Brexit |OT| UK Referendum on EU Membership - 23 June 2016

Did you vote for the side that is going to win?

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Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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I live in London and its the exact opposite of what you described.
 
RedSparrows said:
I gotta say, I absolutely love the pencil conspiracy, it encapsulates, perfectly, the paradox of conspiracy theories.

MASSIVE MANIPULATIVE ORGANISATION PLANS EPIC FRAUD
some twat with a twitter account spots how to circumvent their evil: use a pen!
MASSIVE MANIPULATIVE ORGANISATION IMPLODES FROM LACK OF FORESIGHT
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I just love the idea that MI5 was thinking of rubbing out votes instead of, you know, just "losing" some of the inconvenient ones.
 
Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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It was the same with the Scottish referendum. The majority of the population doesn't wear their political colours on their sleeve, just the ones looking for an argument.
 
I know I checked my paper very carefully, but I'm still paranoid that I screwed up and accidentally voted for Leave.

This referendum is making us crazy.
 
CCS said:
No respect being given for the GOAT here:

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Strawberry pencils/cables FTW.

Also like the small multi-core cables too.
Undead said:
I loved these when they were out but nobody remembers them.

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I remember them very well, they were amazing during their short life. They had real chocolate mousse inside - not the shitty fake 'mousse' they have in every other chocolate bar... but real, moist, chocolate mousse. They were amazing, but sadly the company that made them went under :(
 
Phil0sophy said:
And things will stay exactly the same, only to get progressively worse over time because people are buying into the scaremongering Cameron is putting forward.

I don't know how anybody can trust a word he says when he has outright lied on Tax Credits and disability cuts and the economy.

People are happy to have open borders and let free movement continue even if it is a risk to our national security and openly harms our public services, I don't see why people take such issue with us having a points based immigration system and tighter controls.

And before people say it, no, we can't have that if we remain because if it was possible it would have already been done, I understand there are risks to leaving and risks to staying but we have been in the EU for ages now and nothing has changed, is it really that massive of a risk if we leave?

I don't think so, the EU needs us more than we need them.
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You're assuming the very real likelihood of a major EU member leaving the project will have 0 impact on EU development, even if it doesn't leave. Combine this with migration pressures, rising nationalism et al, and you have an interesting couple of decades. This isn't happening in a vacuum. You're also ignoring the simple economic fact that, as it stands, our public services require immigration to even function, particularly with an ageing population. Is it a perfect system? No, not at all.

FWIW, I despise Cameron, but that doesn't mean I want to vote Leave. If we're doing it purely on personalities Leave is a fucking train-wreck.
 
does anyone else remember this dude

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also, I used to like the ice version of tizer

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tizer's been ruined now, the taste is bollocks now and look at this shit:

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wheres the edginess and cool
 
Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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It's strange. Everyone I talk to within Southampton wants to leave, everyone I talk to that lives outside the city wants to stay.

It'll be an interesting result regardless of which way it swings.
 
Ark said:
It's strange. Everyone I talk to within Southampton wants to leave, everyone I talk to that lives outside the city wants to stay.

It'll be an interesting result regardless of which way it swings.
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Yeah looking forward to either sides meltdown when results are in, whatever the decision we'll be fucked over, be it short term or long term.
 
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WELCOME TO EU REFERENDUM 2016!!! WOULD YOU LIKE INSTRUCTIONS?
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YOU ARE STANDING IN YOUR LOCAL POLLING STATION. IN FRONT OF YOU IS A BALLOT PAPER WITH TWO OPTIONS: "LEAVE" AND "REMAIN". WHICH OPTION DO YOU SELECT?
/leave

YOU HAVE DIED OF DYSENTERY

GAME OVER
 
Hazzuh said:
Regardless of how you feel, there is clearly far more solidarity between British people (for example) in general than there is between people who live on different sides of Europe.

The Eurozone crisis was a clear demonstration of that, northern European voters generally do not feel solidarity with people in Greece, Cyprus etc etc. That's why they punished them for being "reckless" and so on.

Feelings of solidarity between people in the same polity are necessary for any kind of social welfare for example. It's why we were able to introduce a welfare state after WW2 and why America has such problems with this, white voters there don't want their money going to minorities.

Just because you find things like patriotism/nationalism distasteful it doesn't mean you can pretend they don't exist.
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Makes sense. That solidarity (or lack thereof) seems irrational but I guess I can't deny that it exists.
His Majesty said:
Because England clearly has more in common with Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland than with Spain, Poland and Greece.

No need to put up a straw man here.
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And I have more in common with my neighbour than with someone living on a farm. In fact the South of England probably has more in common with parts of Northern Europe than with the North of England.

It's not a straw man. I think that splitting up the country would be no less ridiculous than splitting up the EU.
 
*Splinter said:
What ridicule? I have "a hard time identifying" with an entity the size of the UK - or even England - let alone the EU.

If we want out of Europe, why wouldn't we want out of the UK? And why do we insist on keep the North and South together? They are very clearly different. And then we'd still be lumping Bumfuck-On-Sea in with London - lunacy!

At what point did this argument become ridiculous?
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They prefer if you call it Burnham-on-Sea these days, I think.
 
Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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Same here. Then again, there is a "grassroots leave" shop here.
 
*Splinter said:
Makes sense. That solidarity (or lack thereof) seems irrational but I guess I can't deny that it exists.

And I have more in common with my neighbour than with someone living on a farm. In fact the South of England probably has more in common with parts of Northern Europe than with the North of England.

It's not a straw man. I think that splitting up the country would be no less ridiculous than splitting up the EU.
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Might as well join in a union with Russia and China then if language, currency, history and culture play no role. I find it really strange that you are not able to recognize the importance of such matters.
 
Phil0sophy said:
I admit it is but the reality is leave and remain present the same problems and the truth is nobody knows what the outcome of either will be.

One could take a calculated guess and assume that migration is only going to increase to unsustainable levels, this is what happens when you have free movement and unfortunatly whilst we are a part of the EU this is never going to change, that alone should worry people, we aren't a massive country and our public services thanks to this disgusting government are already at full stretch.

Also you have to say, the EU gets more from us than we get from them, no chance it will affect our trading leaving, they need our trade, for all the dire predictions on how our economy will fail none of it is actually rooted in any form of reality.
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In terms of economics, I defer to the vast majority of actual economists who suggest that Remain is a better bet for us. If we don't know what the outcome of either will be, I certainly don't want to then assume that the outcome of Leave will be a magically rosy picture of everyone turning up at Britain's door begging our indulgence. Far more likely to be at the other end of the scale.

'Unsustainable' is too loaded a term, you gotta break that down. Particularly when those same migrants actually help the system run.

Imagine this vote in the context of a social-democrat Labour government. Would your views change? I wonder for myself.
 
Rich! said:
does anyone else remember this dude

TIZER-CANS.png


also, I used to like the ice version of tizer

TIZER-ICE.png


tizer's been ruined now, the taste is bollocks now and look at this shit:

Tizer_Logo.png


wheres the edginess and cool
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Tizer is full of artificial sweeteners now so I won't touch it. I can't stand the taste of artificial sweeteners, horrid aftertaste. I'd rather just drink water. I see soft drinks as more of a treat than a source of hydration, so it irks me when they mess with the formulas and make them all 'healthy', just because some people don't understand how to consume in moderation.
Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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Leave is about change. And people make more noise for change. People don't normally say things when they just want them to stay the same.

I'll be hugely surprised if Leave wins, hugely surprised. But I think it'll be 60/40.

I just wish there was an option in the middle. I voted Remain - we can still always leave again in the future by voting for Farage as PM ;)
 
Hm.

I have two sets of grandparents (as is normal). Both are kinda well off but to significantly varying degrees. The wealthier pair are voting remain, and the other half are voting out.

I did go see the grandparents who are voting remain the other day, and they basically floored me with their arguments. Had no way to argue that anything other than remain would be a good outcome. Went to the others today and they, as lovely as they are, their main viewpoint came down to immigration.

So, it's curious to think about. You've got the basic standard middle and upper class pensioners who are likely voting out because of dem coloured folk and muslims, but the other side, the multi-millionaires with business ties and decades of tangible experience with europe are voting in

I voted in earlier btw
 
Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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Outspoken is the polite term for it.
 
His Majesty said:
Might as well join in a union with Russia and China then if language, currency, history and culture play no role. I find it really strange that you are not able to recognize the importance of such matters.
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I don't think Russia or China are interested in an equal union ;)

I'm also a little unsure on their human rights records.
 
Garjon said:
There is absolutely no campaign ads at all in Liverpool. I'm assuming no one bothers because they know which way the vote will go (I hope)
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Liverpool Lib Dems are campaigning in the south of the city for Remain, but there's not a huge number of people out and about. I'm at home job seeking.

Labour dominates this city at the moment, and they're extremely lazy campaigners.

UK Polling Report has the final two polls up - I guess they came up this morning. Populus have R 55 / L 45. Ipsos Mori have R 52 / L 48. Comres and YouGov both have positive polls for Remain too. With that information, I think my prediction is now for Remain, maybe R 53 / L 47.
 
Talents said:
Are Leave people just more outspoken than Remain people? Down my street alone there is like 10 Leave posters in windows and no Remain ones. I've only seen a couple of Remain ones in my whole village...
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Here I didn't see a single leave one, and only a few (giant) remain ones. Actually it's been fairly muted all round.
 
Rich! said:
Hm.

I have two sets of grandparents (as is normal). Both are kinda well off but to significantly varying degrees. The wealthier pair are voting remain, and the other half are voting out.

I did go see the grandparents who are voting remain the other day, and they basically floored me with their arguments. Had no way to argue that anything other than remain would be a good outcome. Went to the others today and they, as lovely as they are, their main viewpoint came down to immigration.

So, it's curious to think about. You've got the basic standard middle and upper class pensioners who are likely voting out because of dem coloured folk and muslims, but the other side, the multi-millionaires with business ties and decades of tangible experience with europe are voting in

I voted in earlier btw
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My grandmother was debating voting leave because of immigration, that would be fine and all if her husband didn't (e?)immigrate himself to this country and basically the rest of the family...
 
Garjon said:
There is absolutely no campaign ads at all in Liverpool. I'm assuming no one bothers because they know which way the vote will go (I hope)
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I live at the docks and I've seen plenty of Labour members/supports hand out flyers for Remain around city centre area, haven't seen a single one for Leave but that's expected since Liverpool is Labour and quite Liberal. Beside most people already know what they will be voting for so it doesn't really matter.
 
blahness said:
UTZ is based out of southern Pennsylvania, so if you are ever in the Washington DC/Pennsylvania/Maryland/Virginia area, you will see UTZ brand everywhere.
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I was in DC (Crystal City) and didn't see them. That said, I wasn't looking for them. I should be going back in 6 months time so I'll look and find a thread to report my findings!
 
ferrasvansen said:
More than likely she was trying to influence voters which is illegal in a polling station. So police were right to be involved in that case.
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Someone I know said there was a Sun newspaper, face-up, front-page bared, on the desk near the voter lists at his station. He, rightly, complained.
 
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