Is this berserk musou dlc real? (PTSD casca)

HStallion said:
They didn't for a long time. I remember Borders did carry it when they were open but they often had them plastic wrapped and I always felt like a dick unwrapping stuff like that.
Click to expand...
Are there any 18+ manga that aren't wrapped? I know new volumes of Battle Royale and Gantz come with shrink-wrap.
 
Reila said:
Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.
Click to expand...
This mindset accomplishes literally nothing

There should absolutely be an expectation that such heavy subjects be covered with tact, but no topic is off-limits in fiction. Atrocities are a part of real life.
 
Slashlen said:
They got on the boat in Chapter 278, which got released in volume 27 in 2007, I don't know the exact YA date. They got off the boat in 342 which was in 2015.
Click to expand...
Damn
I stand corrected then
I guess it is because i started reading zerk around 5 years ago xp
 
NinjamicWZ said:
So it's content based on content that was sold.

That's "omg that's the obscure variant appearance from whatever panel in whatever issue/scene in whatever" ie: pretty much the basis of all superfluous fan service in action figures, dream games etc for anything that's ever been in a serialized comic or manga format. It's not "omg the rape, so hawt *beats dick while mashing buttons*" or "omg mentally ill abused woman *disregards human rights of nearest battered woman*"
Click to expand...

Yeah, but not even an obscure reference, just a pivotal plot point having an impact on basically half of the manga.

Popnbake said:
Skull Knight has said that what Guts wants for Caska may not be what she wants.

I wouldn't be surprised if we never get past Caska back.

If people want a strong female character, they're going to have look elsewhere in his group.
Click to expand...

I think we'll get back Casca, but just as said in your spoiler
just different to what she was, whether it's a different kind of broken or something else, like being way too reckless and getting killed soon after, or staying indefinitely on this island.
 
HStallion said:
He isn't wrong, it ventures some incredibly dark places and doesn't any away from depicting horrible acts in graphic detail. Not many things come close unless we are talking about shit like Crossed.
Click to expand...

I've read darker novels. Maybe as a Manga, sure. But he said Fiction in general which just isn't true.
 
Village said:
I really like bezerk actually

I like a lot of media I indulge in dont like all of it. Some of their attempts at truma and darkness come off better than others.

Guts cutting people in half is always cool

Learn to accept criticism of that thing you like.

Im not in the interest of babying folk.
Click to expand...

Haha well alright then. I wasn't sure what criticism was hidden in your post but if you would like to elaborate feel free.
 
Reila said:
Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.
Click to expand...

Sorry I have to disagree with some of your opinions including that rape shouldn't be used in fiction. Just because something is touchy or uncomfortable doesn't mean it shouldn't be used. This is from someone who was a victim/is a survivor of rape. Rape is bad everyone agrees on that, but in no way am I going to tell people that they shouldnt use it in fiction because I had/have to deal with it.
 
Palculator said:
It's also one image from completely optional content in the game, but that was enough to freak out. The rest of your argument doesn't really make sense either. I fail to see how it's a misdirection for Guts. Misdirecting how? Do you think the "attractiveness" of the outfit was supposed to lure him in? Because that's a weird assumption to make. As soon as he remembers all his comrades died he panics and asks where Casca is and when he goes over there he's obviously glad she's alive. Unless you meant to say he moves over to her to initiate sex because she's totes hot breh (which would be extremely weird) instead of simply wanting to get a response from her after she ignored his calls, I fail to see how the "attractiveness" of the outfit is part of a misdirection for Guts.
Click to expand...

Oh my fucking God. This guy doesn't not get it. Absolutely ridiculous.
 
Eolz said:
I think we'll get back Casca, but just as said in your spoiler
just different to what she was, whether it's a different kind of broken or something else, like being way too reckless and getting killed soon after, or staying indefinitely on this island.
Click to expand...

I don't think
"getting back Casca" fits within Berserk's narrative. What is done is done, all anyone can do is struggle forward. To undo trauma because that would be the good thing to happen would betray the moral of the whole story.

It's more likely that she will not be able to be cured and this will lead Guts to once again set his sights on Griffith. He will probably leave her on the island with the witches and the faeries, since it's relatively safe there.
 
Kuroyume said:
Of course they're going to recreate it. That scene (along with the deaths that accompany the betrayal) is what drives the story. The impetus for why the main character is on this journey. It would be like creating a new Batman propety without any mention of his parents being murdered in front of him. Or Spiderman without his uncle dying.

The outrage over this to me seems so frivolous... Like, you have an issue with Casca being in a wet oversized shirt following her rape? From a manga where a female character was nearly raped by a horse... A scene which follows that character grinding her vagina on the main character's sword? Or the satanic orgys with horned demons? Or Guts being molested himself? Or children being slaughtered all the time? The freaking manga opens up with the main character having sex with a demon that uses her sexuality to lure men to their deaths. I know there's the argument about context, but if you're a fan you already have it, and if you're new to the series the costume/DLC/whaetever wouldn't make you think twice.

This series is ripe with dark material, and it's always in your face about it. Fans praise the series for being so uninhibited about all types of violence. To try and act like that's not the case is being disingenuous. To sit here and deride Koei Tecmo for their promotional material seems ironic given the way the source material handles these things. I mean, this is an actual licensed statue that's been released: https://abload.de/img/gutscascaberserkcensokju93.jpg Which... Umm, was the cover of volume 13? I don't believe that's even an actual pose from the manga itself. Just a pose that was simply done for the cover. A very sexualized pose of Casca draped across Guts' body to sell the manga. I don't know how people can sit here and try to argue that there is a certain nauance to the manga's approach that is missing from what we've seen in the videogame stuff we've seen so far. To me, it's BERSERK. And that's all I see.
Click to expand...

Recreating it in the game is fine.

Why does it need to be sexy uguu dlc?
 
Reila said:
Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.
Click to expand...

If you're getting triggered from such themes it's best for you to avoid them, not go crying on internet forums building drama.
 
Reila said:
Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.
Click to expand...

Is a completely reductionist vision of what the whole arc represents, the build up to that moment and the significance to the history it presents and the world the manga created.

It accomplishes one of the most heartbreaking moments in manga ever wrote and drawn, is not just the act itself, is what it represents for the characters and their relationships that were build for dozens and dozens of chapters, is literally a representation of the hell the main character (and other characters) goes throught from that moment.

Is the ultimate reflection of the bleak, dark world the characters live in, totally depraved of their happiness, love, hopes and future, only awaiting for them an infinite struggle, that they decide to tackle anyway. All roots in that scene, in that moment.

And for that reason is an incredible powerful scene.

At the same time I understand that it's content is not for anyone, and that yeah some fucked up people may get an erection of of it, but I'm sure you can find plenty of people enjoying mindless gore in movies too, and yet here we are.

But, in no way I'm gonna accept the notion that it accomplishes nothing. Because I cried during that arc, and not many fictional works managed to do that.

(And I say this thinking that the marketing of Tecmo Koei is questionable)
 
Warxard said:
I've read darker novels. Maybe as a Manga, sure. But he said Fiction in general which just isn't true.
Click to expand...

And that is why I said depicted. It's manga, the art in conjunction with the story and everything else is what I'm talking about. Words can do a lot with your imagination but Between leaves nothing to the imagination. For good or bad its brutal in its depictions of violence and mayhem. I can name a lot of books where more fucked up stuff happens but Berserk gives it you in descriptive detail of an artist. Worse yet the story matches the art in taking you to incredible disturbing places.
 
Arkeband said:
I want to just dispel this myth because B&N sells Berserk in store, I just checked availability of a few stores near me, some had it and some didn't.

Stop making shit up please.
Click to expand...

I been to a Barnes and Noble in almost 8 years that has had it in stock. And when the tore in Georgia stopped selling them there the manager told me to my face they stopped carrying it. Even here in Temecula California they don't carry it. I even asked for them to search their stock and the girl said they never carried it in their store. I never bothered to check the online store anymore because it's overpriced.

How about you calm down and not tell me that "I'm making shit up." You could have easily corrected me without having to be condescending. It's not like I'm out to bring down that over priced brick and mortar store since I'm still stupid enough to go there.
 
Weltall Zero said:
Gross, but to be fair, it's not like the manga was the epitome of tastefulness in the first place. I'm sorry Berserk fans, having a beloved character graphically raped to show how dark the work is is a cheap shot (and an unoriginal one at that), not masterful storytelling.
Click to expand...
Inuhanyou said:
From what i've read of Berserk so far based on recommendations, its uncomfortable how much rape is actually used in the manga, even outside of 'contextually powerful scenes' like mentally and physically breaking a previously competent and strong female character to the point of being comical. If it was just that and maybe a few more, it would be fine because it mattered to the base series and what it was trying to tell.

However, all manner of creature, and a certainly many situations devolve into nothing but that, and while i understand its the view of the world to be unforgiving...i can't separate certain scenes as little more than shock value.
Click to expand...
JCG said:
For those who haven't read the original work, there are several panels in the Eclipse section of the Berserk manga that are in fact transparently sexualizing rape, to a greater or lesser extent, even if the surrounding context is also treating it as a shocking event. In other words, there is a clear duality of horror and eroticism involved in the original depiction.
Click to expand...
Totally agreed.

Eolz said:
Well, do you really think the rape part was not going to be shown at all in an adaptation, when it has a major role on the whole story?
It's not just about Casca, but about
Guts' inability to stop it, pushing his need for revenge even further while also making him more considerate to take care of her, and suffer about how she's not recognizing anything anymore.
Click to expand...
The whole thing was never about Casca, it's all about Guts.
 
Kuroyume said:
Of course they're going to recreate it. That scene (along with the deaths that accompany the betrayal) is what drives the story. The impetus for why the main character is on this journey. It would be like creating a new Batman propety without any mention of his parents being murdered in front of him. Or Spiderman without his uncle dying.

The outrage over this to me seems so frivolous... Like, you have an issue with Casca being in a wet oversized shirt following her rape? From a manga where a female character was nearly raped by a horse... A scene which follows that character grinding her vagina on the main character's sword? Or the satanic orgys with horned demons? Or Guts being molested himself? Or children being slaughtered all the time? The freaking manga opens up with the main character having sex with a demon that uses her sexuality to lure men to their deaths. I know there's the argument about context, but if you're a fan you already have it, and if you're new to the series the costume/DLC/whaetever wouldn't make you think twice.

This series is ripe with dark material, and it's always in your face about it. Fans praise the series for being so uninhibited about all types of violence. To try and act like that's not the case is being disingenuous. To sit here and deride Koei Tecmo for their promotional material seems ironic given the way the source material handles these things. I mean, this is an actual licensed statue that's been released: https://abload.de/img/gutscascaberserkcensokju93.jpg Which... Umm, was the cover of volume 13? I don't believe that's even an actual pose from the manga itself. Just a pose that was simply done for the cover. A very sexualized pose of Casca draped across Guts' body to sell the manga. I don't know how people can sit here and try to argue that there is a certain nauance to the manga's approach that is missing from what we've seen in the videogame stuff we've seen so far. To me, it's BERSERK. And that's all I see.
Click to expand...

I agree with you for the most part, however this is taking i think new lows, because the context is further away removed.
It's a step into a direction the marketing for the manga already had took, but takes it a step further, essentially.
 
Mista Koo said:
The whole thing was never about Casca, it's all about Guts.
Click to expand...

Guts wouldn't be like this if not for Casca, and vice-versa. No spoilers there, but saying it's not about Casca make it sound like you've never read the manga.
Guts, Casca and Griffith's destinies are all linked.
 
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

Did you forget all the context of the eclipse
with everyone getting killed, abominations and monsters everywhere, what Griffith became, etc
?
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

In the manga it is mentioned that she was cursed. Maybe it's got something to do with the demon baby.

I think Guts and Griffith are more exceptions, they both have god-like determination. Casca is a 'normal' woman caught in between.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

I take it more as the entire eclipse itself. People tend to forget that the event really fucked up Guts as well as shown with the whole Black Swordsman saga compared to actually being a pretty normal guy back when he was with the Hawks. It's only til recently that he actually started recovering more due to interacting with others again, but it's still an event that's scarred him.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

Way way different circumstances.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

This is actually about right, if you were to consider Griffith in that moment as an incubus.

From Wikipedia:
An incubus is a Lilin-demon in male form who, according to mythological and legendary traditions, lies upon women in order to engage in sexual activity with them. Its female counterpart is a succubus. Salacious tales of incubi and succubi have been told for many centuries in traditional societies, and Genesis 6:4 is a passage used to support the credibility of such stories. Some traditions hold that repeated sexual activity with an incubus or succubus may result in the deterioration of health, or even death.[1]
Click to expand...

Basically, there's dark voodoo involved if Literally Satan does it.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

Well they weren't raped by demons before hand while their comrades were torn limb from limb and eaten alive while a giant hand with devil's atop if enjoying the show. She was also raped by a corrupting demiGod that can warp reality.
 
Cindi Mayweather said:
Recreating it in the game is fine.

Why does it need to be sexy uguu dlc?
Click to expand...

Apparently you missed this from the poster who you dismissed as not getting it:

Palculator said:
latest
3DkR17j.jpg
Click to expand...

Oh would you look at that. It's an almost exact panel recreation that falls under your umbrella of "Recreating it in the game is fine."

Why is it sexy? Is it? Sounds like that's on you. What makes it any different than the source which seems iconic enough for fans to actually recognize? She won't be in that pose while cycling through an innumerable number of attack animations, I'm sure.

Why is it DLC? The money, Lebowski. Wanna talk about pre-order business and DLC? Wonderful. I'm sure at least half this board would love to talk about much we hate pre-order bonuses, DLC and partitioned game content.
 
NinjamicWZ said:
Apparently you missed this from the poster who you dismissed as not getting it:



Oh would you look at that. It's an almost exact panel recreation that falls under your umbrella of "Recreating it in the game is fine."

Why is it sexy? Is it? Sounds like that's on you. What makes it any different than the source, which fans who seem to actually recognize and "get"? She won't be in that pose while cycling through an innumerable number of attack animations, I'm sure.

Why is it DLC? The money, Lebowski. Wanna talk about pre-order business and DLC? Wonderful. I'm sure at least half this board would love to talk about much we hate pre-order bonuses and DLC.
Click to expand...

Why have we not seen a single shot of her in armor then?
 
Rayge said:
Everybody calling this bullshit marketing out knows it's in the story. It would be like marketing Game of Thrones with
Sansa Stark getting raped.

And putting that on the cover of their books or games or what have you.

It's fucking stupid.
Click to expand...
Wait, what. FFS, I either skipped over this or its in the last book.
 
The reason koei used the caska scne for the teaser is because it was a pivotal and I dare say even iconic scene in berserk, every berserk fan knows about the implications of that scene, it hit the hardest with everyone who has read berserk


With this DLC, if its real is a lil tasteless however
 
HStallion said:
Why have we not seen a single shot of her in armor then?
Click to expand...

Because we haven't seen hardly anything yet, it's a musou game that will likely feature a typically massive cast of characters, with probably other DLC, and this is just a little variant appearance thingy for da pre-order bonus. Doy?
 
Arkeband said:
We have like a total of 10 screenshots total from the game.

Do you actually believe you won't be able to fight as regular Casca in a genre that depends on having a range of playable characters?
Click to expand...

Eolz said:
Because that DLC haven't even been advertised yet and we don't even know about most of the playable roster yet?
Click to expand...

That's my point. This all they decided was important to sell us on her and her role in the story and game.

Edit: we have Griffith and Guts in multiple shots in full armor being bad ass.
 
HStallion said:
Well they weren't raped by demons before hand while their comrades were torn limb from limb and eaten alive while a giant hand with devil's atop if enjoying the show. She was also raped by a corrupting demiGod that can warp reality.
Click to expand...
Who was also someone who looked up to immensely to add to that
 
WickedLaharl said:
Are you serious? You really don't see what the issue is with making it sexy costume time DLC?
Click to expand...

I think there's a disconnect between Western Berserk fans and Japanese Berserk fans. Berserk eroticizes rape or else there wouldn't be dozens of instances of women getting raped in the manga with close-ups on their breasts. If they really wanted to sell the trauma and horror of the situation the author wouldn't have framed them the way he did.

So the cover/teaser/and this DLC for this game is just continuing the tradition of the series that has a lot of rape scenes both designed to be disturbing yet titillate.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

Oh, yeah, they turned out just fine.
 
Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

To be fair wasn't she raped as a child. I guess being raped by a demonic God is a little different.

Real shame what they did to get character, though.
 
I don't see how anyone who loves the manga could be okay with them trivializing this event for preorder DLC and shitty marketing. Even if you are heartless and unempathetic towards victims of rape, you have to see how this undermines the severity of what happened to this character in the overall narrative.
 
HStallion said:
That's my point. This all they decided was important to sell us on her and her role in the story and game.

Edit: we have Griffith and Guts in multiple shots in full armor being bad ass.
Click to expand...

But they didn't sell us on her at all. This is just one of the preorder bonuses, just like the others in OP's link: Pirate Schierke, Golden Hawk Griffith, White Swordsman Guts, Blue Striped Shirt Schierke.
Again, this Casca DLC shot is not even in any video or screenshots yet. This is something on a fan wiki taken from the preorder page. You'd have a point if that was a Casca ingame screenshot.
Any Berserk fan (who they are selling the game to) know that she is a competent warrior and that we're missing a lot of other characters.
 
Reila said:
Because it is an extremely touchy subject? It is indeed sick to use rape as a plot point in fiction. All it does either attract weird fetishists or put off people who had to deal with rape in a way or another from your work. It accomplishes literally nothing.
Click to expand...

It is an extremely touchy subject but also extremely powerful in getting an emotional response out of you. There's few characters I've hated more than Griffith and been truly invested in their demise and that was nearly 20 years ago now. It's why Berserk has had such a devout fanbase.

Branduil said:
The aftermath is actually worse than the scene itself.
It's absurd and annoying that Caska devolves into a literal baby, especially considering both Guts and Griffith were also victims of rape and yet somehow managed to not turn into mindless children.
Click to expand...

Well she also
seen all her friends turned to mush by demons, plus getting raped by a demon god while being held up by more demons is probably enough to melt anyone's mind
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

'IP colllab' from Diablo IV looks to be berserk
2
348
Zacfoldor replied
Dunk Trickster - OT "This is what REAL street basketball is all about"
13
523
Spukc replied
2k is charging 30 bucks for civ dlc
11
605
kruis replied
  • Locked
The demo for The First Berserker: Khazan is out now
1
319
CyberCali replied
Suicide Squad Kill The Justice Leaks real ending is here....
2
53
4K
Snowdonhoffen replied
Top Bottom