Succinct Verbosity
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I like Corbyn, but even I'm left to ask "who is this guy?". I've basically forgotten the Labour Party exists.
Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016
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I like Corbyn, but even I'm left to ask "who is this guy?". I've basically forgotten the Labour Party exists.
They came to the conclusion the burden is worth being part of the eu. They do tons of business in the eu as opposed to weatherspoons.
ferrasvansen
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He also wants to bring in even cheaper wine and shitier food if that was at all feasible from outwith EU, i still have nightmares about a trip to a York weatherspoons i made in 2005, yuk.
you make a point that is worth exploring, I hear a lot of the time people say it is not EU's fault but your Goverments fault that allow people like him to exist....
So if Goverment can not grow the balls to deal with people like him and Mike Ashley (you should read the article on the town that is located where his warehouse is, if you want to see what mass immigration can do to a area) then how can we trust them to provide the infrastructure needed going forward
Ah I see. A guy I used to work with graduated in 2008 so suddenly found traineeships very difficult to get. Ended up just working in marketing and helping people with some advice on the side for landlords and the like.
Thornton Reed
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after plenty of back an forth I've decided to vote Remain.
Mainly due to the terrible campaign run by Leave. Focussing so much on immigration has been a massive turn off. I do believe there is possibly a good reason to leave but we've not heard it as leave would rather it pandered to peoples fears over immigration.
Also if you're siding with the daily mail, britain first, farage and alexander boris de pfeffel johnson you're obviously doing something wrong
Mainly due to the terrible campaign run by Leave. Focussing so much on immigration has been a massive turn off. I do believe there is possibly a good reason to leave but we've not heard it as leave would rather it pandered to peoples fears over immigration.
Also if you're siding with the daily mail, britain first, farage and alexander boris de pfeffel johnson you're obviously doing something wrong
PJV3
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Depending on what happens this week and possibly the next 2 years, that might be a good thing.
EU referendum- a load of high profile right wingers flinging shit at each other.
It could be worse for them... They could be the the libdems!
I would vote labour in the future but at the moment Corbyn is unelectable and labour have got themselves into the SNP trap of blaming the torys for everything but not having anything useful to add.
And a load of left wingers accusing everyone else of being racist, it's been a super fun month!
zorlaczerohero
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I've largely kept out of the debate (shit posting) on Facebook between my friends because I now live in Australia and don't feel qualified to push my opinion. But I've broken the brexit argument down to it's ultimate conclusion. Osborne or Johnson (I know Theresa May exists and may surprise us, but is her deafening silence really what the people want or is she playing the long game?). A leave vote will see Johnson take control of the government, a remain vote will probably see Osborne take control. The question is who's worse? Well they're both upper class cock wombles and come the revolution I'd be hard pushed to decide which one to call to the wall first, so it becomes which is easier to get rid of at the next General Election, and the answer is Osborne. He's already pissed off huge swathes of the UK populace, he has a face that even a mother could punch. If leave wins then we have Boris, who for some reason people like. Just because he acts like a complete fuckwit people believe the affable buffoon angle. He will be seen as new blood and disconnected from current leadership, giving the Tories the possibility of another term. Which of course could be the reason Theresa May is keeping her head down.
So I'm voting remain because it's the best chance for a change in government at the next GE.
The rest of the arguments are mostly shite, just hyperbole giving us the worst possible scenarios from the outcome. The only thing both sides seem to agree on is that the NHS is fucked if the other side wins....
So I'm voting remain because it's the best chance for a change in government at the next GE.
The rest of the arguments are mostly shite, just hyperbole giving us the worst possible scenarios from the outcome. The only thing both sides seem to agree on is that the NHS is fucked if the other side wins....
ferrasvansen
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We cant trust our government especially not a tory one who has always basked in exploiting the poor working class to make everyone else richer, saddest thing for me was despite Labours attempts in 1997 onwards, they did not do anywhere near enough to rebalance the situation, and now the poor have jumped on the lets blame EU instead of who actually is to blame, nothing will change if we Brexit apart from more austerity, sad but true.
This is also why I can't fathom leftys getting into bed with these type of hyper neoliberal nutcases.
I dont know what you legal expertise is, but when buying a house I had a hell of a time finding a conveyancer who was not charging a small fortune
I thought at the time, there is money to be made here as a internet company
High five!
In short: You don't believe the experts because you don't want to believe the experts.
I'm sure I wrote something a while back about the nature of belief in politics, I'll see if I can find it.
Edit: Got it -
ferrasvansen
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Sadiq was quite right on calling out Gisella Stuart last night for that reason, absolutely shocking for anyone in the Labour party to go to bed with Johnson and Gove. Shows utter disregard for the working class, i grew up in Glasgow in the 70s and 80s, where some days we couldnt eat and had to beg for help off the church etc. I always believed it would get better, now with food banks etc it is way worse, austerity has made the poor even poorer and Osborne and his cronies richer, sad stuff.
Haha this just about sums it up.
Perhaps on balance they see it working out somewhat better for themselves. It would seem that the larger and more interconnected and interdependent a company is with European trade the more likely they are in favour of remaining in the EU.
I would argue that that those who are in favour of leaving see they themselves as less dependent on European trade and better positioned to take advantage in a post brexit UK.
As an example there are a large number of financial services companies who are strongly in favour of remaining, to the point of some sending letters and advice to their staff (Google markerstudy brexit for one).
Tax credits helped in the short term but in the long term just meant govt picking up what should be the employers tab. The Idea was decent but didn't take account of human nature.
So did the bonus £40 a week for a year with long term unemployed. Now they just get the stick and I fear for the sick and unemployed if we're voting out.
Yep food banks now being an accepted part of society is a huge disgrace and is truly how the tories legacy will be remembered by historians. It's a symbol of their entire time in govt.
Edit - I'm from paisley myself so I've seen how things have changed in the last 6 years hugely.
ferrasvansen
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So do i, they will be wheeled out by IDS into the fields to pick strawberries and i am not joking i believe going by the Tory party right taking over after brexit , they will piss on the poor and sick and disabled. I have a sick nephew with late stage cystic fibrosis, and the trouble he had getting benefits when he applied made me resent the government and labour party for starting that shit so much i voted SNP for the one and only time in May.
jufonuk
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you left out Murdoch and the Sun
HazySaiyan
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The prevalance of food banks should be a point of national shame, and the fact that they're not is in itself shameful.
Billy_Pilgrim
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Was out campaigning with a very senior figure today.
Spoke to a 95 year old ww2 RAF pilot. Said it's breaking his heart to see the generation below him ruin the country while they sit safe on occupational pensions. He was sad that all that his generation fought for could be thrown away for the reasons they fought against.
Spoke to a 95 year old ww2 RAF pilot. Said it's breaking his heart to see the generation below him ruin the country while they sit safe on occupational pensions. He was sad that all that his generation fought for could be thrown away for the reasons they fought against.
Thornton Reed
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and katie hopkins
My mother went through the esa shit after being retired by the council. It was horrible then I worked in the tribunals office in Wellington st, I saw first hand normal people in need of help losing because they don't know the ins and outs of our confusing system.
Then you'd get the fucking ned with a fake bad back getting through because he knew it inside and out.
His generation fought against a unified Europe...
ferrasvansen
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Yeah the neds piss me off, my sister claims money for being a drunk and basket case, fucking annoys the shit out of me seeing the real ones demonised because of a few selfish individuals.
It's absolutely disgraceful how nobody cares about this being a normal part of our society. We're a hugely mean society now where nobody cares about anyone outside their circle until someone gets ill or loses their job then they see.
I remember when Cameron was challenged on it, and all he ever answers is 'we don't want that'
It's horrible. When they try to get the minority of cheaters it's always the normal people that actually need help that get caught out. Happens all the time with sanctions in jsa too because of technicality b.s.
jufonuk
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shit oh yeah.
ferrasvansen
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Yeh he says a lot of shit like that , sadly thats why a lot of working class will vote out, see it as revenge against Cameron and co when in reality only they will suffer, sigh such madness. He should have kept quiet, imho, him and Osborne.
Really?, you're comparing the rise of the Nazi's with the EU?
HazySaiyan
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This Thatcherite 'fuck you, got mine' attitude is an absolute cancer on British society. It's depressing.
And does he actually give a shit? Does he fuck, his policies are a direct cause of it.
Other businesses are not fond of crashing the economy for a number of years and retarding global growth in the process through increased uncertainty since it's not prudent. A pub chain is actually quite resilient in a recession since people still drink.
Dyson is transparent in his self interest - he was for the Euro at one point since it would make it cheaper to export to Europe.
The bulk of the economy is fucked on leave. I have never seen a consensus between the Unions and the Banks. Think about that. Avowed socialists and unfettered capitalists agree on this.
Dude.
you can't just ask a company nicely and expect them to do something. it needs legislation for a large change like that, or better unionisation / workers rights.
HazySaiyan
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Camp Freddie
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They fought fascism (and allowed some Polish immigrants to do a disproportionate share of the heavy lifting).
When they'd finished fighting, they set up institutions that would later lead to the EU.
Yep - we have to accept we'll have a minority of cheaters to stop those in need falling through the cracks. You'll never beat the minority because the only thing in their life is benefits so they know it inside and out.Ugh, this type of Kafka-esque nonsense is a blight on all modern governments.
ferrasvansen
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I think he is more worried about the rise of the far right here in the UK than Europe in all honesty.
phisheep
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Let me tell you about the ramifications on a small business then. I import nearly all my stock, priced in US dollars and euros, from China, Czech Republic and USA. If the pound tanks, my costs go up. So do most other people's costs. Most of my customers are on low incomes, so I can't increase prices, so I get less to live on.
If you get your 10-20 years of levelling out or whatever you call it, I lose out and my customers lose out.
I have a small but immediate dilemma. Do I order half a ton of stock today, or wait until Monday? The difference between a leave vote and a remain vote is significant in that decision and in the viability of my business.
ferrasvansen
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Yeah when you see the actual percentage of welfare given to fraudulant claims it barely registers on the chart.
Probably don't presume to tell the WW2 veteran what he fought for.
Dare to give more details how you mean this?
Billy_Pilgrim
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If it makes him feel any better, I spoke to plenty of baby boomers who wanted out to 'get rid of the immigrants'
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