maquiladora
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The suspect "claimed to be". Not the same thing. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)
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The suspect "claimed to be". Not the same thing. But it wouldn't surprise me if it was true.
Ok... and you think he would have told them shit anyway? Or not been killed in a firefight that would just end up killing more cops as well?
Nah man. Staph.
Looking at the movement that one guy had i expected something like this. All reflex's.
Explains why he was able to snipe.
Apparently it's a bomb detonation robot that detonated the bomb of the suspect. The police didn't' send in a robot strapped with a bomb.
Edit - I am WRONG. This is not what happened.
not surprised. look at the UT sniper, beltway snipers, etc.
Funky Papa
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There you go. It would certainly explain how he carried himself.
I wonder if we are going to get more information about the weapons he used. Those bullets didn't look like your run of the mill lead core ones.
Seductivpancakes
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Suspect also claims he had explosives on him. There was no way to know if it was strapped to his body, or placed around the garage waiting to detonate when someone breaches.
Considering the fluidity and confidence with which he allegedly moved in the videos, this hardly comes as a surprise.
Calamari41
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Tear gas sucks, but it isn't as incapacitating as you might think. It's more useful in getting people to disperse than it is in completely neutralizing a dedicated mass murderer who has made it clear that his only remaining goal in life is to take out as many more police officers as he can.
old manatee
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You mean the other forms of lethal force that the police are actually authorized to use?
Yeah the rounds he was using were definitely not conventional ones.
cr0w
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No, and that's why they shut down a major portion of the city and swept it for goddamned explosives.
You're being incredibly stupid about this.
wesleyshark
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Dude. Just stop.
Iam more worried about if this breaks our judicial system. This is a very tragic event but remember the amount a crap they passed when 9/11 happened.
This wouldn't surprise me at all, if it turns out to be true.
Also, why did LA Times shorten his middle name to just "X"?
The Albatross
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Important to focus on: "Claimed to be US army veteran." He claimed to be a lot of things when negotiating with police.
Of course it wouldn't be a surprise if true.
EIther the LA Times is trying to make a connection with Malcom X (which is a stretch...) or X is the first letter in the name "Xavier," I'm going with "X is the first letter in the name Xavier."
doctorblurg
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I don't understand why you think even if police caught the dude he would tell them where the bombs were he had bombs on him he needed to be removed. It's better a robot blows up than 2 or 3 more officers getting shot. Why is this so hard for you to understand
Ray Wonder
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You propose that they all risk their lives and attempt to stun the guy, while hoping he doesn't set off these hypothetical bombs in the stun process, and use him to figure out where the bombs are? They have a trained bomb squad for all that. That's how they determined there was no bomb after the fac
If he was ex-military there is a very good chance he was decked out with full gear and even a gas mask. Someone like that would be aware of police tactics. Without being there none of us really know the situation but we can construe that they made an honest attempt to talk him down after 4 hours even after killing and harming many police officers. If they were out for blood they would have shot a rocket at the suspect the minute they had him pinned.
gamechanger87
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Robots are cheaper than human lives. Its why drones are used.
wesleyshark
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They may not have known what the X was abbreviated from perhaps
metalslimer
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Yep he wanted to murder as many people as possible. If there were bombs they would have been planted to kill as many posisble
dave is ok
aztek is ok
Second comment on that tweet and it's already shit
Ravensmash
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Dangerous path?
The guy shot dead 5 people, attempted to kill more and threatened law enforcement with explosives whilst refusing to stand down, despite negotiations.
The path was already bloody dangerous.
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Because it's common in AP Style to do that.
Nappuccino
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Likely didn't think about the implications and just shorted it like many middle initial representations. Or maybe they were worried about the character count.
edit: or it's AP style.
Yea I edited my title. Based on that video, I think no one is surprised if it ends up being true. We'll find out soon enough
Edvardelis
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How many times does it need to be explained?
Police don't disarm a bomb, they blow it up remotely with a robot. Ergo, the robot is carrying explosives.
Which video??
True. We'll see if it actually checks out or not. For now, it matches up with his approach during the shooting.
I edited my post.
Well it looked like it might have been one of those "expand and explode in every direction on impact after penetration" bullets due to the mini explosions.
wesleyshark
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Actually, here is the AP guide on middle names: Use middle initials in full name reference only if the person uses it regularly.
http://htn.readmedia.com/training-calendar/quick-video-clips/associated-press-style-guide
cr0w
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There's a video of him flanking and executing a police officer.
The one you don't want to watch at 2 in the morning. Made me sick to my sto
Raven117
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Surprising no one. (Not a slight against the U.S. Army). One has to know their way around firearms to be able to do what at least one of these guys did.
ShockingAlberto
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I kind of wish I could become numb to this eventually. It happens often enough that I should be, but I'm sick every time.
I always end up with the same questions. When's the next mass shooting? When's the next act of police brutality? (The answer to both these things is always: probably pretty soon.) Why won't anyone do anything on a fundamental level to stop these things?
I also worry that this is going to set back the national conversation that needs to happen by years. People are going to become more defensive and entrenched and there won't be any middle left to discuss. We're heading into worse times, I fear.
I always end up with the same questions. When's the next mass shooting? When's the next act of police brutality? (The answer to both these things is always: probably pretty soon.) Why won't anyone do anything on a fundamental level to stop these things?
I also worry that this is going to set back the national conversation that needs to happen by years. People are going to become more defensive and entrenched and there won't be any middle left to discuss. We're heading into worse times, I fear.
Glad the numbers from last night didn't increase.
So how has the media been handling this? I would assume Fox News is being Fox News. Local stations? CNN?
MSNBC has seen pretty fair in it's reporting so far from what I can tell. Making it clear the protest was peaceful before the shooting started and the shooter claimed to be alone.
So how has the media been handling this? I would assume Fox News is being Fox News. Local stations? CNN?
MSNBC has seen pretty fair in it's reporting so far from what I can tell. Making it clear the protest was peaceful before the shooting started and the shooter claimed to be alone.
TheLostBigBoss
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the one where the shooter suppressed a cop behind a support pillar, using that time to flank around while the cop was ducked behind cover, positioning himself to the direction of the gunfire, leaving his backside completely exposed, getting killed.
Palculator
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There are none? The claim about bombs was made ages ago and they sweeped the area. The context of him getting pinned down and suddenly starting to shout about bombs made it pretty clear it was a bluff, throughout multiple hours of negotiations no bombs went off, the area of the shooting was largely evacuated at that point and police had three potential accomplices in custody who might have given them more insight on the situation. Stop judging situations you know nothing about, apparently.
BudokaiMR2
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Gotta remember that if it's remote detonation or a suicide vest they are just giving him more time to set it off.
And if it's planted somewhere, their resources and focus is split between a stand-off and a bomb search. Taking him out and focusing on sweeping the area with all your resources seems like the absolute best solution. Full stop.
I have so many thoughts swirling right now, but I have this gut feeling there are no other shooters...probably only because the police haven't said anything about them up to this point.
It's an approach same as any other. One can't say it's the best or not until after the fact but I'd look at it like this:
The man had already demonstrated his desire to kill people so wasn't in doubt.
People have been known to booby trap their bodies in the event they're incapacitated.
So no reason not to take the man at his word.
A flashbang's not going to disorient an explosive. CS gas is not going to disorient explosives. If he wasn't bluffing neither of those options would have deterred an explosive.
On the flip side, if he had the ability to remotely detonate anything a robot rolling in might have very well clued him off that then was the time. Of course while the area's evacuated and people are taking cover'd probably be the best time for the guy to blow them from a public safety standpoint.
That said I think there is also a resource management aspect to this, how long do they want to tie up personnel when there could possibly be more people on the loose?
If the negotiator believed they got all they were going to get and was reasonably sure that they weren't taking him alive I personally believe that eliminating him as quickly as possible is the correct course and direct some freed up people elsewhere or place them on standby in the event more horror was to come.
ElRenoRaven
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Yup. The video showed the person had training and was cold and calculating. Everyone called it. he was either ex military or a militia type with lots of training. So yea being ex military sounds exactly right.
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