree with you. But to say access to guns has no relevance is wrong. There's a reason we are the mass shooting capital of the western world.

 

[Azalean]

Texas politician (Lt. Governor) tweets, "You reap what you sew."

http://www.cnet.com/news/texas-poli...-twitter/?ftag=COS-05-10aaa0b&linkId=25465618

Tweet has since been removed.

Eh, hacked maybe? Or maybe I have to much faith in people...

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Are you comparing the infrastructure of the Iraq government to the US government? Do you really think Iraq can police the laws they establish as well as the US can?

I would be willing to bet it is easier to get a gun in Texas than Iraq.

So I guess America might as well legalize them too? Like, what are you actually trying to say here?

He is giving the classic, criminals break laws so stricter gun control won't work.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

You don't think the fact that his parents were from a country and shared an ideology where gays are outlawed is not a factor? If his parents were from, say, Thailand, would this be just as likely to happen?

You must literally know nothing about Thailand.

 

[Lashley]

Thoughts and prayers go out to those affected, as well as they're families.

 

[ThisGuy]

"Mexicans don't like Trump so Americans of Mexican descent cannot be partial to Trump."


It's something a white supremacist would bring up.

I really don't like how you're implying that logic is white logic. Plenty of people who aren't white question Islam and would follow with that kind of thinking you're seeing.

Regards to leads post, not your Trump example.

 

[Majine]

Obama statement in 4 minutes.

 

[Abstrusity]

Totally agree.

I despise the NRA, even as an owner of an AR 15. They are scum that make us look bad.

I also despise cosmetic-based restrictions. I joke that if I put the traditional hunting rifle "Wooden" look on my AR 15, people would think it was less dangerous. Hell, even paint.

People seem to think this

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/AR15_A3_Tactical_Carbine_pic1.jpg


Is more dangerous than this

https://s3.amazonaws.com/mgm-conten.../06/05/423608_01_remington_ar_15_camo_640.jpg


Based on only looks.

But at the same time, we (as gun owners) need to do more to prove that we should be allowed to own such weapons. That means not freaking out whenever reasonable gun regulation proposals arise like the NRA does.

Exactly. But it's hard to get some people to see reason after something like this. One side is going to rail against the heavens trying to get guns banned, the other side is going to go buy more guns and fear monger some more to ensure nothing happens. It's not going to get fixed until we can keep both sides at bay and have an honest discussion about it, but we'd also need politicians like that, too. Frankly, the GOP hasn't been one to play ball over the last 8 years...with anything.

 

[_Nemo]

Obama statement in 4 minutes.

link please?

 

[Alavard]

Explosives are not defacto banned, a lot of states have limitations on how much you can currently posses. But there's plenty of civilians that use explosives to remove tree stumps or other things, and they do that legally.

You know what kind of bombs I'm talking about. Don't be obtuse.

 

[Jobbs]

Obama statement in 4 minutes.

does anyone have a link to a stream where this can be seen

 

[Lord Morairty007]

I don't know what to say. I live 5 minutes away from the city. I'm also a security guard for the Amway Center and Citrus Bowl. This is going to change everything at work. RIP to all the victims. This guy is also a security guard. Wow

 

[megalowho]

I'm just pointing out the bill was rejected for valid reasons while you want to blame the GOP for everyone's troubles.

And my point is, so long as a majority of representatives are bought and paid for by the NRA, there will never be a valid reason to propose, support or pass gun control reform in any capacity. There will always be an excuse, we've seen it play out time and time again.

 

[Majine]

link please?

https://youtu.be/7wCQDVdPq3I

 

[old manatee]

I don't know why I still let some of these responses surprise me after Sandy Hook.

 

[D4Danger]

does anyone have a link to a stream where this can be seen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wCQDVdPq3I

 

[Shake Appeal]

Does the FBI monitor these forums?

Of course.