I don't know if it's headed towards its endgame, really I remember a quote from Miura some years ago about the story being at the halfway point or something, and then the extended hiatuses kept happening and the plot barely progressed for a long time. I've been reading the manga for 15 years or so and I love it, but the release schedule is just awful.
Is this berserk musou dlc real? (PTSD casca)
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I don't know if it's headed towards its endgame, really I remember a quote from Miura some years ago about the story being at the halfway point or something, and then the extended hiatuses kept happening and the plot barely progressed for a long time. I've been reading the manga for 15 years or so and I love it, but the release schedule is just awful.
The rape scene is important to Guts personal motivation and background, but I can't understand glorifying it front and center in their marketing campaign. Flashbacks are fine with context, but the forefront of the marketing should be Guts present state of anger. That's what the story is about. It's about him not his girlfriend's vicious rape.
King Gilga
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Are you really surprised? This is what happens when you give a shitty company like Koei a great license like berserk.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
That was a while ago that he said that, though, wasn't it? Personally, I felt like the end of 37 could be the climax.
I don't think enough attention was made to this post.
Are you saying Japanese fans view these scenes erotically? I don't know any Japanese fans so this is insight I am not privy to.
Cindi Mayweather
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For what it's worth, I disagree with him about Berserk's treatment of rape. I think it handles stuff like this better than ASOIAF.
I meant solely sexual stuff. Game of Thrones, the TV show that is, is pretty silly at points with characters having a serious discussion in a whore house or while wanton sex acts are just happening in the background. Sometimes it makes sense or has a point, but a lot of times I was like,"Does this really need half naked women wandering around?". Not too mention they really like throwing a lot of extra rape and stuff in there even compared to the books.
Berserk features rape but again, its usually only happening when a bad situation goes to even worse, basically out of the frying pan into the fire scenarios. Is it disgusting and gross, well yeah, but that's often the point. Now if you don't like that I can understand, no one should read something that really offends or disturbs them if they don't want to. I can totally understand Berserk being too much for some people
That quote was something like 70% and that was a few years ago. I believe we're about 75 to 80% finished and we may be getting several events we have been waiting years, if not decades for in the next volumes worth of episodes. I've been following the manga for over a decade too. I remember when they were still far away from getting to the boat lol... I think we are finally nearing a real major major milestone in the series.
Not by a long shot.
Also maybe address people's arguments, instead of calling them juvenile.
Cindi Mayweather
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I think the content in Berserk goes into darker territory than ASOIAF but ASOIAF tends to make things trivial and definitely for the sake of eroticism. I never got that while reading Berserk. People saying that it eroticizes rape I have no idea what they were reading but my experience was different.
Hopefully. I just can't help but think it'll be back on hiatus again after the new anime series ends and the game releases.
The Game of TV show is really gratuitous about nudity at times and for no reason except to titillate, a lot of which was never in the books in the first place. They even add in rape scenes to the show which I found was kind of surprising since Martin doesn't shy away from this stuff in the books.
I actually believe this along with some other fans that the last hiatus happened because Miura was helping and working on the new anime and game.
Killer Queen
Banned
Maybe I'm misremembering but, I don't actually remember any rape scenes in the show aside from last season and the first season neither of which were particularly graphic.
Cindi Mayweather
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In the book you have Theon wiping his jizz off a prostitute in COK I think.
How About No
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I understand that if the model is in the game for story purposes, they may as well use it as an alt anyway. Like, idk, Old Snake in his nice suit in MGS4. But this is being used as an incentive to preorder and boost sales. I think people uninitiated with Berserk are gonna see that promo image and think "Hey, tan anime chick in wet tshirt, hi-five brah", while those who see it and understand the context might think "Oh, that's from that scene. That was a really bad time for everyone. Why would I want to play as Caska in that, I'm just gonna think of all the horrible things that happened to her?"
I honestly don't think there's anything wrong with the promo image and pose itself, I mean it's a shot remake of the actual scene in the manga. Maybe would be better if it had the cave backdrop so people would understand it better.
And I don't think this would have been as bad if it was included in the game but not advertised or be a bonus. Like, here are your character skin selects, all of the variants used throughout the game, you can use.
Anyway I'm not gonna go on a moral crusade over this, Temco can do what they like and smarter people than myself can make better cases against them.
I do think naked Griffith armed with bucket of water should totes be an alt tho
If they're gonna do an adaption of that part of the story, I think it's kinda important they don't exclude that, it's pretty pivotal to showing why Caska is how she is now.
Or they could just do a text scrawl on how everything is fucked now after the Eclipse and then show Guts in his Black Swordsman rampage, but I think that'll be a disappointment to almost everyone.
Also to go with the Star Wars thing, how about Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru figures
I am not Japanese but I definitely agree with his point about the way the rape scenes were presented. In both the source and the movies I also got the impression they were more for the sake of titillation.
So yeah, as shitty as this is I can't say I'm surprised by it at all.
Yup, agree 100%.
EDIT: Also this thread title should really have a spoiler warning!
The degree of eroticism was often in direct conflict with what was going on and I think that was done very purposefully. There is also the fact that Guts is having is eye poked out as this happens not too mention self mutilating himself by cutting off his own arm. I just think the imagery was so violent and fucked that it often precludes that this isn't supposed to be something sexy or for titillations sake. The whole scene is meant to evoke the Cennobites from Hellraiser and similar ideas and themes, this is not a scene with a lot of eye pleasing imagery outside of a boob or a moan or a hip thrust. I mean I guess if someone is turned on by serial killers or crime scene photos it might be their cup of tea but for the general populace its going to be a very obvious and straight forward turn off.
Its often gratuitous yeah, but fairly tame.
A couple of breasts every few episodes (and they toned it down a lot).
As far as intensity theres no comparison, the trolls chapter, wiald, the satanists... Berserk shows hardcore sex and rape in great detail, and can also be argued to be gratuirous with how protracted some of these sequences are.
Think about how Berserk would've depicted Sansa
first wedding night
Cindi Mayweather
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I'll respond at length with pics tonight.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Maybe, but you'll probably miss the point that I took contention with: That the outfit is somehow a misdirection for Guts. If your post is about something else, don't expect me to bother.
My point is there is usually a reason for that stuff in Berserk. I still remember scenes where Little Finger just seemed to want to shoot the shit while hanging out in one of his whore houses amongst other things. I'm just comparing what I've seen in the show with the books which talk a lot about rape but its never really depicted in the act. Its often mentioned after the fact in some manner whether its the Mountain being the Mountain or several other scenes.
That's why the Sansa scene stood out because not only was it not in the books but it was not something the books would have realy dedicated an entire scene too either.
Cindi Mayweather
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I don't get how anyone could find the manga and original TV series depictions of the eclipse as erotic. People are being eaten alive. Guts tears his own arm off and loses an eye. Casca is taped by someone she loved and trusted and saved her from being raped in the past. Blood, guts. Friends being eaten. Gods being resurrected. An awful scene. How in the world is it erotic? I not once saw that interpretation and I'm frightened people think it was made to tittilate.
Cindi Mayweather
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J
JeremyEtcetera
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The reactions in this thread or the outfit itself?
If it happens, people will treat this like another DOAX3.
It's coming to the west. It was announced it was coming to the west the day it was announced, even.
I am going back and forth on whether or not this particular costume makes it over, though, which I don't think would engender anywhere near the same amount of outrage that DOAX3's no-show did.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
That is, very literally, what I have asked the poster I was responding to with no further clarification since, besides your hard head overreacting to a post you apparently haven't read but yet dismissed as missing the point:
Not responding to you anymore because it's usually a fool's errand, as shown by your lack of awareness about how you entered the discussion.
Cindi Mayweather
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I read your post where I replied to you wrong. I'm on mobile so I'm reading and responding really fast. I agree with the person you disagreed with. I still think you don't get it and I will show you why when I have access to a computer.
I am comparing game of thrones (the tvshow, otherwise he wouldve used the soiaf name) and the manga.
In this sense i think they are similar in gratuitousness, but berserk goes waaaaay farther in morbid detail and extremity of what is depicted.
So when someone says how GoT is worse than Berserk, i really cant see under what metric that would be true.
Maybe the fact that one is drawn and the other isnt, but thats stretching it.
Tomeru
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Being self-rightous can only go so far. If some of you want a rape in literature or movies treated like in a documentary, go read/watch one. Being able to diffrentiate serious issues like this and its position in a book/movie is a must if you ever want to enjoy the bigger picture. I also think that time has an impact on how people see and react to something like this. No way around this.
Also, this debate has deffinitly ruined this story to potential newcomers, and is a shame.
Also, this debate has deffinitly ruined this story to potential newcomers, and is a shame.
Why would you follow a debate about something you have no clue about, especially if you wanted to read it eventually? Berserk came out in 89, you had time.
This is like expecting people to spoiler tag Darth Vader being Lukes father.
How About No
Member
Well even though it's popular Berserk is way more niche than Star Wars, like by a thousand-fold
And then there's people who might be interested in getting into it with the recent series and this game...
But yeah if you haven't read it you prob shouldn't be reading this lol
Fair enough, what about Keyser Soze's identity?
Cindi Mayweather
Member
The title literally says "PTSD Cacsa". If you wandered into this thread with that thread title and first post, then being spoiled is seriously entirely on you.
I agree that it was done purposefully, but the difference to me was that the contrasting scenes also served to enhance the eroticism, especially when violence in and of itself can be a form of pornography. I'm not saying it's not disturbing, but the two aren't mutually exclusive.
For the record, this impression is influenced by how Casca had been handled as a whole up until that point (which is another can of worms but Megidoloan more or less paraphrased my thoughts).
doctorblurg
Banned
It really does suck how hard their going in on this Casca stuff and using that as a costume. Another poster here thought her ballroom outfit would be an even better fit and I totally agree. Like I understand it's a pivotal part of the series but there's plenty of other imagery from that whole sequence that would be a lot better to use. Hell even on the cover art having the god hand in Casca's place would be good.
I love Berserk a lot and it does legit make me uncomfortable at times the whole Eclipse thing is one of the most agonizing things to read and I think it does make the reader/watcher extremely more invested in the story. There's so much more better imagery to use if they want to use the eclipse as a major part of their marketing but the cover art/trailer/DLC costume are really upsetting.
I love Berserk a lot and it does legit make me uncomfortable at times the whole Eclipse thing is one of the most agonizing things to read and I think it does make the reader/watcher extremely more invested in the story. There's so much more better imagery to use if they want to use the eclipse as a major part of their marketing but the cover art/trailer/DLC costume are really upsetting.
Basketball
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It's definitely a touchy subject
but the actual rape of Casca vs Guts/Griffith
The context is crazy different
Guts
Griffith
Casca
Mountain vs molehill
but the actual rape of Casca vs Guts/Griffith
The context is crazy different
Guts
Raped by a soldier who he hated, disowned by a father figure for money.
Griffith
Rape (?) (Major Self Hatred after the fact) but he slept with an old man (killed later) to build up the Band of the Hawk
Casca
Raped by the person she followed pretty much her entire life, always yearning for his attention, totally a broken person/emotional wreck after his torture and disfiguration, The dream of being his partner ripped from her. Finds comfort in Guts.
Eclipse happens and life friends mutilated in front of her in the face of monstrosities never seen before. Comrades dying one by one (giving up their life to save her - Avatar quote). Griffith fully reborn healed and he brutalizes her, and unfortunately gives her the attention she yearned for in the form of a Demon. The last person alive she ever cared about is watching this fallout, pinned to the floor, eye gouged, rips and tears away from rescuing her....
Eclipse happens and life friends mutilated in front of her in the face of monstrosities never seen before. Comrades dying one by one (giving up their life to save her - Avatar quote). Griffith fully reborn healed and he brutalizes her, and unfortunately gives her the attention she yearned for in the form of a Demon. The last person alive she ever cared about is watching this fallout, pinned to the floor, eye gouged, rips and tears away from rescuing her....
Mountain vs molehill
Enhance? I mean again unless you're into torture porn and some extremely dark stuff watching
a guy get his eye poked out while screaming bloody murder isn't hot nor is him taking a broken sword hilt an hacking away at his arm until he rips free
Not too mention we'd been seeing this and worse for pages and pages and pages before this with many well loved characters getting brutalized before being killed of someone like Pippin being used as a puppet by the Slug Count.
I think Miura makes it a "love scene" on purpose if only to pervert it and everything else that had been built up between these characters up until that point. Much the same Femto corrupts and destroys their child, destroys the bond that had been built between Guts and Casca and of course severed any connection between himself and his humanity. It was basically the inverse to a love scene in what it actually meant and the sexuality of it was very much to disturb you as an awesome as much as it was to enrage and destroy Guts.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I just got home and went through the Eclipse and despite the horrific imagery, it definitely does eroticize the act for most of it, even while Casca says no and telling Guts "don't watch."
Hate to say it, but it does.
Hate to say it, but it does.
John Rabbit
Banned
calling it her "bathing outfit" is really fucking gross. last i checked, bed clothes absently left on because the rape victim wearing them is having a psychotic break isn't a "bathing outfit". purposefully eroticized violence and rape or not, leveraging this costume (and by extension, a rape victim) to make money is disgusting.
I just got home and went through the Eclipse and despite the horrific imagery, it definitely does eroticize the act for most of it, even while Casca says no and telling Guts "don't watch."
Hate to say it, but it does.
Of course it does. Anyone saying it doesn't is blind, however its not meant to really be an erotic moment for the readers, Guts or any sane person.
To Griffith, the newly minted god looking to test whether he has truly ascended and to spit in the eye of his one time best friend... well that's a whole other thing.
Edit: If we want to talk about a character with disturbing sexual imagery and connotations talk about Slann
who is often seen masturbating or touching herself giddily during the Eclipse.
Basketball
Member
She was under a waterfall, when it debuted
Manga detailed the transparent outfit very clearly.
I wonder how is the outfit going to work ingame
Manga detailed the transparent outfit very clearly.
I wonder how is the outfit going to work ingame
will she be speaking gibberish like in the manga after the eclipse or something
Tomeru
Member
I wasn't talking about spoilers. More like Berserk losing any appeal it might had to them (if any).
The Silver
Member
if you want to use imagery to invoke the eclipse they already had a perfect one
it works in and out of context, of course that isn't as sexy as a naked woman with tentacles surrounding her
it works in and out of context, of course that isn't as sexy as a naked woman with tentacles surrounding her
Host Samurai
Member
Im more insulted that they didn't announce Corkus DLC.
Berserk isn't just rape, but there's a lot of it, no reason to dance around it.
If that's a deal breaker for some people, so be it, not everything is fit for everyone.
Who said that isn't in the future? I'm going to be disappointed if Pippin isn't playable. He is one of the few Falcons who could keep up with Guts to a point.
Also will there be a naked bath tub fight between Guts and Griffith?