Gator drags child into water near Disney's Grand Floridian

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Christ, maybe what they say is true: Bad luck comes in threes. First that Voice singer is murdered, then the nightclub shooting, and now an alligator kills a little boy. All of this in a few days in the same damn city. Its crazy to think about.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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There have been literally thousands of those nightly movies shown in the very same spot, but this is the first time this is happened. No swimming to me means "dont enter the water"
Yeah, you can't project your experience onto others. Definitely, not to a 2 year old. Most other attractions in Disney world have a physical barrier that separates you from any dangerous animal or situation. It would be akin of removing a fence around a roller coaster and replacing them with signs.

I wouldn't even go near the water, after this. But it's a man made attraction that's inherently dangerous. Most people don't assume standing in 2 feet of water is dangerous enough to require persistent hand holding.

And Disney has a few other options: life guards, for one. If a lightning storm rolls thru, don't they send people out to warn them? Don't they stop people from going into pools if it's lightning in the area? Don't they close if a tornado is in the area?

All things we know to be dangerous but Disney takes extra precautions to limit access. Messages over the loud speaker.

Yet, they couldn't assign one person to keep small kids out of the water? A sign is lazy as fuck for a billion dollar park.
 

DarkKyo

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Christ, maybe what they say is true: Bad luck comes in threes. First that Voice singer is murdered, then the nightclub shooting, and now an alligator kills a little boy. All of this in a few days in the same damn city. Its crazy to think about.

Shitty existential horror happens all over the world every single day. There are likely countries/cities that have seen 3 horrible atrocities in one day, never mind scattered throughout a week.
 

Astral Dog

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Why Disney deserves to be sued?

This seems like a tragic accident, there were some people saying how the employees were quick to remove any animals from the park.or that is very rare to see an alligator close to Disney.
 

dave is ok

aztek is ok
Why Disney deserves to be sued?

This seems like a tragic accident, there were some people saying how the employees were quick to remove any animals from the park.or that is very rare to see an alligator close to Disney.
If I were a lawyer, I would argue that a fence should have been built on that waterfront or that the park didn't take all the necessary measures to ensure dangerous animals weren't able to attack their guests.
 
who builds a fake beach next to a lagoon with gators?

Disney wise up! use artificial pools or something away from the swamps, lakes, lagoons.
 

Chucker

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Why Disney deserves to be sued?

This seems like a tragic accident, there were some people saying how the employees were quick to remove any animals from the park.or that is very rare to see an alligator close to Disney.

In general they are, I've been going almost twice yearly for the past ten years (Wife is a travel agent, other wise lol no way), and I've seen a Gator on property maybe twice?

Things happen though, and alligators don't respond well to signage telling them to beat it.
I also am under the assumption that if there is water, there is dangerous animals waiting to destroy me in Florida.

who builds a fake beach next to a lagoon with gators?

Disney wise up! use artificial pools or something away from the swamps, lakes, lagoons.
The Seven Seas Lagoon is a man made lagoon. The inter connecting canals make it extremely difficult to keep all sorts of wildlife out. They can only do so much, awareness is the best prevention.
 

Elginer

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As someone who grew up near Pulse, and who's mother has worked for Disney for the past 10 years, let me clarify some shit;

There are signs all over Disney that specify no swimming or wading on almost, if not all, bodies of water surrounding the resorts. Generally, if a cast member sees you anywhere near bodies of water they will call you out. Its not like they will just stroll by while you put yourself in danger. However, if you choose to still disregard blantant signs and warnings, that is your responsibility entirely. Its not Disney's fault you decided to go near massive bodies of water, at night especially, to swim or fuck around. While i am not blaming the parents, this kind of thing is completely spontaneous, people do need to be more aware that Florida is not clear waters. Florida is a swamp. We are a massive state filled to the brim with wildlife at every damn corner. Disney can only tame so much of that.

Also, for those who dont know, Florida is a massive swamp. Every body of water has wildlife in it, gators especially. We cannot control this to the high extent people think we can. They are everywhere and produce rapidly. There are people who hunt them daily and sell their meat as jerky and other products for a living but that still only diminishes their population ever so slightly. If you live in Florida, you know not to go near rogue bodies of water. There are lakes/springs we go to that are controlled or bordered off from gators for swimming and recreational use. Not every place is like this though so when you come to Florida, it is almost always swim at your own risk. Thats just the way it is here. We cant change that and we make grand efforts to but its pretty fucking difficult when this whole state is a massive swamp overflowing with dangerous wildlife.

Yep. As an Orlando native we know not to fuck around and Disney has not permitted any swimming in those areas for years for exactly those reasons.
 

DrEvil

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I know this is in poor taste, but this was unfortunately one of the first things that popped into my head after hearing about this.

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I've been to that resort, I've been on that lake, and I never knew there were gators in there. I'm surprised there's ANYTHING in there, to be honest. Figured Disney would have cleansed that lake during construction.
 
There have been literally thousands of those nightly movies shown in the very same spot, but this is the first time this is happened. No swimming to me means "dont enter the water"

What you think a sign means has no merit when it comes to what the sign actually says. I've seen plenty of bodies of water that said no swimming but standing in the water was not only allowed but encouraged. A different warning is needed if you want people to stay away from the water completely.

Let's say you passed by a fountain that had a sign that said no swimming, pretty common right. Well you go to the fountain, put your hand in the water, and something built into the fountain damages your hand. Now you said a no swimming sign to you means don't enter the water. Would you think you were properly warned in that instance?


Why Disney deserves to be sued?

This seems like a tragic accident, there were some people saying how the employees were quick to remove any animals from the park.or that is very rare to see an alligator close to Disney.

Coronado Springs has had gators in their lake for years. Disney doesn't remove them until they reach a certain size.
 

AkumaNiko

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What you think a sign means has no merit when it comes to what the sign actually says. I've seen plenty of bodies of water that said no swimming but standing in the water was not only allowed but encouraged. A different warning is needed if you want people to stay away from the water completely.

Let's say you passed by a fountain that had a sign that said no swimming, pretty common right. Well you go to the fountain, put your hand in the water, and something built into the fountain damages your hand. Now you said a no swimming sign to you means don't enter the water. Would you think you were properly warned in that instance?



Oh come on, you're comparing a water fountain that usually poses no dangers to a large body of water in a state that have been recently featured on the news for its extreme wildlife? Im sorry that some people have no common sense and ignore signs, A no swimming sign should be a common warning that there just maybe something wrong with that water. Its just like that kid at 6 flags that has is head taken off for ignoring similar signs.
 

captive

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this is horrible. and unfortunate tragedy. I cant even imagine losing my 22 month old son.



But for all of you asking, you seem like your not parents, it only takes a second for shit to go down. As a parent i can't tell you how many times ive been watching my son and you look away for a second and he's fallen and hurt himself somehow.

Also whats with all the "swimming with gators" millions of people go swimming in the ocean every day with freaking sharks, its an inherent risk. As much as we like to think we're top of the food chain, we're no where near it when we're in their element.
 
I've been to that resort, I've been on that lake, and I never knew there were gators in there. I'm surprised there's ANYTHING in there, to be honest. Figured Disney would have cleansed that lake during construction.

It's a man-made lake.

Gators should be assumed to be in any warm, freshwater body of water larger than a small pond in the South. That and brain-eating amoebas.
 

Haruko

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who builds a fake beach next to a lagoon with gators?

Disney wise up! use artificial pools or something away from the swamps, lakes, lagoons.

They have plenty of artificial pools for guests to swim in. All WDW resorts have at least one, with some having as many as four. All of them are outdoor and heated. The Grand Floridian has two.
 

andthebeatgoeson

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who builds a fake beach next to a lagoon with gators?

Disney wise up! use artificial pools or something away from the swamps, lakes, lagoons.
I know. People stop at the signs and say, 'Welp, they did everything they could.' No, they didn't. They built a beach next to alligator city. Why not put the next attraction next to a four lane highway?

How about not building a beach that leads into alligator water? I know, seems ridiculous. I always build my fake beaches next to alligator lagoons, i mean, who doesn't?

Yep. As an Orlando native we know not to fuck around and Disney has not permitted any swimming in those areas for years for exactly those reasons.

Good thing only Orlando residents visit Disney world.
 

nampad

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When I did a cycling tour through the everglades there were gators right next to us in the water with nothing to stop them from getting to us.

When we asked the park ranger (or what he was called?) about it he said the gators won't come out because it is too hot and they are lazy, they would only chill.

Not sure if that is the right idea when something like this can happen.
 

AkumaNiko

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I know. People stop at the signs and say, 'Welp, they did everything they could.' No, they didn't. They built a beach next to alligator city. Why not put the next attraction next to a four lane highway?

How about not building a beach that leads into alligator water? I know, seems ridiculous. I always build my fake beaches next to alligator lagoons, i mean, who doesn't?



Good thing only Orlando residents visit Disney world.

well disney cant keep people without common sense from entering their parks

"Deep drop off"
"No Swimming"

Is a warning, not a suggestion. Its a tragic situation, but hopefully others will learn (not likely) from this
 
They really do need to put up gator warnings. People see the no swimming and take it literally and end up wading in the water or walking in it.
 

Haruko

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I know. People stop at the signs and say, 'Welp, they did everything they could.' No, they didn't. They built a beach next to alligator city. Why not put the next attraction next to a four lane highway?

How about not building a beach that leads into alligator water? I know, seems ridiculous. I always build my fake beaches next to alligator lagoons, i mean, who doesn't?

They built the fake beach on the edge of their fake man-made lagoon, that alligators eventually found their own way into.

As alligators are known to do with any body of freshwater in Florida, as mentioned dozens of times in this thread. Even swimming pools and sewer lines.

If you're arguing that they shouldn't have built any beaches period, because of eventual alligator presence, then sure I suppose that is an option.

I believe back when MK opened, swimming was actually allowed in some areas of the lagoon, but that was pretty quickly stopped (Wikipedia says the original reason was that swimming was banned once rental boats on the lagoon became a thing).
 
Shitty existential horror happens all over the world every single day. There are likely countries/cities that have seen 3 horrible atrocities in one day, never mind scattered throughout a week.

I'm sure there is, but they until they are reported in the news like this, it's hard to care as much about something you know nothing about.
 
Oh come on, you're comparing a water fountain that usually poses no dangers to a large body of water in a state that have been recently featured on the news for its extreme wildlife? Im sorry that some people have no common sense and ignore signs, A no swimming sign should be a common warning that there just maybe something wrong with that water. Its just like that kid at 6 flags that has is head taken off for ignoring similar signs.

In the vast majority of the bodies of water I have visited that had no swimming signs actually standing in the water posed no threat whatsoever. A good portion of them had people playing with the water at the time I was there. So to say that a no swimming sign means completely stay out of the water is just flat out false.

Most Disney World guests are not from Florida and many are not even from the US. So you have to forgive them if they didn't know alligators roamed man made beaches when there isn't a single sign on the property mentioning them. It's not like they jumped in a swamp, the beaches have white sand and look like any other normal beach does.
 

qcf x2

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this is horrible. and unfortunate tragedy. I cant even imagine losing my 22 month old son.



But for all of you asking, you seem like your not parents, it only takes a second for shit to go down. As a parent i can't tell you how many times ive been watching my son and you look away for a second and he's fallen and hurt himself somehow.

Also whats with all the "swimming with gators" millions of people go swimming in the ocean every day with freaking sharks, its an inherent risk. As much as we like to think we're top of the food chain, we're no where near it when we're in their element.

Let's not compare swimming in an ocean, the ocean, to a significantly smaller, enclosed body of water.

Separately, not saying Disney is to blame or isn't to blame, but it greatly behooves the city of Orlando to support Disney as much as possible. Without Disney, Orlando would be just another gas stop.
 

partime

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When I did a cycling tour through the everglades there were gators right next to us in the water with nothing to stop them from getting to us.

When we asked the park ranger (or what he was called?) about it he said the gators won't come out because it is too hot and they are lazy, they would only chill.

Not sure if that is the right idea when something like this can happen.

Might have been in the same park, we were literally feet next to a gator with it's mouth wide open, and we hurried away when we noticed it's children on the other side of the path.
 
My two daughters and I walked that beach less than a month ago. Everybody needs to stop armchairing parenting advice.

This is an horrific tragedy. I can't even begin to empathize with the parents...just...awful.
 

Haruko

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That first link seems to be exactly what they SHOULD be doing, imo (in addition to relocating them when able). Like that Wildlife Commission statement said (seen in tweet in earlier post).

As for the second link, a change in sign verbage is primarily what I'm expecting to come out of this.
 

Faiz

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Yes, they do. Their minimum wage is higher than the federal minimum wage.

Disney brings a ton of jobs to FL, both directly and indirectly. WDW is basically its own city.




10mo old? I wouldn't do it. Wait a few years. The heat will be exhausting and there's really nothing for a <1yo to do.

We didn't bring our daughter to WDW until she was 5yo

We took our son at 9 months old and it was one of the best trips we've had since he was born. He spent a lot of time sleeping in the stroller and mom and dad had a rather peaceful trip. At 15 months it was an absolute bear. At 2 years old he was a little better but still a big struggle at times. When he was a little over three it started getting downright fun again as he was able to start enjoying more rides. This year he'll be a little over 4 and there are only a small handful of things he'll have to sit out.
 
When I did a cycling tour through the everglades there were gators right next to us in the water with nothing to stop them from getting to us.

When we asked the park ranger (or what he was called?) about it he said the gators won't come out because it is too hot and they are lazy, they would only chill.

Not sure if that is the right idea when something like this can happen.

You were in a national preserve not a lake on private property. You were in wild land and they should leave it just as it is. If it's too dangerous for you then don't go.
 

AkumaNiko

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In the vast majority of the bodies of water I have visited that had no swimming signs actually standing in the water posed no threat whatsoever. A good portion of them had people playing with the water at the time I was there. So to say that a no swimming sign means completely stay out of the water is just flat out false.

Most Disney World guests are not from Florida and many are not even from the US. So you have to forgive them if they didn't know alligators roamed man made beaches when there isn't a single sign on the property mentioning them. It's not like they jumped in a swamp, the beaches have white sand and look like any other normal beach does.

Sorry but no swimming means no swimming do not enter the freaking water. I don't know what decade you were born in but 80's and 90's kids know "no swimming" means don't enter the water. Being from a different state is not an excuse, that's even MORE reason to stay away from water with warning signs. If I see a lake I have never been to with a no swimming sign, I'm going the other direction

Not to mention who the hell lets their kid swim in an unknown body of water at night with no lighting?
 

LifEndz

Member
"Why didn't they tranq the beat" "why didn't anyone see the alligator."

Amazing. I guess some of the stuff I assume is common knowledge about animals really isn't.
 

CREMSteve

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Jesus, this is heartbreaking. That family is going to need an incredible amount of support and even then, it may not be enough.

I can't even imagine.
 
Absolutely horrific.... can't even imagine what I'd do in that situation. Also sadly I doubt there's going to be anything to find....
 
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