Face palm. Some people are in for a rude awakening. Time and time again, we have seen both the PS4/Xbox One perform pretty close to their PC counterparts in the DF tests.
Xbox Project Scorpio Announced - 6TFlops, 320GB/s - Fall 2017
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Gormenghast
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Will you be able to buy a relatively cheap video card to match the Scorpio if you wait one or two years after the Scorpio release? Yes.
Will you be able to match Scorpio's performance if you buy right now anything less than a 1080? Nope.
Will you be able to match Scorpio's performance if you buy right now anything less than a 1080? Nope.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Ok yes ill wait 4 years to look foolish lol .. Whilst i already have plenty of awesome 360 and xbox one games to play along with more pc games than ever before. Other than uncharted im struggling to see anything im missing out on .. Mind u i have forza halo recore gears of war scalebound qunatum break ... Oh wait only im not alowed to comment on console wars thats right lol
.. My bad
You won't be here much longer. Your bad indeed.
KnightimeX_Legacy
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I expect this to be $500 for the cheap version.
DuckSlayer
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My apologies then .. Anyway im good with no console wars i was just having some fun as its obvious this news would cause a few fanboys to resort to fisticuffs.
ninjablade
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i honestly can see this happening just make scorpio a pc in a box with xbox live service. its not like the xbox brand is on fire right now, they need to make a change and that would be huge.
Proelite
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Umm 1070 , GTX titan, R390x etc are all above Scorpio.
Just_myles
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So, I have to say it. Is MSFT/Sony taking the steam machine approach now? I can see how this affects software. So i'm not wrong in my assertion.
ethomaz
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7750 921 GLOPS
Xbox One 1.34 TFLOPS
PS4 1.84 TFLOPS
Xbox One is close to 7770 GHz Edition (1.28 TFLOS) and PS4 is close to 7850 (1.76 TFLOPS).
You can get bench with these cards using the same resolution and settings details... the result will be close (Xbox One and PS4 will have slight edge due the slight bigger raw power).
Digital Foundry tests always shows that with exception of unoptimized ports like Batman.
Thejackburton
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All that power won't get taken advance of if they have to cater to the Xbone original.
Pathfinder
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I don't know about crow, but I get the feeling we'll have dead duck on the menu soon.
Uhhh. First off, a 1070 runs laps around the scorpio in real world performance terms. And the 480 that releases june 29th(this month) is pretty much scorpio's equivalent with some overclocking, and that's $230 for the good version.
Journey
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Is that what happens to PC games? Oh wait...
Look, now a days most games are optimized on PC, then ported down to consoles, so when you have games struggling on X1 while running at 900p or 720p and 30fps, you can have that same game at 1080p/60fps with the same texture fidelity as the PC counterpart. That sounds good to me.
pc gaming seems to work okay
PHOENIXZERO
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This marketing talk was being layed on thick there.
There's an AMD GPU coming out in a few weeks that will come close to matching it for $200-$250. So yeah, next year there will be a relatively cheap GPU that will be able to exceed that.
There's an AMD GPU coming out in a few weeks that will come close to matching it for $200-$250. So yeah, next year there will be a relatively cheap GPU that will be able to exceed that.
Saintruski
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it was pretty good, but I hurt inside inside when one of them said something along the lines of "this is the best quality pixels that anyone has ever seen" though
Edit: now that i play it back there was some painful marketing talk in there.
Yeah, rag doll + thin CPU = FPS dips.
-ImaginaryInsider
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I think that's another good point, it takes the one with the momentum to really screw up for a real change...a combination of lower specs, higher prices, and poor consumer messaging/perception.
The nice thing about Sony wanting to protect it's current userbase, and MS being hungry and aggressive, is that it should keep both competitive and less complacent, which benefits consumers.
cyberheater
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Lead platform would be Scorpio and then paired back for PS4 Neo, Xbox one etc...
Beerman462
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The 7850 is 1.7TF. So very close to PS4 specs wise.
How often are those PC cards paired with garbage-tier netbook CPU's tho?
Yeah that's where console CPU optimization kicks in. Although even garbage tier CPUs can hold 30fps even in DS3.
They've said all xbox one family games and hardware will work on it, they explicitly didn't say all Scorpio software will work on xbox one - as it won't, the video makes it clear they want that extra power to create new experiences not possible on the xbox one.
CrispyBoar
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Ok yes ill wait 4 years to look foolish lol .. Whilst i already have plenty of awesome 360 and xbox one games to play along with more pc games than ever before. Other than uncharted im struggling to see anything im missing out on .. Mind u i have forza halo recore gears of war scalebound qunatum break ... Oh wait only im not alowed to comment on console wars thats right lol
.. My bad
Please, people like you are the ones who started the console war in this thread.
And yeah, you're going to be looking foolish in the end.
lightchris
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Can't say much more than "no". Not even close.
AMD cards (of the same architecture as PS4!) that perform similar to 750Ti are the R7 260X or R7 265 (or rather something in between). Source. Those cards are - surprise - about 1.8 TFLOPS, same as PS4.
darkinstinct
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2160p/60 Scorpio, 1440p/60 Neo, 1080p30 PS4, 900p30 Xbone.
Syphon Filter
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I'm confused. Is this their next console?
You are in for some heartache if that is what you expect.
How do you explicitly not say something?
Saintruski
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Spec wise, it could be, but it looks like they are done with the generational approach.
No games are built or optimized directly for the 1070, titan or R390x.
Being part of a console with games built and optimized for the hardware is going to make it more comparable with a 1070, titan and R390x.
darkinstinct
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Yes. But it's not a new gen.
Proelite
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Umm nope.
Not enough power jump to do 60 fps for those resolutions. You need something like 8x the jump.
yes. Just think of the xbox one and all xboxes going forward as PCs. They all run Windows 10 at their core, all run on similar but upgraded hardware and there's no generational break so all your games and accessories work.
Tony Iron Man Stark
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Is this the next iteration of Xbox, after Xbox One? or Will Games that are made for Xbox One will also work on
Scorpio?
Scorpio?
blue_phazon
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REGARDING VR:
Todd obviously wants to bring Fallout 4 VR to Scorpio, but thats on Vive.
But MS is also on good terms with Oculus.
Does this possibly mean that Scorpio supports both Vice and Oculus??
Todd obviously wants to bring Fallout 4 VR to Scorpio, but thats on Vive.
But MS is also on good terms with Oculus.
Does this possibly mean that Scorpio supports both Vice and Oculus??
Why? Sony knows that they will still be at the top in terms of sales regardless.
Alpha Phoenix
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Scorpio will be good for 1080p/60fps and 4K/30fps. I see a lot of folks saying 4K/60fps--that's some monstrous horsepower not exactly attainable given those specs.
rokkerkory
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Will probably support whatever VR device
Saintruski
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If you think about it, R&D shouldn't have been that much for the NEO. What did they do other than shop around for new parts much like upgrading a pc? Scrapping it shouldn't be all that costly.
Quite possibly. Microsoft actually has Vive demos in their stores.
BeforeU
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No, games will be backward and forward compatible.
There won't be a new gen anymore. It will keep evolving.
99.9% sure Forza Motorsport titles will run at 4k/60fps on Scorpio.
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