Heckler456
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Haven't followed the thread that closely. Why are you for leave?
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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Haven't followed the thread that closely. Why are you for leave?
IPA is disgusting so that fits.
BRITAIN ARE NOT QUITTERS, WE WILL NOT BACK DOWN, WE WILL NOT GO QUIETLY INTO THE NIGHT!!!!
unless it's a bit overcast and drizzly, in which case we will stay home
If remain was 6 points ahead, then potentially you would see a 'no point getting wet' attitude, but all the polls suggest there is near 10/10 intention to vote amongst both camps
Crucially however, the 18-24 demo graph has shown a big move of intention to vote, which is obviously good for you remain voters
Flintty
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lifa-cobex
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I've only been occasionally peeking in this thread myself. Been mostly in the Reddit thread.
Obviously lots of reasons why I want to leave/ stay but overall nothing really benefits me as part of the working class.
I'm not strongly in this camp. I'm just leaning into it.
the_batman
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Haven't been following this AT ALL, mainly because of the stupid nickname. "Brexit"? Really?
But wouldn't it be more beneficial for england roto leave?
But wouldn't it be more beneficial for england roto leave?
the_batman
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Please don't tell me you get your info from comedians.
One sec, let me watch it
Flintty
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Nothing new there. Our papers always get nasty and personal around election time - I expected no different with this vote.
A. It's not England, it's the United Kingdom.
B. Not necessarily, as the UK, and many other economies, join common markets for a reason.
Do you know anything at all about Last Week Tonight?
QuicheFontaine
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You are persistant, I'll give you that!
Oh God, I don't know if you're just wearing me down at this point but on the walk to work this morning some doubts started to creep into my mind, of the "You know, things are really not that bad" variety. Is this the dreaded swing to status quo that I've heard about?
Edit:
I've read some rubbish in this thread, but this takes the cake.
Heckler456
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How would your life be different / better with the UK out of the EU, specifically?
Fine, here's a quick run down:
-Almost ever expert and institution agrees that leaving would severely damage the economy.
-In many cases (e.g. immigration) the Leave campaign aren't actually promising what their voters think.
-No one has any idea what the plan is if we leave. We're not voting for leave and remain part of the EEA, or leave and go completely our own way, we're voting for leave and then we'll figure it out as we go along.
-Leaving would reduce our international influence.
-Leaving would remove a lot of the EU protections on matters such as workers' rights, allowing the government to fuck us over even more than they currently are.
It's a pity Cameron can't give an honest answer on the immigration question, which would be, "The figures I came up with were all bluster, I knew I couldn't meet them at the time, but Britain leaving the EU wouldn't make them any more realistic - the only real hope would be everywhere outside of the United Kingdom being taken out by a biblical flood. Fingers crossed." Instead I just have to watch him weasel about and make an awkward segway into talking about the economy in a way that just looks bad.
Corbyn's line of "Immigration isn't necessarily bad" could, sadly, be electoral suicide.
Corbyn's line of "Immigration isn't necessarily bad" could, sadly, be electoral suicide.
QuicheFontaine
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Jezbollah
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The thing is, the Leave side couldn't give any kind of number for the immigration targets when challenged in yesterday's date, they kept saying that they would implement the Australian points based system.
It seems that no one really is comfortable coming out and giving any kind of target for this.
31GhostsIV
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I agree. My biggest problem with the whole scenario is how the narrative is about politicians. It's not about them, but their bickering has taking media precedence over giving the British public the genuine, unbiased facts.
Ironic Gove has been laying into 'experts'. Could you imagine a world where we relied on actual experts instead of narcissistic twat whistle politicians to run the country?
Also, when will the British public wake up and realise: The Sun headline = what Rupert Murdoch wants. Never give that pickled-looking asshole what he wants.
No, the EU breaking up is in Russia's strategic interest, so it uses one of its state propaganda outlets to try to advance that agenda.
I wouldn't worry, he's an action figure made in China of a Frenchman. What would they know of migrants?
Because everyone on both sides knows that britains economic future rests on immigration. It's the reason the UK is expected to be the largest economy in Europe in 20 years time, it's why we don't yet have the demographic time bomb Germany has. Every financial projection relies on immigration to keep pumping money and working people into the country.
The EU is the only thing protecting your workers and social rights from a Tory government. It is stunning that the working class in this country forget this.
The final thing to add, if you have a job I assume you would want to keep it. I would also assume you would want your friends and family to keep theirs. Voting for a recession means gambling with that.
It was the first time for me that I've actually listen to the debate on the BBC yesterday (first time as I did not listen/watch during GE, etc.).
Being a filthy EU immigrant, I can only vote for the mayor, not for GE or for this referendum.
I was a bit "shocked" when someone ask the lady for the Leave side how are they practically going to handle immigration and the response was a wonderful "non-answer".
"I can tell you what we will not do! We won't be like Cameron! TAKE BACK CONTROL!11ONE!".
Essentially, they have not a single clue of what they will be doing if they will win.
How can people trust them, if they can't even provide the most basic answer to a very basic question?
Being a filthy EU immigrant, I can only vote for the mayor, not for GE or for this referendum.
I was a bit "shocked" when someone ask the lady for the Leave side how are they practically going to handle immigration and the response was a wonderful "non-answer".
"I can tell you what we will not do! We won't be like Cameron! TAKE BACK CONTROL!11ONE!".
Essentially, they have not a single clue of what they will be doing if they will win.
How can people trust them, if they can't even provide the most basic answer to a very basic question?
People like catchy soundbites. While I don't think that one landed, it could be tha-TAKE BACK CONTROL!!!
phisheep
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Probably.
But really, better have those doubts now before voting than suddenly coming to your senses Friday morning and thinking to yourself "why the fuck did I do that".
You've heard all the arguments many times over, I won't push you again, but y'know - vote with your head, or it could be a long long hangover.
PJV3
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Nothing new, I remember things like this.
Oh I know.
But Cameron could still be PM for a while yet, they usually put the boot in if they know they're on the winning side.
milanbaros
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Bingo. Britain's future economic prospects rely on immigration. If Britain is to remain an economic force in the 21st century immigration is needed. It's as simple as that.
The moment they put a figure on it all sorts of models, including the office for budget responsibility, will come out and show that it will be a disaster.
the_batman
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Seems like both sides are being too vague about this.
Leavers say they want to empower brits and Remainers want to keep a stable economy.
How severely would the economy be damaged and for how long?
Is the UK really that dependent on the EU?
Concerning worker's rights, doesn't the EU favor migrants? These migrants would take the jobs of current residents while getting paid less.
Leavers main supporters seem to be ultra nationalists and bigots.
Considering all this, there doesn't seem to be a good enough reason to leave, at least not yet.
Miles Quaritch
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It's no coincidence Turkey and a veto to their never going to happen ascension were such focal points last night.
Broken Joystick
At least you can talk. Who are you?
Shame thats old copy pasta though.
PJV3
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How can you not recognise the Welsh language? Ignorance, I know but.
milanbaros
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There can be no way that is true, right?
That Wales story is basically a chain e-mail that's somehow found its way into national newspapers. I struggle to believe it for the same reason I struggle to believe Tesco won't serve members of our armed forces because it might offend Muslims, though it's obviously somewhat more believable.
I couldn't agree more. The fact that such a monumental decision has turned into a war of egos just shows how fucked up UK politics is atm (although in comparison to America we still look good)I agree. My biggest problem with the whole scenario is how the narrative is about politicians. It's not about them, but their bickering has taking media precedence over giving the British public the genuine, unbiased facts.
Ironic Gove has been laying into 'experts'. Could you imagine a world where we relied on actual experts instead of narcissistic twat whistle politicians to run the country?
Also, when will the British public wake up and realise: The Sun headline = what Rupert Murdoch wants. Never give that pickled-looking asshole what he wants.
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