Is this berserk musou dlc real? (PTSD casca)
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Nope. Skipping the rape part is definetely better than using rape as a selling point because they consider it sexy. That's what they did twice now.
I have trouble understanding your point. So are you saying that rape isn't handled in a serious way and has its consequences in the Manga? Because what he gathered from reading the opinions on this thread was 100% correct. Rape isn't used as sexy fanservice in the manga.
Messofanego
Banned
The CGI teaser doesn't make sense. The Berserk CGI teaser is using the rape for titillation with extreme and travelling close ups of Casca's body. The manga and anime don't really do that. The rape is not central to the videogame (unless if it's an adventure game about the ramifications of rape) to be used for advertising. Berserk manga or anime didn't advertise the rape from the outset like this.
Fuck off with that noise. I'm probably one of the biggest most obnoxious berserk fans on this board and I'm seriously considering not picking up this game if this is how they are going to try and sell it to me.
Ignore the guy, seriously just trying to troll and purposely piss people off. He got nothing worth saying.
Son Of Sparda
Member
Nice OP. I always wanted to get spoiled on Berserk without warning.
Basketball
Member
If it is just dlc I dont see why folks who want extra dlc should not have if they are willing to pay.
Then again I know this is a not a very big thread but the usual sites (kotaku, poly, eurogamer) are probably
checking this thread for morsels in these quiet summer times. Then someone gets a hold of Koei asked then a few sided questions then boom decision pushed on western players.
Also the eclipse in the manga was brutal but to say that Miura did not titalate the scene a bit during rape is disingenuous.
Then again I know this is a not a very big thread but the usual sites (kotaku, poly, eurogamer) are probably
checking this thread for morsels in these quiet summer times. Then someone gets a hold of Koei asked then a few sided questions then boom decision pushed on western players.
Also the eclipse in the manga was brutal but to say that Miura did not titalate the scene a bit during rape is disingenuous.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
I said none of that. It's bad practice to stitch your interpretation of a work together by random impressions on it online and if someone wanted to then engage in discussions about it, they'd be severely hampered by not actually knowing what they're talking about. I can certainly see someone who has read volume 13 arguing against your latter claim -- which I'm not actually doing, so don't reply to me as if I am -- but that's the point: Knowing the work you'd be able to properly discuss it and not parrot other posts.
while i dont have a problem with this, if they wanted to market this with the rape scene for its inicial trailer, i would probably have marketed not with shots of tentacles and closeups of cascas body,
ending just with the closeup of the brand of sacrifice
people who read the manga would instantly know what that scene was, and less casca body closeups
but probably with the scene where guts is pinned down by the apostles and getting is eye gouged out while watching the rape unfold right in front of him, while not actually showing any of cascas rape, while showing the rage and hatred on his face,
people who read the manga would instantly know what that scene was, and less casca body closeups
Of course they're going to recreate it. That scene (along with the deaths that accompany the betrayal) is what drives the story. The impetus for why the main character is on this journey. It would be like creating a new Batman propety without any mention of his parents being murdered in front of him. Or Spiderman without his uncle dying.
The outrage over this to me seems so frivolous... Like, you have an issue with Casca being in a wet oversized shirt following her rape? From a manga where a female character was nearly raped by a horse... A scene which follows that character grinding her vagina on the main character's sword? Or the satanic orgys with horned demons? Or Guts being molested himself? Or children being slaughtered all the time? The freaking manga opens up with the main character having sex with a demon that uses her sexuality to lure men to their deaths. I know there's the argument about context, but if you're a fan you already have it, and if you're new to the series the costume/DLC/whaetever wouldn't make you think twice.
This series is ripe with dark material, and it's always in your face about it. Fans praise the series for being so uninhibited about all types of violence. To try and act like that's not the case is being disingenuous. To sit here and deride Koei Tecmo for their promotional material seems ironic given the way the source material handles these things. I mean, this is an actual licensed statue that's been released: https://abload.de/img/gutscascaberserkcensokju93.jpg Which... Umm, was the cover of volume 13? I don't believe that's even an actual pose from the manga itself. Just a pose that was simply done for the cover. A very sexualized pose of Casca draped across Guts' body to sell the manga. I don't know how people can sit here and try to argue that there is a certain nauance to the manga's approach that is missing from what we've seen in the videogame stuff we've seen so far. To me, it's BERSERK. And that's all I see.
For those who haven't read the original work, there are several panels in the Eclipse section of the Berserk manga that are in fact transparently sexualizing rape, to a greater or lesser extent, even if the surrounding context is also treating it as a shocking event. In other words, there is a clear duality of horror and eroticism involved in the original depiction.
Given that plus the general way sex and nudity are explicitly employed at a few other points in the manga, I would tend to doubt that Miura himself has any real complaints about this. The man is a great artist and writer, but he has not shown much of a progressive inclination. Which doesn't invalidate criticism of the teaser and this pre-order, not at all, because K-T is still choosing to produce a derivative work and they are making their own decisions about its portrayal.
Given that plus the general way sex and nudity are explicitly employed at a few other points in the manga, I would tend to doubt that Miura himself has any real complaints about this. The man is a great artist and writer, but he has not shown much of a progressive inclination. Which doesn't invalidate criticism of the teaser and this pre-order, not at all, because K-T is still choosing to produce a derivative work and they are making their own decisions about its portrayal.
I was watching a stream when they showed the first trailer and the people streaming were like "why the fuck would they use that scene?". Reading impressions here, yeah, what the fuck. Like, I get Beserk is supposed to be dark and gritty but why try to sell a rape scene as sexy, especially if it wasn't supposed to be sexy in the manga.
Like, you don't see those SAO games announced with one of the many (many) rape scenes fronting the trailer.
It's a shame to hear this weird decision may have ended up in the actual game too, dlc or otherwise. Like, you could just not buy it but it's still pretty uncomfortable.
Like, you don't see those SAO games announced with one of the many (many) rape scenes fronting the trailer.
It's a shame to hear this weird decision may have ended up in the actual game too, dlc or otherwise. Like, you could just not buy it but it's still pretty uncomfortable.
Basketball
Member
They totally sexualized her rape in the manga
What do?
And yes Guts was raped but by someone he hated and he was a child.
What do?
And yes Guts was raped but by someone he hated and he was a child.
It's gross no matter what, for sure.
KT knows exactly what they're doing here: marketing rape. And regardless of whether the company changes the cover, the fact remains that they still thought it was acceptable anywhere. Casca is a complex character who, although deeply transformed by this event, has many other iconic moments throughout the series. And, like you noted, this is completely decontextualized. Using sexual violence against women, especially when this form of violence still isn't taken seriously, is pretty scummy.
Love Berserk and (if I'm generous) I see why they thought this might appeal to fans, but this seems more like a cash grab to pull in the T&A crowd (KT's track record doesn't help here). If they want to do this with DoA, fine, but not with Casca. Not with this series.
Also: I notice a lot of people calling changes "censorship." Let me ask you this: have you ever worked with someone who makes a bad call? Does something that they have every right to do, but is ultimately shortsighted and detrimental? If so, do you offer criticism in the hopes of bringing them to their senses and see why what they did might not be a great idea, or do you see any advice as "censorship" and let them continue making poor decisions?
fabricated backlash
Member
I mean yeah it's one of the most iconuc scenes of the Manga, the final breaking point for Guts and Casca... but to use this Outfit as eye candy Bonus... wtf man.
Give her the ball dress instead.
Give her the ball dress instead.
Watched the 3 Berserk movies (thank god I did before I got spoiled) recently and that's the impression I got from it too.
+the DLC costume looks just the same as it did in the movie, she was standing under the waterall with her clothes soaked enough to see all the outlines of her curves. Might also be worth mentioning that at that point she had amnesia and seemed quite happy. Nothing about the DLC costume itself depicts a rape victim and no one who hasn't read/seen the source material would make that connection.
The rape in the manga has its own discussion which I generally agree had its storyline place that the writer wove in and made it very impactful and emotional. As far as promoting any of it for a Musou game that lets be very honest here has never and will never need a strong storyline and is not at all necessary to promote or reference beyond maybe a screen during the story recap sections.
Honestly when I first saw the trailer I thought it was their marketing team trying to put emphasis on the fact that they're trying to do the source material justice by not skipping the terrifying and disturbing scenes from the manga.
The cover art and dlc are taking it too far. They're clearly using that scene to appeal to the people who want in purely for the sex appeal. It's such a dishonest way to market berserk. I wish they wouldn't take this approach with this game, especially since it's the first berserk game in a long time.
The cover art and dlc are taking it too far. They're clearly using that scene to appeal to the people who want in purely for the sex appeal. It's such a dishonest way to market berserk. I wish they wouldn't take this approach with this game, especially since it's the first berserk game in a long time.
People See Femto grope Casca's tit and see her moan and think it's pornographic. It's just one more element Griffith employs to not only get some petty revenge on the cusp of godhood but also taking advantage of her long term desires for Griffith to further sear soul of humanity and test just how far he has "evolved".
freethoughtbubble
Member
Yeah, fuck that. You don't make what happened to Casca into cheesecake to sell your game. Not if you have any sense. Or decency.
Basketball
Member
Berserk is one of the darkest pieces of fiction
We got child rape , rape/attemped rape of many of the lead female characters. 3 main chars are raped. The murder of children depicted, shear stretches of violence and gore.
I doubt any of this will show up in the game. Its a fucked up manga but it also one of the best.
We got child rape , rape/attemped rape of many of the lead female characters. 3 main chars are raped. The murder of children depicted, shear stretches of violence and gore.
I doubt any of this will show up in the game. Its a fucked up manga but it also one of the best.
fabricated backlash
Member
Well yeah, to cut out that particular scene from the Story would be a disservice, but to use it in promotions and as eye candy material? Sheesh.
I'd argue the explicitness of the depiction goes beyond that, if we were to analyze the printed pages, but I don't think it would be tasteful (or necessary) to describe every single detail.
Basketball
Member
If they cut out anything from the esclipe it would be total disservice To the game and fans/hopeful readers.
OverturePT
Member
It's in bad taste. Sure, people that never read the manga or watched the anime might not see such a huge problem, it's just a "sexy" outfit, but this game is made for Berserk fans and it really is in bad taste to be used like this for marketing.
I just wanted to beat the shit out of Griffith forever, though, will I be able to?
I just wanted to beat the shit out of Griffith forever, though, will I be able to?
Of course they're gonna cut stuff out, it's a musou. In some other anime musou like Arslan the story sequences are barely more than glorified loading screens.
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
They'd have to edit scenes differently at least due to rating boards.
How About No
Member
Storm of Swords came out 16 years ago let's talk about this wedding thing...
Then you misunderstand me. It's supposed to be explicit and play off Casca's long time desire to give herself to her savior and commander. Griffith could have just let the apostles have her but he fulfilled her desire in the most warped fucked up way possible. It was also one last way to get back at Guts, his best friend and the man who nearly destroyed his dream.
The real point of it at all was to see if Griffith would act like a man who had fought along side her for years and lifted her up to his second in command or if he would act like the unrestrained monster that he had transformed into. When you become an apostle Or God Hand you don't become a monster in just body but your very soul is purged of those human ideas and beliefs down to the very core. That violation of all that was right and good in someone's life is sacrificed and destroyed to birth a being from the deeper plains of existence.
Edit: I should also say that it's not meant to be sexy or erotic to the reader unless they are into some very dark kinks. It's intended to shock and disturb and considering the build up and the entire nature of the Eclipse itself.
Agreed
Tizoc
Member
There is another chapter in july too it seems
Please note that I am not questioning the narrative purpose or merit of the sequence. In fact, I would tend to agree with you about this interpretation in context. But again, its inherent value as a depiction of rape, of all things, also includes an arguably quasi-pornographic element. That is what I am stressing, for the sake of making things clear, without denying the existence of a larger context.
My argument is that these things are not mutually exclusive. As a matter of fact, Japanese manga and anime have historically included a number of sick, twisted or outright gross fetishes.
The Manga absolutely does that.
Granted you get more context, bit lingering shots on Caska's body are there.
They were even posted in the last thread.
The Orz
Member
I feel some people are reading far too much into a throw-away bonus costume. It may be crass, but let's not pretend that Miura doesn't dabble in titillation, even when the story's at its darkest.
At the very least, this hints that Casca will be playable at some point which is very, very cool.
At the very least, this hints that Casca will be playable at some point which is very, very cool.
Basketball
Member
Read it you are in for a treat still
I was spoiled a bit while back but still the journey man. But that boat doe
Palculator
Unconfirmed Member
Yup, it's just a nod to this as the pose they use very clearly shows, don't really see why a game adaption featuring something from both source material and film adaption is so significant. I do hope it's not just JP exclusive, though.
I think the OP is accurate in the use of "PTSD," this talk about them outright selling rape is pitchfork hysteria. The outfit is from the aftermath, not the event. Is it questionable to say the least, yes. Is it glorifying sexual assault, much less trying to sell the game based on it? Get real.
Berserk is a dark series that deals with a lot of dark concepts. It's not for everybody.
Berserk is a dark series that deals with a lot of dark concepts. It's not for everybody.
I don't think any of these pieces of marketing are too bad by themselves because it could have just been an affirmation that they're going as dark as they possibly can(which I want in a Berserk game), but the heavy focus on sex instead of violence in the marketing as a whole doesn't really feel like Berserk. It feels like they're just showing Casca rape on a loop, trying to hype up whatever cheesecake they have. We've had more Casca rape than Guts killing things. We need more Guts killing things.
I and many others have a problem with turning a raped, traumatized broken woman into a sexy Costume DLC. It's really that simple. We know it's from the Manga.
These comparison shots are especially silly because it's the ONE shot from the Manga from that scene that is supposed to be plain sexy - because it's supposed to be a misdirection both for Guts and the audience. Gus misinterpreting her appearance directly leads to her being even more disturbed.
This is her like 2 pages later after Guts touches her:
Isn't that sexy? Don't you wanna buy that outfit right now? Yay, sexy rape victims!
EvilKatarn
Member
A disturbingly large amount of people are saying the Eclipse was sexualized.
If reading that got your juices running then that's on you, not Miura.
Did you see the first reveal trailer?
If reading that got your juices running then that's on you, not Miura.
Did you see the first reveal trailer?
Some of the manga cover art, 12/13.
I don't like the marketing either but the game cover seems to fit in with those volume covers.
Same here, I've been waiting for a Berserk game for ages. I even bought the One Piece musou game from Steam the other day and I already have that on console.
I don't like the marketing either but the game cover seems to fit in with those volume covers.
Same here, I've been waiting for a Berserk game for ages. I even bought the One Piece musou game from Steam the other day and I already have that on console.
Pretty much.