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[Omegasquash]

Anything?

At least fucking try.

Have you been following this the last few years?

 

[ElFly]

He did

Background checks lost 56-44 last time in the Senate

yes

lost with a majority

because the NRA i mean GOP was going to filibuster it

Well ok.

Keep trying.

Do something. You are the most powerful person in the planet. Fucking abuse the executive power. The republicans already believe Obama is taking their guns away anyway.

 

[DOWN]

Does it matter what Obama says if he is going to do nothing, just like in every previous mass shooting.

Congress, who makes the laws, is not under his control

 

[heliosRAzi]

Well ok.

Keep trying.

Do something. You are the most powerful person in the planet. Fucking abuse the executive power. The republicans already believe Obama is taking their guns away anyway.

Any executive order he issues can be reversed in less than a year. We need lasting legislation, not a quick fix. And doing something illegal or unconstitutional is not the answer.

 

[ElFly]

Then I was right in saying that it does not matter what he says, cause he won't do nothing, even if he tried.

 

[DOWN]

Then I was right in saying that it does not matter what he says, cause he won't do nothing, even if he tried.

you seem confused

 

[SparkleMotion]

Well ok.

Keep trying.

Do something. You are the most powerful person in the planet. Fucking abuse the executive power. The republicans already believe Obama is taking their guns away anyway.

 

[ElFly]

you seem confused

Are you saying he will do anything of use?

 

[Ray Wonder]

Then I was right in saying that it does not matter what he says, cause he won't do nothing, even if he tried.

If he convinces anyone that didn't think that way before, it mattered. Just, marginally, I guess.

 

[reckless]

Are you saying he will do anything of use?

Unless he goes and breaks the law there isnt much he can do..

 

[everyday math]

So it's all Obamas fault got it. Not the Goverment that refuses to votes anything. The same Govermemnt that would revert those changes.

 

[HStallion]

Well ok.

Keep trying.

Do something. You are the most powerful person in the planet. Fucking abuse the executive power. The republicans already believe Obama is taking their guns away anyway.

He can't just abuse executive power to undo the 2nd amendment. Come on now, I understand being frustrated but your just bull shitting right now and want him to act like a damned dictator. Nah things are difficult, frustrating and terrible with some of this stuff but trying to circumvent things because you're mad isn't going to help in the long run.

Edit: You're coming off more willfully ignorant, than passionate at this point.

 

[ElFly]

So it's all Obamas fault got it. Not the Goverment that refuses to votes anything. The same Govermemnt that would revert those changes.

Well my point is that Obama´s statements are useless because he will do _nothing_

The reasons of said doing-nothing-ness are irrelevant.

Going wow Obama really looked cool saying stuff about Orlando and made the GOP look dumb is useless.

He can't just abuse executive power to undo the 2nd amendment. Come on now, I understand being frustrated but your just bull shitting right now and want him to act like a damned dictator. Nah things are difficult, frustrating and terrible with some of this stuff but trying to circumvent things because you're mad isn't going to help in the long run.

Edit: You're coming off more willfully ignorant, than passionate at this point.

I am astounded that people here are excited about a president talking about an issue they themselves are telling me he can´t do anything about.

What's the fucking point of listening to Obama emit empty words?

 

[TalonJH]

Then I was right in saying that it does not matter what he says, cause he won't do nothing, even if he tried.

You understand that it's important to court the public, right? These speeches are meant to inspire people (politicians & the public) to want that change and to believe in it. If he did somehow pass policy that maddened the public, It would just be reversed when he leaves office and we would be in an even worst spot with a leader that doesn't want change.

 

[emag]

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/06/1...c-region&WT.nav=span-abc-region&_r=3&referer=

Great article

Another great article: "The Complicated Pain of America's Queer Muslims"
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/06/lgbt-muslims-orlando/486923/

 

[Mammoth Jones]

Well my point is that Obama´s statements are useless because he will do _nothing_

The reasons of said doing-nothing-ness are irrelevant.

Going wow Obama really looked cool saying stuff about Orlando and made the GOP look dumb is useless.



I am astounded that people here are excited about a president talking about an issue they themselves are telling me he can´t do anything about.

What's the fucking point of listening to Obama emit empty words?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bully_pulpit

 

[HStallion]

I am astounded that people here are excited about a president talking about an issue they themselves are telling me he can´t do anything about.

What's the fucking point of listening to Obama emit empty words?

Again what the fuck do you expect him to say or do? Go down to congress and start punching GOP senators in the dick? Seriously man you're coming off mighty fucking foolish at this point. Its not a good look and you're constant whining about,"He's not going to do anything!" shows a serious detachment from reality man and how the US government and politics in general.

You're underselling everything he's tried to do and make it seem like he's fucking magic and can snap his fingers and eliminate the NRA, change a huge swath of America's opinions on guns and make everyone work together like we never had any issues with one another.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Then I was right in saying that it does not matter what he says, cause he won't do nothing, even if he tried.

I think it does matter what he says because he's the President of the United States. Right or wrong, what he says matter. He's inspiring some people. He's shaming others. He's using his position as POTUS to preach to the public and to our enemies. It is not useless.

Well my point is that Obama´s statements are useless because he will do _nothing_

The reasons of said doing-nothing-ness are irrelevant.

And we're trying to tell you why he can't do much. The reasons why he can't are relevant because he can't break the law.

I don't think it's useless;

 

[EdibleKnife]

I am astounded that people here are excited about a president talking about an issue they themselves are telling me he can´t do anything about.

What's the fucking point of listening to Obama emit empty words?

If this was any GOP candidate, it would be fully empty but Obama speaking in a way that actually shows he cares and is incensed by how hamstrung he is can be helpful for stirring some empathy in people who would otherwise just let another shooting flow over them like a breeze. An indication of how much this matters to the president is not only helpful for the victims' loved ones and the frustrated public to know someone actually cares but could help in changing hearts and minds when it comes to this issue. Granted, it's not a magic wand but it's better than staying silent or offering empty condolences while taking NRA money on the sly

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

As I said a million times before, if you want to see change, vote. Not just for GE, but in mid-terms and any other local elections, too. Rout the people who refuse to budge on gun control out of congress. Tell anybody who is upset about this that they need to act, too. It's not enough to bitch about Obama not doing enough, a single branch of government can only do so much.

 

[ElFly]

I think it does matter what he says because he's the President of the United States. Right or wrong, what he says matter. He's inspiring some people. He's shaming others. He's using his position as POTUS to preach to the public and to our enemies. It is not useless.

And we're trying to tell you why he can't do much. The reasons why he can't are relevant because he can't break the law.

I don't think it's useless;

Well if talking is the best he can do, then he should go talk. Just not a lame speech just because Trump called him out.

He ain't inspiring people here. What's the result of this talk? People trying to convince me there's nothing he can do.

Inspiring.

If Trump hadn't done his usual stupid routine, Obama wouldn't even have talked today, thus doing even less than nothing.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Well if talking is the best he can do, then he should go talk. Just not a lame speech just because Trump called him out.

Making a speech is talking, though.


How about this? Instead of focusing your ire on a supposedly useless Obama speech, why don't you contact your US Senators, US Congressman, and state representatives about this?

 

[mackattk]

Well if talking is the best he can do, then he should go talk. Just not a lame speech just because Trump called him out.

He ain't inspiring people here. What's the result of this talk? People trying to convince me there's nothing he can do.

Inspiring.

If Trump hadn't done his usual stupid routine, Obama wouldn't even have talked today, thus doing even less than nothing.

I assume you are from the US, so please research and see how much power the president really has. He can't magically make things happen. There is a system of checks and balances so one part of the government can't make sweeping changes without the others consent.

 

[AlphaSnake]

Lock her up until the end of time if this is true. I have read about fathers and mothers turning in their kids to the authorities because of radicalization, this guy was her partner and she knew what he was up to yet sat there and did nothing? A billion years behind bars won't be enough.

Story just keeps getting worse. Go charge her with 50 counts of accessory to murder and then go throw her in jail for a very long time.

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/or...w&hootPostID=1631d0b4632c0a40025001e8aec55bcf






Jesus.

Posted this a few pages ago, and said the same thing. She should be tried as an accessory, and receive 1 year for every victim. Effectively giving her a 102 year sentence. Fuck her.

 

[HStallion]

Well if talking is the best he can do, then he should go talk. Just not a lame speech just because Trump called him out.

He ain't inspiring people here. What's the result of this talk? People trying to convince me there's nothing he can do.

Inspiring.

If Trump hadn't done his usual stupid routine, Obama wouldn't even have talked today, thus doing even less than nothing.

Just want to point out you're coming off as a selfish callous asshole who is worried about Obama "doing something" instead of reaching out to both the families, friends and people of Orlando affected by the shooting to show support but also throwing some well deserved fire against the other side. If you can't what he's doing with this speech you're quite dense or doing so on purpose for whatever edgy reason.

 

[ElFly]

Making a speech is talking, though.

And this speech is useless cause it's only effect is making people convinced that Obama has his hands tied, feel better about themselves.

How about this? Instead of focusing your ire on a supposedly useless Obama speech, why don't you contact your US Senators, US Congressman, and state representatives about this?

You seem concentrated myopically on how congress is the blocking point for change.

If talking is everything he can do (I disagree but let's go with the premise), there are more effective places where he can do it. Address the obvious problem part of the muslim community seems to have about LGBT issues. Call out international religious leaders.

The FBI had his sights on this guy. This is the second terrorist attack under Obama where intelligence had its sights on a terrorist and just stopped following him. Intelligence cannot be perfect, but at least go check if they could have done better. What failed.

The notion he can do nothing just because congress won't let him is ridiculous.

Just want to point out you're coming off as a selfish callous asshole who is worried about Obama "doing something" instead of reaching out to both the families, friends and people of Orlando affected by the shooting to show support but also throwing some well deserved fire against the other side. If you can't what he's doing with this speech you're quite dense or doing so on purpose for whatever edgy reason.

He already reached to the people of Orlando, yesterday.

This speech was a reaction to Trump.

 

[Ray Wonder]

Just want to point out you're coming off as a selfish callous asshole who is worried about Obama "doing something" instead of reaching out to both the families, friends and people of Orlando affected by the shooting to show support but also throwing some well deserved fire against the other side. If you can't what he's doing with this speech you're quite dense or doing so on purpose for whatever edgy reason.

He's coming off as a frustrated and concerned citizen to me. Just wondering why the person running the country isn't able to do anything more than make a speech.

 

[FreezeSSC]

And this speech is useless cause it's only effect is making people convinced that Obama has his hands tied, feel better about themselves.



You seem concentrated myopically on how congress is the blocking point for change.

If talking is everything he can do (I disagree but let's go with the premise), there are more effective places where he can do it. Address the obvious problem part of the muslim community seems to have about LGBT issues.

The FBI had his sights on this guy. This is the second terrorist attack under Obama where intelligence had its sights on a terrorist and just stopped following him. Intelligence cannot be perfect, but at least go check if they could have done better. What failed.

The notion he can do nothing is ridiculous.



He already reached to the people of Orlando, yesterday.

This speech was a reaction to Trump.

Talking is his most powerful tool, its called the bully pulpit for a reason. He can't do anything unless Americans themselves enable him to, he's trying to hammer in a message to the american people which I think is slowly working.

 

[Brawly Likes to Brawl]

He's coming off as a frustrated and concerned citizen to me. Just wondering why the person running the country isn't able to do anything more than make a speech.

People have already explained multiple times why nothing further can be done.

 

[heliosRAzi]

it's only effect is making people convinced that Obama has his hands tied

No, that's just reality, unless I'm wrong.

You seem concentrated myopically on how congress is the blocking point for change.

If talking is everything he can do (I disagree but let's go with the premise),

I've already asked you what you think he should be doing and you answered "Anything." If you have a suggestion, lets hear it.

there are more effective places where he can do it. Address the obvious problem part of the muslim community seems to have about LGBT issues.

He probably wants to wait for more information before doing something like that. Information and possible motive has already changed so much since the incident.

The FBI had his sights on this guy. This is the second terrorist attack under Obama where intelligence had its sights on a terrorist and just stopped following him. Intelligence cannot be perfect, but at least go check if they could have done better. What failed.

You think he's not doing that right now?

 

[HStallion]

He's coming off as a frustrated and concerned citizen to me. Just wondering why the person running the country isn't able to do anything more than make a speech.

What is he supposed to do that he hasn't already? People say "executive action" but never much more like its some kind of panacea to the problems in the US. He isn't a damned Tyrant and blaming him like he had all the power to stop this is fucking foolish. He was speaking not even two weeks ago about the very situation that happened in Orlando and how his hands are tied by the unmovable members of Congress who vote against anything to do with guns. Obama could try and push a law allowing people to have bazookas and the NRA and GOP would probably still stand in his way just because of who he is and what he represents.

 

[Guileless]

Have to dovetail ISIS into everything and exploit it at every opportunity if you expect people to support a 30 year fight (i.e. perpetual war) against them.

Considering Paris and San Bernadino, do you think it's not newsworthy that he pledged allegiance to ISIS during the attack?

 

[Sai-kun]

Considering Paris and San Bernadino, do you think it's not newsworthy that he pledged allegiance to ISIS during the attack?

It's worth noting that

B) He also pledged to Al-Qaeda and Hezbollah on the same call, 3 groups who are shooting at each other presently. His grip on terror groups seems to topical at best.

 

[ElFly]

No, that's just reality, unless I'm wrong.

Again, he can do more. There's a world beyond congress.

He probably wants to wait for more information before doing something like that. Information and possible motive has already changed so much since the incident.

I don't think we are going to suddenly discover Omar was a russian undercover terrorist, so let's see him do something in this area already. Even if Omar was suddenly a russian sleeping cell, it'd be worth it.

You think he's not doing that right now?

I don't know? It's the second time (I think? it could easily be more) so it is clear whatever he did the first time around wasn't enough. If he did something the first time around.

But at least you admit that Obama is not hand tied by congress.

That's progress.

What is he supposed to do that he hasn't already? People say "executive action" but never much more like its some kind of panacea to the problems in the US. He isn't a damned Tyrant and blaming him like he had all the power to stop this is fucking foolish. He was speaking not even two weeks ago about the very situation that happened in Orlando and how his hands are tied by the unmovable members of Congress who vote against anything to do with guns. Obama could try and push a law allowing people to have bazookas and the NRA and GOP would probably still stand in his way just because of who he is and what he represents.

Myopic view of the universe.

 

[Ray Wonder]

What is he supposed to do that he hasn't already? People say "executive action" but never much more like its some kind of panacea to the problems in the US. He isn't a damned Tyrant and blaming him like he had all the power to stop this is fucking foolish. He was speaking not even two weeks ago about the very situation that happened in Orlando and how his hands are tied by the unmovable members of Congress who vote against anything to do with guns. Obama could try and push a law allowing people to have bazookas and the NRA and GOP would probably still stand in his way just because of who he is and what he represents.

Damn, I dunno man. I was just saying I understand where dude is coming from. Shit's tough right now.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Again, he can do more. There's a world beyond congress.

What is this "more"? Make it abundantly clear because he's the president. He probably knows more about what options are available to him than us here on a gaming message board. What more can he do?

 

[Ensirius]

Watching Anderson Cooper barely being able to read every single name of the victims was very hard.

 

[heliosRAzi]

Again, he can do more. There's a world beyond congress.

Such as...?

I don't know? It's the second time (I think? it could easily be more) so it is clear whatever he did the first time around wasn't enough. If he did something the first time around.

Dude, people slip through the cracks. Our anti-terrorism peeps aren't all powerful. They won't be able to stop everything. Obama admitted that in the speech.

But at least you admit that Obama is not hand tied by congress.

That's progress.

I did?

 

[ElFly]

What is this "more"? Make it abundantly clear because he's the president. He probably knows more about what options are available to him than us here on a gaming message board. What more can he do?

I ... already mentioning at least two things in that very same post you quoted?

I did?

And we're trying to tell you why he can't do much. The reasons why he can't are relevant because he can't break the law.

???

Dude, people slip through the cracks. Our anti-terrorism peeps aren't all powerful. They won't be able to stop everything. Obama admitted that in the speech.

Obama already has one of the biggest surveillance machines in history at his disposal. Either fucking use it or tore it down. This is not slipping under the cracks, just plain old failure.

 

[HStallion]

Damn, I dunno man. I was just saying I understand where dude is coming from. Shit's tough right now.

Sorry didn't mean to come off so harsh on you, just getting a bit heated in this thread

 

[Guileless]

It's worth noting that

Certainly, but to see a media conspiracy to start a 30 year war against ISIS in the fact that hours after a mass shooting outlets reported his reference to ISIS is absurd. And while I'm sure most Americans would be unable to give many details about those three organizations, most (including the killer) would recognize them generally as Islamist and anti-American.

 

[EdibleKnife]

I ... already mentioning at least two things in that very same post you quoted?

And like helios mentioned, anti-terrorism isn't an end all be all and the issue with our guns and these tragedies extends beyond even just people being observed for by the FBI for their suspicious activities. So what is there beyond that? How do you want him to get past the NRA?

 

[PepsimanVsJoe]

???

So are you suggesting that the President should break the law?

 

[heliosRAzi]

???

You want him to break the law?

Obama already has one of the biggest surveillance machines in history at his disposal. Either fucking use it or tore it down. This is not slipping under the cracks, just plain old failure.

It is huge and vast and people can still fall through the cracks. It isn't infallible. It makes mistakes. It doesn't catch everything.

 

[HStallion]

It is huge and vast and people can still fall through the cracks. It isn't infallible. It makes mistakes. It doesn't catch everything.

Don't you understand? Obama should have created precrime from Minority Report to stop all these crimes before they happen!

 

[ElFly]

And like helios mentioned, anti-terrorism isn't an end all be all and the issue with our guns and these tragedies extends beyond even just people being observed for by the FBI for their suspicious activities. So what is there beyond that? How do you want him to get past the NRA?

Assuming anti terrorism is at its limits (I disagree but let's go with it), there's still the issue of addressing intolerance against homosexuality in certain religions. Obama is not stopped there by anything, as a world leader he has channels to religious leaders he can try to convince to try to moderate this intolerance.

If the NRA is invincible, attack the problem from other angles. Maybe America will always have trillions of guns. But other countries with tons of guns have less murders than America.

There are way more things possible to do than just go "Congress is against me, cannot do shit, FBI is at its limits, cannot do shit".

And certainly more things to do than just do a speech to answer Trump's stupid tirade of the day.

 

[FreezeSSC]

Assuming anti terrorism is at its limits (I disagree but let's go with it), there's still the issue of addressing intolerance against homosexuality in certain religions. Obama is not stopped there by anything, as a world leader he has channels to religious leaders he can convince to moderate.

There are way more things possible to do than just go "Congress is against me, cannot do shit, FBI is at its limits, cannot do shit".

OK so your just trolling now, or are you really this dense? Please consider your actions in a thread about a significant tragedy. And to put it bluntly, many of those religious leaders are Republican and hate Obama anyways, they'd probably want him shot too.

 

[Guileless]

I recommend Jamelle Bouie: Why Obama Can’t Do Anything About Guns

For as much as Americans support stricter gun laws, we lack the kind of dedicated, organized effort that could translate that mood into policy. Sure, there have been moves by Michael Bloomberg to push gun control into the political mainstream, the first real attempt to create a structural counterpart to the gun lobby. But even that is anemic compared with what the NRA and its allies have at their disposal.

So if you support efforts at gun control, don’t look to the president. The answer is to replicate the efforts of the gun-rights movement, from fully aligning the Democratic Party on the side of gun control, to leveraging grassroots action, to pressuring lawmakers, to punishing politicians—left and right—who don’t show the same commitment to restricting gun access. The president plays a part here—particularly in making gun control a Democratic Party priority again—but it’s ultimately a modest one, an advocate’s role.

 

[HStallion]

Assuming anti terrorism is at its limits (I disagree but let's go with it), there's still the issue of addressing intolerance against homosexuality in certain religions. Obama is not stopped there by anything, as a world leader he has channels to religious leaders he can try to convince to try to moderate this intolerance.

If the NRA is invincible, attack the problem from other angles. Maybe America will always have trillions of guns. But other countries with tons of guns have less murders than America.

There are way more things possible to do than just go "Congress is against me, cannot do shit, FBI is at its limits, cannot do shit".

And certainly more things to do than just do a speech to answer Trump's stupid tirade of the day.

So are you just using this tragedy at this point for some simple minded, selfish and down right callous crusade against Obama not being... able to do more? Seriously man, cut this shit out, its getting disgusting and offensive.

 

[Ray Wonder]

I wonder what the answer of extreme gun supporters would be if you asked:

"If every gun on the planet disappeared simultaneously; would the world be a better or worse place?"