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[Honey Bunny]

Why?

You can't eradicate a problem without first identifying it. This is true of both gun violence and radical Islam.

One of these problems affects the US far more than the other, but radical Islamism is not something we can ignore worldwide.

 

[King Tubby]

I don't see how really. Shootings like this really common in the USA do people even really care about them any more?

This is the worst mass shooting in American history, in addition to being a hate crime perpetrated against homosexuals by a Muslim claiming ties to ISIS. I'm gonna say people care.

 

[Morrigan Stark]

Most won't care about that. Hell, plenty of people on my FB feed are calling for Trump to be President and to ban Muslims from entering the country and to police their neighborhoods.

Which is beyond stupid as this guy was born in New York. Sigh.

 

[Platy]

Jesus Christ, so sad.

What was it? Terrorist attack or just homophobic cunts?

A Terrorist attack with homophobic reasons.

 

[Lead]

Jesus.

I'm not going to apologize for that position. I've been hunting and shooting recreationally for almost 20 years now.

 

[Big Baybee]

But by most accounts, this is an act of terror that IS linked to radical Islamic ideology. Why not be specific in calling it what it is?

Do you remember what it was like for Muslims after 9/11, or people who even "looked" Muslim? That's what he is trying to avoid.

 

[SparkleMotion]

Why are people so against something as simple as stronger checks for buying a gun? It wouldn't stop rational, law abiding citizens from buying guns. Even though those types can and will still commit atrocities, it might stop some. Why the fervent outrage?

 

[TyrantII]

Stewart Moore ‏@Stewartmoore 16s16 seconds ago
Both guns were purchased legally by the shooter in the last few days. - ATF

Orlando Police ‏@OrlandoPolice 10s11 seconds ago Orlando, FL
ATF: The gunman legally purchased the firearms within the last week. In Florida.

And there it is

 

[Zomba13]

LEGALLY PURCHASED

Obviously there isn't a gun problem then! He didn't break any laws getting his guns! He was a good, responsible gun owner who went through the proper channels to get his god given right.

 

[Jombie]

This asshole was questioned three times by the FBI and was still able to buy weapons.

 

[LordRaptor]

And here we go:

Obama was literally driven to tears on live TV at his frustration at the inability to get some form of gun control enacted, despite having the popular sentiment and despite the reams of statistics literally saying "DO THIS AND LESS PEOPLE WILL DIE".

Because one specific industry outspends any other on lobbying to keep their profits flowing.

It's really not Obama that people should be demanding resign.

 

[everyday math]

There's a gun problem, sure. But the ideology caused this massacre. Why can't we stop downplaying it? We are in a war against Islamic terrorism and guns. He needs to address both instead of just the latter.

He did lol. Did I watch a different speech?

 

[Oriel]

For what it's worth, back in April here's an imam in Orlando saying gays should be killed:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBlwxqqAprQ&feature=youtu.be

Free speech or not, such people should be arrested and jailed for uttering hate speech like this.

And man, those comments below.

 

[entremet]

Which is beyond stupid as this guy was born in New York. Sigh.

Bigotry isn't rational.

The goalposts will move.

 

[Sianos]

My heart goes out to the victims and their families.

This hits very close to home, just a few hours north of here... I just keep imagining this happening to my LGBT friends, them being gunned down by a heartless, disgusting troglodyte bigot. It fills me with both a deep rage and feeling of helplessness...

Stay safe, LGBT GAF, and all LGBT people.

 

[Havoc2049]

Strick gun laws and limited access to explosives didn't stop the terrorists in France and it won't stop the terrorists in the United States. Religious zealotry is the root of the problem and as long as there are intolerant religious zealots in the world who are brain washing people through a warped ideology, attacks like this will continue, both here in America and abroad.

 

[Toxi]

How have mods not come in here yet? Isn't this supposed to be a news thread? Go start a gun debate thread somewhere else.

A man legally purchased guns and used them a few days later to murder 50 people.

Truly it's a mystery why there is a gun debate happening in this thread. /s

 

[partyphone]

so it seems clear that this guy was a homophobe with a short fuse. also apparently a wife beater? and of course he had no criminal record. so there's another layer on this shit cake.

 

[Tarkus]

What do you consider, "a gun problem"?

Assault rifles available to civilians. Black market firearms. Background checks too lax. Watch list people legally buying firearms. It goes on and on...

 

[thenight11]

ATF HQ ‏@ATFHQ 4m4 minutes ago
BREAKING: ATF Orlando "We have completed urgent traces on firearms involved in #Orlando shooting. Firearms purchased legally."

 

[Polari]

Withdrawing from Iraq lead to creation of ISIS - creation of such organization is only possible in vacuum where government doesn't control situation in their own country.

Although you are correct - keeping strong dictatorship Saddam had would also prevent creation of ISIS - no need to care about all those brown people he was killing in his own country.

Not about keeping, so much as not intervening. If there was a moral crusade against authoritarian governments on, it would have been a pretty long list and Saddam wouldn't have been at the top.

 

[A Link to the Past]

Gotta love that Trump used the deaths as a footnote in his argument for his shit about terrorism and muh guns.

 

[Jackpot]

I'm not going to apologize for that position. I've been hunting and shooting recreationally for almost 20 years now.

You kill animals... for fun?

 

[maquiladora]

Jesus Christ, so sad.

What was it? Terrorist attack or just homophobic cunts?

.

@nickconfessore

It can be a hate crime, a mass shooting, and a terrorist attack all at the same time. No pressing need today to pick a flavor of horror.

 

[Acerac]

Jesus Christ, so sad.

What was it? Terrorist attack or just homophobic cunts?

What does terrorist mean to you? I can't imagine any classification of the word that doesn't describe the perpetrators of this awful event.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

It's fucking Trump. This right here is damn near literally his Reichstag Fire moment. We're talking an event that could propel him to the White House for god's sake.

Before, I was pretty sure you were kidding. Now you got me all confused and shit.

 

[Monocle]

Strick gun laws and limited access to explosives didn't stop the terrorists in France and it won't stop the terrorists in the United States. Religious zealotry is the root of the problem and as long as there are intolerant religious zealots in the world who are brain washing people through a warped ideology, attacks like this will continue, both here in America and abroad.

Are you sure that those strict gun laws haven't averted many other violent events?

 

[FyreWulff]

Also, the Oklahoma City bombing was done with an illegally made bomb, but interestingly enough after enacting a bunch of controls around all the materials used to make the bomb, nobody has been able to pull off another OKC. Funny how that works.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

Did you watch his statement? He did NOT downplay it. He's just not amplifying that particular phrase, for good reason.

You know the way this works, Obama hates America and always blames us for everything. He is a closet Muslim and won't go after ISIS and radical Islam, he is weak and always uses indecisive language.

I'm done with it, I don't know what more people want this President to do with regards to radicalism. Least he has accepted his L on gun control, it was close guys he almost came for our guns. You know Clinton will come and get em, better stock up!

This asshole was questioned three times by the FBI and was still able to buy weapons.

Just think if someone would try and pass some legislation that could have stopped this...oh wait. Damnit Obama and you libtards!

 

[Platy]

What do you consider, "a gun problem"?

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131

 

[FStubbs]

Free speech or not, such people should be arrested and jailed for uttering hate speech like this.

And man, those comments below.

At this point I'd want an investigation to see if the shooter was influenced by this imam.

 

[Garuroh]

I was checking Tumblr and some ex-muslims (some of them gay) say they think the attack had to do with the religion.

 

[Jombie]

And acting like this is solely a terrorism problem plays right into the hands of ISIS. It's a win-win for them, and we fall for it every time.

 

[SparkleMotion]

How would you even stop a person on a watch list from purchasing a gun? You can't tell them they're on an FBI watch list. If you deny them for no reason, it becomes a legal battle.

 

[everyday math]

Also, the Oklahoma City bombing was done with an illegally made bomb, but interestingly enough after enacting a bunch of controls around all the materials used to make the bomb, nobody has been able to pull off another OKC. Funny how that works.

The Boston bombs?

 

[Condom]

This asshole was questioned three times by the FBI and was still able to buy weapons.

Yes? He was still innocent, being investigated doesn't rip off your rights as a citizen.

 

[King Tubby]

Strick gun laws and limited access to explosives didn't stop the terrorists in France and it won't stop the terrorists in the United States.

This is specious reasoning. You have no idea how many more terrorist attacks or mass shootings would have occurred in France if not for strict gun laws.

 

[Plinko]

This asshole was questioned three times by the FBI and was still able to buy weapons.

Had the jackass republicans passed that law back in December, he probably wouldn't have been able to.

 

[~Kinggi~]

holy shit i had no idea this was going on. Just saw them mention this on E3 youtube stream. Damn kinda ruins the day now.

 

[Palette Swap]

Cause it's not against the law

Yeah.
Thanks, GOP and NRA: Senate blocks effort to keep guns from terrorists

 

[Liu Kang Baking A Pie]

Why are people so against something as simple as stronger checks for buying a gun? It wouldn't stop rational, law abiding citizens from buying guns. Even though those types can and will still commit atrocities, it might stop some. Why the fervent outrage?

The NRA and everyone they've bought in politics have scared people for decades about the looming threat of people taking their guns. They've purchased the thoughts and motivations of the entire country.

 

[Polari]

This asshole was questioned three times by the FBI and was still able to buy weapons.

In that PBS town hall Obama was saying how there were people with links to Islamism known to the Government yet he was powerless to stop them buying guns.

 

[partyphone]

Assault rifles available to civilians. Black market firearms. Background checks too lax. Watch list people legally buying firearms. It goes on and on...

even mild gun control laws can't get passed here. it's abhorrent. they tried to make it illegal for people on the terrorist watch list to buy a gun but it was voted down because it's too easy to get onto that list by mistake. the grotesqueness of it is beautiful in a way.

 

[reckless]

Yeah.
Thanks, GOP and NRA: Senate blocks effort to keep guns from terrorists

That would certainly be ruled unconstitutional.

 

[Blader]

Again, what the fuck is so wrong with gun control laws only being able to "stop some massacres"? Stopping some massacres is good!

 

[dream]

Do you remember what it was like for Muslims after 9/11, or people who even "looked" Muslim? That's what he is trying to avoid.

Sure, and I think that's a noble thing to do. But by ignoring the driving ideology behind this attack, we also shut down important discussions about radical Islam that we should be having.

 

[Ominym]

Assault rifles available to civilians. Black market firearms. Background checks too lax. Watch list people legally buying firearms. It goes on and on...

If you don't mind me asking, what is also included in the "on and on" portion? I want to know given your previous statements what you fully consider "a gun problem"?

Not trying to grill you, I'm legitimately curious.

http://www.theonion.com/article/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-36131

I think you're mistaking the point I'm trying to make and the question I'm asking.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I'm not going to apologize for that position. I've been hunting and shooting recreationally for almost 20 years now.

You can hunt just fine with a bolt action rifle. As for recreational shooting, sorry not worth people dying for. I would love to live in a world where everyone was like you or like my friends who enjoy shooting, but that is not the case.

 

[Lead]

Edit: actually this guy doesn't deserve an answer.

 

[Eighthours]

I'm not offended. You don't get to drive the narrative like that. I just think it's disgusting to dismiss a right as a mere hobby and I think a lot of people born in America forget what makes the US great and enticing to the rest of the world.

Believe me, very few people outside of America think that your gun laws and the stubborn 'right to bear arms' are great and enticing. From outside, we look at them and know they're obviously stupid and counterproductive.

I say the above as someone who loves going to America and really likes the American people as a whole. But the blind spot many of you have when it comes to guns is just plain bizarre, and you need to start thinking logically about how best to stop the epidemic of mass shootings. Stricter gun laws have a definite big part to play.