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[antonz]

So the shooter's dad likes the Afghan taliban, i think his quotes about his kid should be taken with a huge grain of salt.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/

Not even surprised. This is pretty much how it always ends up. Family says oh such a great kid never big on religion yada yada. Then find out the entire family are radicals.

 

[ugaboga232]

Yeah, let's put a law in place to regulate heart attacks too.

People choose to eat bad food knowing how bad it is because they like eating bad food. Nobody chooses to get shot.

Super gross.

Not to nitpick but appetite and diet is much less a choice than people think. Why can't we work on both?

Also big lobbying groups are keeping shitty foods and shitty dietary recommendations in place just like the NRA does with gun laws, maybe theres a coincidence?

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

This is really dumb. We can tackle more than one issue at once. You're just trying to deflect.

 

[RangerX]

Its absolutely repugnant what has happened and my thoughts are with the families of the victims. Guns seem to be the scourge of American culture and the reverence for the 2nd amendment that was written centuries ago has to end. Theres been a noticeable shift to the right among a section of Gaf recently. Its disturbing reading some of the posts in here. We need to stand in solidarity with our Muslim brothers and sisters, the majority of whom will condemn these despicable acts.

 

[Ponn]

Because if he was working with Isis that would mean they are coordinating with agents in the us. That would mean more attacks can be coming and maybe we can find out when if we find out more about mateen. If it's a lone wolf fanboy there is not much we can do about that.

He was under watch and was in the social circle of a known ISIS trainer who had traveled to America before. It really doesn't matter in the great scheme of things, all of the people under suspicion have been under watch and are under watch. Nothing can be done because it would be infringing on certain rights and you have to ask if you are ok with that slippery slope and most people aren't. It's the same as getting a restraining order against someone you are afraid of, its worthless until they actually do something and its usually too late at that point. The only real discussion that can be had is taking their tools to do harm away from them.

 

[MihowZa]

LOL you have my apologies, I miss read twice.

 

[A Link to the Past]

But no one goes on a killing rampage for seeing two men kiss. Clearly there's more to this than his father doesn't see.

I mean, it's not usual, but for not one moment would I be surprised if that turned out to be why he went on a mass shooting, especially since his shooting was targeted at a gay nightclub. I think it's rather strange to think that someone with serious issues wouldn't react to seeing such a thing in that way. People aren't rational when they go on shooting sprees - Dylan Roofe certainly didn't have any logic or reason behind what he did, he just didn't like black people.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

He was under watch and was in the social circle of a known ISIS trainer who had traveled to America before. It really doesn't matter in the great scheme of things, all of the people under suspicion have been under watch and are under watch. Nothing can be done because it would be infringing on certain rights and you have to ask if you are ok with that slippery slope and most people aren't. It's the same as getting a restraining order against someone you are afraid of, its worthless until they actually do something and its usually too late at that point. The only real discussion that can be had is taking their tools to do harm away from them.

I thought that guy was working for Al Qaeda in Syria, not IS.

 

[NHarmonic.]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

Fucking awful analogy. Get out.

 

[FTF]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

Are you serious with this bullshit?

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that a country made up of over 300 million people can only focus on one problem at a time.

 

[ElectricBlanketFire]

"I don't like what you have to say so stop saying it"

Do some of you people realize what you sound like? Take a step back.

Do you realize what you sound like?

 

[Seductivpancakes]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

You seriously think people choosing to eat unhealthy food is the same as someone murdering other people with a tool designed to kill?

 

[23qwerty]

Huh, and just yesterday on here I saw someone mention how rifle bans are pointless since they're rarely used in crimes and then the very next day...

RIP to the victims, not good news to wake up to..

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

That's ... yea throw child sex around.

You two are confounding my words with what you think I'm saying. Gun violence and violence in general is tucked away from the majority of Americans. We are all incredibly safe. We are safer every year than the year before.

What.

You're right though, its called suburbs.

 

[echoshifting]

"I don't like what you have to say so stop saying it"

Do some of you people realize what you sound like? Take a step back.

Uh, do you have any idea what you sound like? Throwing around diabetes/obesity statistics to deflect attention from the very serious and immediate problem of gun violence? As if we only have the capacity to fix one of those things? How about you take a step back and try to realize how outrageous that is.

 

[Switch Back 9]

"I don't like what you have to say so stop saying it"

Do some of you people realize what you sound like? Take a step back.

Because you're posting bullshit. Do you have any idea what YOU sound like? Do you understand why multiple posters in this thread take issue with the things you're saying? Can you wrap your head around that?

 

[Einchy]

LOL you have my apologies, I miss read twice.

Everything you've posted so far is a huge miss.

 

[reckless]

I mean, it's not usual, but for not one moment would I be surprised if that turned out to be why he went on a mass shooting, especially since his shooting was targeted at a gay nightclub. I think it's rather strange to think that someone with serious issues wouldn't react to seeing such a thing in that way.

The shooter's dad supports the afghan taliban, really shouldn't pay attention to what he says regarding motivations.

 

[Officerrob]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

Holy shit, this is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen

 

[Blader]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

The government isn't legally barred from researching and providing awareness about the health effects of poor diets, obesity, alcohol use, etc. Legislators aren't prevented from passing laws to crack down on drunk driving. Food is properly labeled at supermarkets so that people know exactly what they're eating, and health implications of what they're eating.

If guns were treated in the same manner as obesity, unhealthy eating and heart disease, there would be far less of a problem.

Also, it's a big country with a big government. We're not limited to tackle one issue at a time.

 

[Jotaka]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

 

[gutter_trash]

why are people on the FBI watchlist able to buy firearms at gun stores?

c'mon America, wake up.

photo ID background checks is the minimum people are asking for


scrap the 2nd ammendment

 

[Scrooged]

I own a gun
I really like shooting it.
It's a lot of fun

I'd give it up in a heartbeat if it meant another one of these shootings never occurred again

Banning guns won't stop these kinds of incidents from occurring. That's a very naive view. Have you already forgot about the Paris attack?

 

[diamount]

So guys, you can just walk into a shop and get an AR-15 right? There is no registration required on the federal level?

 

[Sapientas]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

You're really going all out huh?
This horrible strawman argument of your is kinda funny actually since more is being done about diabetes and obesity issues than gun control.

The fact that you used CDC statistics is even better considering they are unable to conduct researches about gun crime.

 

[MihowZa]

After 70 pages of 'ban rights', yes I am serious.

Speaking of out of sight out of mind, yea?

Sure, we can tackle more then one thing at a time, but we aren't.

The focus in this country is 1) guns 2) abortion 3) LBGT issues (not saying these aren't incredibly important) and everything else is a distant 4th at best.

 

[Nipo]

Fucking awful analogy. Get out.

It is callous but he is right in that if the goal is to save human life, and we assume a limited number of resources, there are better investments than trying to stop gun deaths..... Of course this is in large parts due to advocates of gun rights willing to spend huge amounts to fight any regulations.

 

[Meier]

This happened 2 miles from where I lived from 7th grade on (my folks still live there). Unbelievable.

 

[Plumbob]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

Wrap it up, thread's over /s

It is callous but he is right in that if the goal is to save human life, and we assume a limited number of resources, there are better investments than trying to stop gun deaths..... Of course this is in large parts due to advocates of gun rights willing to spend huge amounts to fight any regulations.

Poorer countries than us have much lower obesity rates and lower rates of gun violence. This argument is completely and totally inane.

 

[linkboy]

We aren't in disagreement.

The problem is that anytime you mention the words gun and control in the same sentence, the NRA and their supports get up in arms about how the govt is trying to take their guns away.

My dad is exactly that type of person. He's 100% convinced that Obama and Hillary will take his guns away.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

I can't help but chuckle at how tasteless and out of context this comparison is. I'm not going to humour it with a rebuttal because there is zero chance you're here to argue reasonably but it takes a special kind of ignorance to make the comparison you just made.

 

[A Link to the Past]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

These things? They are things that our society and government have been trying to fix. Michelle Obama made it a big thing about improving nutrition and physical activity in schools after all. What are we doing to fix the gun problem?

After 70 pages of 'ban rights', yes I am serious.

Speaking of out of sight out of mind, yea?

Sure, we can tackle more then one thing at a time, but we aren't.

The focus in this country is 1) guns 2) abortion 3) LBGT issues (not saying these aren't incredibly important) and everything else is a distant 4th at best.

Can you clarify this?

How many innocent people killed by legally acquired firearms annually is too many before we start to ask how we can fix this busted ass system?

 

[reckless]

So guys, you can just walk into a shop and get an AR-15 right? There is no registration required on the federal level?

Just an instant background check and the guy had no criminal history so nothing to stop him.

 

[Nipo]

So guys, you can just walk into a shop and get an AR-15 right? There is no registration required on the federal level?

You don't even need to walk into a store you can buy it online.

 

[What did he mean by this?]

I care only marginally what his motivation is or his beliefs are or where he got the idea from

At the end of the day, he got the idea to kill, EASILY and LEGALLY purchased the killing machines necessary for his idea, then went and did it

You can't regulate ideas, but you can regulate killing machines

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

So guys, you can just walk into a shop and get an AR-15 right? There is no registration required on the federal level?

I live in Texas, I can buy an AR-15 24/7 without a background check or waiting period. The gun can be in my hands within an hour, all legal.

Just an instant background check and the guy had no criminal history so nothing to stop him.

Don't even need a background check.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

Banning guns won't stop these kinds of incidents from occurring. That's a very naive view. Have you already forgot about the Paris attack?

And how often do these shootings happen in France? Because in 2015, America had more than one mass shooting for every day in the year.

 

[cyberheater]

You don't even need to walk into a store you can buy it online.

Wow. That's horrific.

 

[~Kinggi~]

Disney is probably on some high alert right now. Orlando gets hit twice in a row. Shits bad.

 

[Anung]

Banning guns won't stop these kinds of incidents from occurring. That's a very naive view. Have you already forgot about the Paris attack?

Attacks like Paris aren't happening every other week.

 

[shoreu]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

wow dude... lol how about we still do something about guns and improve our countries health?

would that make you happy?

 

[King Tubby]

Can we please stop quoting the same guy over and over?

Just an instant background check and the guy had no criminal history so nothing to stop him.

From what I've seen there's not really anything that could've been done to prevent this guy from getting the arms and ammunition he used to perpetrate this attack short of banning the weapons he used. Apparently his record was fairly clean.

 

[TakumiTrueno]

Banning guns won't stop these kinds of incidents from occurring. That's a very naive view. Have you already forgot about the Paris attack?

And you are very naive to think that if we can't stop anything completely, we should not even try.

 

[Tigress]

Re: people saying Obama needs to say "radical Islamic terrorism" more.

Here in America, connotation smuggling and semantic games are more important than addressing tragedies in any way other than blaming non-White people as a collective. Any solution that might have an impact on white people, such as enhanced gun control, is disingenuously swatted away - conservatives appealing to mental healthcare reform when they, their policies, and their philosophies have both destroyed the system and stigmatized both mental health sufferers and therapy as a concept disgusts me on both a deeply personal and logical level - in favor of just broadly tarring an entire religion of people, because xenophobia is easier than actually understanding the world with more nuance than someone left behind by Piaget. Please, use your brain.

If any of you fools payed any attention in even the smallest capacity, you would realize that Obama has directly condemned ISIS many, many, many, many times. But he also has the tact to recognize that speaking in broad statements that implicate an entire religion of people is unwise and will just incite further hatred. I agree that there are extremely problematic sections of the Quran just as there is in the Bible, and any other piece of literature written by people hundreds of years ago. But the solution isn't to alienate moderate religious people who have modernized by inciting hatred against them - especially when the moderate religious folk condemn terrorism over and over and the fools must try harder and harder to maintain their ignorance - it's to cultivate the moderate religious folk, to gentrify religion into an acceptably toothless form. After all, it worked on Christianity (mostly), so it will work on Islam as well.

This so much this. Let me add that by tarring a whole group of people with the same brush and all the flack they will get over this, is exactly what ISIS wants. They want them to feel alienated, they want them to start feeling resentment, they want us to hate them. Because it's easier to recruit them when they have a whole group of people hating them making it hard not to hate them back. This isn't about our country, this is about what they want over there but recruiting more people to join their cause. Give them some one to hate, give them a target that you say you will help them move against, make them more pliable for your cause. This whole incident, even if he is not part of ISIS, is a gold mine for them. They want there to be hurt feelings and both groups hating each other.

 

[Blader]

After 70 pages of 'ban rights', yes I am serious.

Speaking of out of sight out of mind, yea?

Sure, we can tackle more then one thing at a time, but we aren't.

The focus in this country is 1) guns 2) abortion 3) LBGT issues (not saying these aren't incredibly important) and everything else is a distant 4th at best.

Huh?

The CDC provides research about deaths occurring from diabetes, heart disease, obesity, alcohol, smoking, cancer, etc. The FDA makes nutrition recommendations and ensures food is properly labeled so that people can make informed healthy eating choices (or, if they choose to eat shit, at least they know they're eating shit).

Guns don't get one iota of the focus or action that diabetes, poor exercise, bad dieting, etc. do.

 

[Air Zombie Meat]

After 70 pages of 'ban rights', yes I am serious.

Speaking of out of sight out of mind, yea?

Sure, we can tackle more then one thing at a time, but we aren't.

The focus in this country is 1) guns 2) abortion 3) LBGT issues (not saying these aren't incredibly important) and everything else is a distant 4th at best.

Gun regulations have got even more lax if anything. Sure theres been a lot of talk about it but nothings really been done.

 

[reckless]

Don't even need a background check.

He's talking about a store so yeah you do, the ATF has a record of the purchase so he went to a store and got a background check he didn't do a private sale.

 

[MihowZa]

Because you're posting bullshit. Do you have any idea what YOU sound like? Do you understand why multiple posters in this thread take issue with the things you're saying? Can you wrap your head around that?

Because this is an incredibly out of touch, incredibly in the minority, progressive left web forum? (which I have no problem with ... but the vitriol is as insane as sites like Brietbert and others that are loony right)

 

[sappyday]

http://www.cdc.gov/dhdsp/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fs_heart_disease.htm

"Diabetes
Overweight and obesity
Poor diet
Physical inactivity
Excessive alcohol use"

and literally hundreds of thousands die because: bad diet, lack of exercise.

100%, completely avoidable deaths. Hundreds of thousands A YEAR.

But yea, lets stop 60,000 deaths instead of 6 million in the coming decade, let's focus on that because ??? my feelings and I like Doritos? I don't know.

Wtf man.