Is this berserk musou dlc real? (PTSD casca)
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Oh puck. Such an awesome character. What a little shit. It's a shame that most fans of Berserk don't have access to the manga so they never really get to experience him.
I was implying that Berserk is both an old, long-running Japanese comic so a lot of the things they portray (and how it's portrayed) may be viewed differently by modern, Western audiences. For better or worse, if Berserk were a mainstream live action TV series like Game of Thrones then the way Berserk portrays rape (and there's a hell of a lot of it, including no name women who are raped just to, on the surface, drive home how much nightmarish the world is) then there would be a ton of think pieces on the series.
To be clear, the rape scenes are handled like rape scenes in 80's anime or action movies. A woman is restrained, terrified, and then her shirt rips off to expose her breasts. This is a common trope and Berserk does this a lot. I think that it only doesn't come off as clearly sexual as the situations are often extremely horrific. But hey, women being raped by monsters in anime to titillate isn't exactly a new thing.
So my point is that Berserk could have conveyed the horror of the situation without it being overtly sexual but this isn't exactly that uncommon considering the decade, medium, and genre. Berserk is a little more tasteful in that regard but it comes off much more exploitative by modern standards.
So the game using this imagery as erotic isn't something they cooked up, it's inherent in the series.
Tinfoilhatsron
Banned
Nice boat is best boat.
I actually liked Puck too. Always thought it was werid and cool that a manga Berserk had a character like him.
In the 80s and 90s (I think). Gave an opportunity to really humanize Guts through him.
Tomeru
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Define alot, because I don't remember many cases of rape through-out its 344 episodes.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
I don't know about how japanese fans consume it, or western ones even.
But the author does indeed portray sexual violence against women in a way that is aimed to titillate the audience, and frequently at that. Practically every female character in the series has either suffered through or been threatened by sexual violence depicted in this way.
So while this DLC is incredibly in poor taste, it about lines up with how the series treats women and rape. It sucks
Every single female character in the series has either been raped or threatened by rape.
The anime is a very small part of the entire series and I don't think it comes anywhere near being 344 episodes lol
Since my GoT comparison drew a lot of comments, I want to clarify that GoT does (especially the show) add a lot of nudity and sex that seemingly serves no reason except to be eye candy. Berserk doesn't do this for the most part. The issue is more how rape scenes are framed then whether they relate to the plot.
Although it's interesting that, now that I think about it, there's probably way more rape scenes than consensual sex scenes in Berserk (unlike GoT). I can, off hand, only think of 4 and 2 of them were with a demon that looked like the Alien Queen that disguised itself like a woman in order to eat a human.
Although it's interesting that, now that I think about it, there's probably way more rape scenes than consensual sex scenes in Berserk (unlike GoT). I can, off hand, only think of 4 and 2 of them were with a demon that looked like the Alien Queen that disguised itself like a woman in order to eat a human.
I also want Puck to be plaayable.
I'd argue that the erotic imagery during Casca's rape when contrasted to everything that happened before it was meant to make it even more horrifying, or at least it did for me. It's because of this that I don't like the way they've been marketing this game. It just feels sleazy to market the game this way when most of the dark stuff will probably be relegated to narrated text blurbs between stages.
At least I can ignore this DLC, and I just won't pre-order the game if it's the pre-order bonus in the west.
I'd argue that the erotic imagery during Casca's rape when contrasted to everything that happened before it was meant to make it even more horrifying, or at least it did for me. It's because of this that I don't like the way they've been marketing this game. It just feels sleazy to market the game this way when most of the dark stuff will probably be relegated to narrated text blurbs between stages.
At least I can ignore this DLC, and I just won't pre-order the game if it's the pre-order bonus in the west.
I don't believe Schierke or Isma ever has and his point was that it doesn't happen in the series all that often despite many claiming otherwise and its usually tied to specific events and characters.
Wyald and the Goat Man for example
Edit: Also the most disgusting and horrible section of the storyline involved no rape or sexual violence
The Lost Children Arc is by and far the most disturbing arc in my opinion. Lets not forget the fairy children Roshine was creating and their little games
Cindi Mayweather
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It erotcizes Casca being raped before Griffith even shows up. The teaser trailer's treatment of the rape is how it's handled in the manga. I just read it and it treats it very similarly. Sure, we the readers know it's fucked up, but look at Casca and the way she's drawn and way she reacts. It's almost like she wants it. This is before Griffith even shows up.
I haven't read this in literally ten years so re-reading it was a eye opening.
Labolas
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Hmmm... I don't remember if Charlotte gets nearly raped by her father or not but I remember Griffith breaks into her room and they have consensual sex. Schierke doesn't have an incident revolving that.
Yes, enhance. I don't know if there's an actual name for this technique but in any form of art having contrasting materials helps emphasis/bring out either of them among other things. And in retrospect I worded my previous post really horribly, I should be more clear on what I said earlier in regards to violence pornography: I don't actually mean torture porn, but more just the enjoyment of seeing violence, a lot like how we have in TV shows and video games.
And again, Im not arguing the significance or point of the event, I was specifically referring to how Casca was handled in the rape scene itself. The event itself is largely disturbing and horrific, but that doesn't mean the way Casca was handled wasn't done through erotic lenses. Being both disturbing and erotic aren't mutually exclusive.
This brings up another point/concession I didn't make it: Berserk has matured in the 30 years it's been running.
People champion Berserk as this well written, mature, dark fantasy series but it literally opens with the hero fucking a monster before blowing its head off with a literal hand cannon. The first three volumes are entirely about the ultimate Edgelord going on a revenge spree before any character development happens. What Berserk was at the beginning is very different from what it is now. And, aside from the troll arc, old Berserk was way more sexually exploitative.
I believe one of the plot points of the current arc, thats been in hiatus forever is going to see the elf king? for allies and to see if they can do anything for casca.
Valkyri von Thanatos
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Agreed, the title of the thread was not obviously spoiler related, so why did the content of the OP need to speak openly without spoiler tags? Whatever, this just reinforces my impression that Berserk is just dark for the sake of dark and makes me even less interested to check it out.
She does want it, she wanted it for a long long time but not anymore. Its part of why its so fucked up, he's literally fucking with her mind as much as her body at her greatest moment of weakness. Its just one aspect of many about why the scene is portrayed the way it is and why its so so wrong.
They are off the boat at Elfhelm and on their way to meet the Elf King and have been told he as a method of entering a persons mind through a mental corridor/gallery to restore her original self
Enough to be a problem, if you're sensitive to it, which is my point.
Besides, I think every other major female character has been in some sexual situation, often times including sexual abuse.
You can't deny it's a recurring element.
Whether or not thats a deal breaker, or even a problem, it's up to you.
Tomeru
Member
Im going to go ahead and say that you are wrong. Also, the manga is 344 eps in or so.
Enough to be a problem? A nice, 2016 answer. But yes, sexual abuse is a major theme in the mange if you completely ignore the context. Good job you two.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
You think a thread title referencing a character with PTSD won't have spoilers in it?
Okay. I did. I've already stated plenty in this thread before hand. It just didn't sit well with your adolescent mind and/or you just bother to see if I posted before. It's okay though.
Valkyri von Thanatos
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Not ones out in the open. "PTSD casca" is not very obvious, especially because I had no idea who "Casca" was and whether that was even a name. I'm not extremely ticked, because I haven't played much attention to Berserk before, but I had heard it was great so I was thinking of checking it out... But whatever, now I'm just less interested.
I'm not sure if everyone can identify that Casca is a name. Personally I never heard it before Berserk. I could see someone being curious especially with the thread title presenting a question.
Faynwulf
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I read it, I'm only sorry for people interested in the game coming in here and getting spoiled by the first post.
Cindi Mayweather
Member
I agree with the Griffith part.
But I'm talking about before Griffith shows up.
There's a disconnect here.
On one hand you've got this kind of brutality:
But the second the demons see Casca they're like "female flesh..." and take her clothes off. You've got her in provocative angles as they have their way with her before Griffith becomes a God and steps before her. There's a disconnect from the horror of the violence and Casca looking like she's enjoying demons to have sex with her and if it was Miura's goal to make her look horrified and scared he failed. As it is, it looks like it's supposed to incite anger in the reader because demons and Griffith are having sex with the main characters lover rather than act of Casca being raped itself.
Glitter and Gold
Banned
Yes Schierke is the exception (thank god) but my point was meant to illustrate how frequently explicit sexual violence is leveraged against women in the series. Pointing out an exception doesn't really defeat my point I feel.
Morrigan Stark
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I am not bothered by violent stuff, even disturbing stuff, or even rape scenes per se. Like Preacher is probably my favourite comic. But I hate when rape scenes are portrayed in ways to titillate the readership/audience, it draws a line for me.
Heh, that's actually my main reason (before learning about how it handles rape) for not checking it out sooner. I have waited forever for the next ASoIaF and I can't handle another slow writer.
Are you per chance confusing ASoIaF (books) and Game of Thrones (TV)? There is a significant difference in how the two approach the subject matter.
Tomeru
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You're trying way too hard.
Cindi Mayweather
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No. I think ASOIAF has moments made purely to get George off with no reasonable reason for existing. I think GoT takes this much, much further and is all the worse for it, but I do think it occurs in ASOIAF.
How so? Go and re-read those chapters now.
John Rabbit
Banned
i really have to question the "it doesn't eroticize rape" crowd what exactly they think Miura is doing with his repeated use of multi-panel/page scenes depicting various demons having domineering sexual intercourse with nameless, nubile, young women.
to note: this happens with less and less regularity as the manga progresses.
to note: this happens with less and less regularity as the manga progresses.
I mean that she's branded on her heart is kind of symbolic.
I don't remember particularly gratuitous shots whenever her mark is brought up, but I might be wrong there.
No, I think they're right. This is the same criticism that GoT got when one important character watched another important character get raped. In both situations it's about how the men helpless to watch feel about the rape that is focused on.
Exactly, does everyone forget how trashy and teenage angsty Berserk used to be?
interesting. i should really catch up on the manga before the game comes out. The last thing I remember is kids turning into pixies though im sure a bit past that.How behind am I lol
I may need to reread it but I was under the impression that was part of Griffith's bidding to his new "children"
There are many others as well. Roshine was one, though she got beaten up by her shitty father.
Luca and her group are also never in danger, unless I forgot something.
Oh you poor child...
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
Yeah, I love the part in the manga where she's hacking down hordes of enemies dressed like that
I get this image but wouldn't the people ignoring context in this case be not the people who chose the character's presentation but rather the people who think the character in her presentation is sexy? Granted our click-bait society has conditioned me to believe that scantily clad women on a video thumbnail in YouTube is a surefire way to tantalize people to into clicking on a video that probably doesn't contain similar content. I also see how this particular case is not misleading in this sense because knowing the context of the imagery, its grounded in the reality of the fiction and isn't by any means sexy. It's as though I would see a pile of burned mutilated naked bodies of children on the cover of something related to Berserk and think they were trying to appeal to pedophiles that enjoy murdering their victims. Not knowing the context or outright ignoring it, I would be insane to think such imagery wasn't tasteless. Knowing the context however, though it might make me uncomfortable as it did when reading the original material, I can understand but it still wouldn't be DLC I would buy. That's my personal choice though.
Cindi Mayweather
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Also, by no means do I think that any of this justifies them making this DLC.
I also think that the aftermath makes it clear that Casca was mentally destroyed, whether she enjoyed it or not. It in no way makes rape out to be a good thing. But during the act, I guess we could discuss motivations and intentions. But a lot of the discussion still takes away from how Casca is feeling. It's almost entirely from Guts and Griffith's perspective.
I think so. To a lot of peoples credit, a lot of us read/watched it at least a decade ago or more. It's easy to forget if you've not read it in a while.
I also think that the aftermath makes it clear that Casca was mentally destroyed, whether she enjoyed it or not. It in no way makes rape out to be a good thing. But during the act, I guess we could discuss motivations and intentions. But a lot of the discussion still takes away from how Casca is feeling. It's almost entirely from Guts and Griffith's perspective.
I think so. To a lot of peoples credit, a lot of us read/watched it at least a decade ago or more. It's easy to forget if you've not read it in a while.
Welp! Guess I better get started then!
What's interesting is that Guts idea fairly passive player at this point and that the women are often the ones taking care of everything that isn't killing monsters and even then they join in and hold their own.
Valkyri von Thanatos
Member
Yes, exactly this.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
Examples? When does ASoIaF eroticizes rape?
Cindi Mayweather
Member
Too true.
I never said ASOIAF exotifies rape. It does however, have graphic sexual details that do not add to the story. One example is Theon having sex with the prostitute in Clash of Kings with no real impact or reasoning for being there. It's highly graphic, talks to wiping his sperm on her. It adds nothing except to create some haughty fiction.
IbukiLordSA
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Wow some people are taking this seriously almost thought for a moment this wasn't fiction 
Wow some people are taking this seriously almost thought for a moment this wasn't fiction
I don't think anyone has ever said this before ever. So profound.