You're assuming that most consumers plan to buy and own multiple consoles. I don't know the numbers on multi-console ownership, but I would assume it's a relatively small portion of the market. Also trading in or selling your old console does reduce the initial cash outlay and sticker shock. Also factor in stuff like accessories (a 2nd controller) and paid online for 2 consoles now and the costs start to add up. I think more people will move from Sony to Microsoft than vice versa, but I don't think the numbers will be particularly significant.
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You're assuming that most consumers plan to buy and own multiple consoles. I don't know the numbers on multi-console ownership, but I would assume it's a relatively small portion of the market. Also trading in or selling your old console does reduce the initial cash outlay and sticker shock. Also factor in stuff like accessories (a 2nd controller) and paid online for 2 consoles now and the costs start to add up. I think more people will move from Sony to Microsoft than vice versa, but I don't think the numbers will be particularly significant.
rokkerkory
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Yep... most console gamers don't really know about this however.
It'll be a change of mindset moving fwd.
Check out that Doom super-lower-settings-and-resolution screen shot thread from earlier today/yesterday. That games is a very 2016 take on Doom both graphics and gameplay wise yet it was running on a seemingly 10+ year old piece of hardware.
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You want generations but you're going to build a PC? You lost me there. I think the way we look at XBOX will be different. We'll look at our profile, gamerscore, library of games, and it will travel with us as we move between hardware.
Deaf Spacker
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Is the Scorpio 4K or bust? The visuals of a Forza title in full HD with that power behind it would be amazeballs.
I feel the same.
I see some people saying PS4 didn't win because of the power.
But it was definitely one of the important aspects. ( I remember the amount of hype when 8GB GDDR was rumoured then announced officially)
Not the only one of course, like the no DRM video they released. That was huge too.
wumster3000
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Lots of people fail to realize how much they support MS even though they think they are hurting them. The best thing they could have done was bring their first party games to PC, allow cross buy and cross play. I absolutely love it.
SkylineRKR
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I'll probably wait for PS5 then. Seems silly to upgrade inbetween.
Beerman462
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Yeah, but how far off is that? 3-4 years. I'm just saying consoles are iterative now. Getting out ahead doesn't mean shit if the next big thing is only 10 months down the road if that. It depends on when Sony plans on releasing Neo.
Most people I know own multiple consoles, but that's probably because that's the people I talk to. I agree with the dual pay for online except that if you were to buy a Scorpio for multi-plats, which is a bulk of gaming then you can drop your PS+ until a exclusive with multiplayer releases. Not saying it's perfect or even makes sense, but I don't think getting out ahead matters to people looking for the most powerful console.
Flintty
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Lol well yeah, eventually things will move one and people will need to upgrade to a higher spec Xbox which is expected with a gap of 8 years(!), just as you upgrade your PC. Your post pretty much proves my point. The really important thing is that the successor to Scorpio, in 8 yrs or whatever, will continue to play XB1 games (and 360 BC games included). This is a fucking great move.
Yautja_Warrior
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That extra power will likely be used for things better AA, AF, framerate and / or 4k native resolution.
4k gaming is still extremely demanding on High end games, even the mighty Nvidia GTX 1080 cant do 4k 60fps, so normal Xbox One will run games like it does now, say a game runs at 1080p/30fps, the Scorpio version could be 4k/30fps for example. 4k resolution will eat up that extra power.
Captain Tuttle
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Exactly
It's crazy how people don't get this
and it's crazy how long it took Microsoft to realize it
Beyonce Beytwice
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We'll see what the market has to say about that.
Pai Pai Master
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Sounds like something Donald Trump would say if he were an ignorant videogame CEO
Screamapillar
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They'll have to navigate the whole "forward and backward compatible" thing carefully. I'm sure they will. It seems like it's gonna be a little tricky.
Eventually, two or three years from now, enough people will have moved over to Scorpio from OG Xbox One that developers will simply stop supporting the original. It'll be like developers nowadays pretty much having dropped PS3/ 360, since the audience is almost completely switched over to current gen from last gen at this point.
Eventually, two or three years from now, enough people will have moved over to Scorpio from OG Xbox One that developers will simply stop supporting the original. It'll be like developers nowadays pretty much having dropped PS3/ 360, since the audience is almost completely switched over to current gen from last gen at this point.
SkylineRKR
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Imagine Driveclub upgraded to 60fps and better IQ in general. I would take that.
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Samurai G0SU
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Wonder if they will badge some games with "Scorpio Ready" like gears 4, scalebound, crackdown 3 and etc.
rottendevice
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I'm just glad we're not going in the direction of computing "in the cloud". Though I do wonder how many people upset with half-generation consoles will just switch to PC.
I'm more curious about how they will 'badge' games in the far future that no longer work on the XB1.
ProvenDeadly
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I think that all games will be released as an "Xbox" game, and then somewhere on the back of the box say "compatible with One and Scorpio"
TheListener
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I'm pretty sure he is referring to HDR + IQ improvements.
Wait, why are you posting this in a Scorpio thread?
SkylineRKR
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wapplew
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They still prefer you buy their hardware thou, that thirdparty fat royalties is not available on PC.
They should considering how long "cross-gen" went on between last gen and current gen consoles. It's already been done.
Sure and there may come time when Microsoft decides the R&D expense for a box isn't worth it and moves the platform to PC. They have that advantage over Sony.
However I'm not really sure I follow Y2KEV's argument here. Going by the rumors Microsoft isn't launching first while it does have the power advantage. So it's not the 360 at all. Unless he means going before what's after the NEO but then you could say whatever iteration launches at the time is the 360 if they keep the one year offset as I'd expect them to leapfrog each other every time unless someone did a $599 or something of that nature.
CrimsonEclipse
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Yeah, Microsoft is gonna be happy af either way. Aint hurting them if you think you are.
Delusibeta
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That's the million dollar question, and I suspect the answer is going to be "they won't: the PS4/Xbone will remain the lead platform".
That's a big question, and I suspect that they'll wind up being (half of a) generation behind on power again.
geordiemp
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Yup, Witcher 3 1080p60 locked / Souls 1080p60 locked etc. Sony need to make sure Neo has enough guts to do the same, or its dead.
Also dont get the hamstrrung posts, games now run in 1080p30 or 900p60 on current gen with poor shadows and LOD, low AA.
A better console will just bang out a locked 1080p60 with superb AA, AF, LOD and effects. Thats all I care for. Sold.
Shpeshal Nick
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Why is there so much confusion about Scorpio vs Xbox One games?
Don't PC developers right now have to develop games for PC that are multiple specs? Can't the games auto-detect specs and adjust accordingly?
This will be no different.
Don't PC developers right now have to develop games for PC that are multiple specs? Can't the games auto-detect specs and adjust accordingly?
This will be no different.
It's also nice knowing that, if I'm not interested in VR and 60fps AAA games, I can just stick with the X1 and continue to enjoy indies, etc. with a sprinkling of AAA stuff. It won't perform as well as on Scorpio, but who cares? It'll run!
Look at all of the amazing engines we've got these days. Look at how scalable Doom, MGSV, and many of the newer games are. We're in a much better position to get those kinds of games now then we were even just a few years ago, and that will make it possible to create more new, cutting-edge games that run acceptably on older hardware, rather than older-style games that are slightly enhanced for newer systems. Those are going to become the norm, I think.
Nowhere, really. Nintendo has demonstrated by this point that they're in their own little world, for better or worse. Unless the NX is just a single-screen console that utilizes a typical handheld controller, you're not going to see multi-platform stuff on there anyway, regardless of how more or less powerful it is.
The reason you don't see games released on all 3 (PS4/XB1/WiiU) consoles isn't just because of a power difference. If you release on Wii U, you have to fully support the GamePad.
Look at all of the amazing engines we've got these days. Look at how scalable Doom, MGSV, and many of the newer games are. We're in a much better position to get those kinds of games now then we were even just a few years ago, and that will make it possible to create more new, cutting-edge games that run acceptably on older hardware, rather than older-style games that are slightly enhanced for newer systems. Those are going to become the norm, I think.
Nowhere, really. Nintendo has demonstrated by this point that they're in their own little world, for better or worse. Unless the NX is just a single-screen console that utilizes a typical handheld controller, you're not going to see multi-platform stuff on there anyway, regardless of how more or less powerful it is.
The reason you don't see games released on all 3 (PS4/XB1/WiiU) consoles isn't just because of a power difference. If you release on Wii U, you have to fully support the GamePad.
SkylineRKR
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Because this topic also has a lot about Neo.
And because that game is one of the best looking of this gen under certain circumstances, but suffers from 30fps and other graphical issues. I would be okay with it if the Scorpio and comparable Neo would deliver such upgrades on it.
But Witcher 3 is a fine example too. 60fps, no pop in etc.
rokkerkory
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You are right but the average consumer prob wont know.
wumster3000
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It's like people forget that they are a software giant. You still have to buy their OS to play their games. It's easier to push software than hardware.
RichiRamjag
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Yeah, I can live with this, but yearly? I'd be done.
Beerman462
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Yea I think some of us are forgetting the Neo isnt supposed to be the PS5. The Scorpio for all intents and purposes is probably the XBox Two.
IMO Microsoft is probably ready to jump to their next gen console right now, Sony isnt. Would Sony really be thinking about changing the specs? If Sony waits til they are ready they could one up MS in specs again....then again MS could have a comfortable lead in sales if ppl gravitate to the Scorpio due to specs.
What a time to be alive...
Feels too early for the Neo so I probably would have waited a year anyway, I'll make my decision partially based on how The Witcher runs on Neo vs Scorpio.
Didn't think I'd ever go back to Xbox though. If I can keep playing PS4/Neo first party titles like Last Of Us 2 on an old PS4, why not get a Scorpio for 3d party?
Didn't think I'd ever go back to Xbox though. If I can keep playing PS4/Neo first party titles like Last Of Us 2 on an old PS4, why not get a Scorpio for 3d party?
"I game on PC, I have no interest in an Xbox console."
"Hey cool, I can buy Xbox games on PC now, I have even less than zero interest in an Xbox console."
"Wow, Forza Horizon 3 is great."
"Wow, ReCore is great."
"Wow, Gears 4 is great."
(fast forward a few years)
"Upgrade my video card AGAIN? I don't feel like doing that any more."
"I don't have as much time to tinker with my PC as I used to."
"Maybe I could just buy a console. But which one?"
"...you know? I have this whole library of Xbox games and content already..."
And even if this doesn't happen, they earned 100% more revenue from PC players buying Xbox games than they did before. But it'll happen a few times...mark my words.
They want you in the ecosystem. They want you buying content and building up a library that you won't want to give up. In the end, they may or may not sell you an Xbox console, but it's less likely that you'll grab a PlayStation.
that would be nice but lets not kid ourselves. devs wont go back to work on older games unless its easy peasy
Delta from 360 to XOne was significantly bigger than what you're getting here, even before we talk about architectural changes.Shadow2222 said:
Also if 4k support is any sort of a requirement - that takes most of power difference to run by itself - better question would be how multiple configurations will be handled, as this is literally PC if you're getting a completely different performance/settings at 1080p vs 4k.
nelsonroyale
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One thing I absolutely don't care about at the moment is 4k gaming. I hope it won't hamstring other aspects of visuals. I want better geometry, better effects, better AA, higher FPS, better lighting. I will take all of those a long time before 4k. If most devs just push 4k visuals versus 900p on Xbone then...blah.
Captain Tuttle
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Filthy casual indeed
KinofChaos
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One has more expensive hardware and is launching later...which one will be chaper? Not rocket science.
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