Lactose_Intolerant
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I was pointing out that they use drones on more than groups of people. Nothing about if they should use a drone in this case.
Unless I totally misinterpreted what you were saying which it looks like I did
Shots fired at Police during Dallas Police anti-violence protest (5 officers killed)
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I was pointing out that they use drones on more than groups of people. Nothing about if they should use a drone in this case.
Unless I totally misinterpreted what you were saying which it looks like I did
gamechanger87
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Because this isn't CoD. Flashbangs are disorientation devices and are better used as distractions (if they know where you are coming from it doesn't help, and the effect is short lived), tear gas is better as a dispersal agent not an incapacitator. There really aren't any things that can knock a person out cold, they will always be aware. The Russians tried to knock out the terrorists in the concert hall years ago and they ended up poisoning the hostages.
This combined with the fact that the guy claims to have a bomb means you don't risk a human life.
I swear this stuff is brought up all the time. The only time a threat is incapcitated is when it is dead and even then they may be booby trapped so you still arent safe. Are you going to be the police officer who sends officers to rush an armed suspect that says he will kill you and may be booby trapped? They will be covering open ground and will be at risk.
doctorblurg
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There are 3 other suspects who were taken into custody, he wasn't the only shooter we're still going to get answers
sir_bumble_bee
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All that needs to be said. Police had no other options that could end the threat while keeping casualties where they were at that moment. That's life.
ShockingAlberto
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Mmh, I think it is not hard to justify how the police handled the explosion and the fourth shooter and how it was likely necessary and a last resort.
But I really don't like "They could have killed them all, and it would have been understandable, so by the numbers it was okay" as reasoning. At all.
What does brought to justice even mean in situation as horrible as this?
Edit: exactly, we have 3 other people that can rot in a cell, will sadly talk and be quoted in media for the other nut jobs to praise.
Thanks. I needed some levity
Spoiled Milk
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I want to find out where he bought a gun. That's all I want to know.
In an open parking garage?
well, I don't think anyone is upset for one.
But people do think its weird as fuck. the police shoot people, they arrest people, they do a lot of things, but this is the first I've heard them tactically blow someone up deliberately with a bomb robot. Its not in their mandate. Its nowhere in their wheelhouse. This is like...completely new shit.
maquiladora
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"Suspects" doesn't mean shooters. They may be involved in some way directly, indirectly or it may turn out they had nothing to do with it at all. There is still so much we don't know.
Would a slow death bring back those dead cops? Would it do anything to stop the cycle of violence that caused the incident in first place?
CyclopsRock
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In a meaningful way, though? It seems like a bit of an arbitrary thing to care about.
The Albatross
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What's most upsetting about this to me is listening to the people interviewed on NPR this morning who said that they felt some degree of solidarity with the police in the Dallas march, that the police where giving them an opportunity to protest peacefully, and a lot of progress had been made in Dallas since people fired on the police station last year.
One of the organizers of the march (A pastor, the guy who had a black cross with him but I didn't catch his name) said that at the time shots were being fired, he was standing with one of the Police corporals or heads of the police talking with him, and then shots rang out, the Pastor -- very emotionally -- said "My cross became a Sheppard's staff to lead people away from the gunfire as the officer [he was talking] to ran towards the gun shots."
This was on NPR's Morning Edition today. They'll probably replay it because it was a powerful interview.
One of the organizers of the march (A pastor, the guy who had a black cross with him but I didn't catch his name) said that at the time shots were being fired, he was standing with one of the Police corporals or heads of the police talking with him, and then shots rang out, the Pastor -- very emotionally -- said "My cross became a Sheppard's staff to lead people away from the gunfire as the officer [he was talking] to ran towards the gun shots."
This was on NPR's Morning Edition today. They'll probably replay it because it was a powerful interview.
VeryGooster
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Old news? I dunno the time between NPR getting news and a headline on my phone lock screen but the shooter was ID'd.
Lan Dong Mik
And why would I want them?
Fucking insane. Heard a bunch of good things about this PD unit in this part of Dallas, and then listening to how this guy was treated after he turned himself in. Fucking pisses me off. Those guys seem like highly educated upstanding citizens too from the interviews I've seen, especially the older brother. Thank god nothing happened to them.
Nope.
TheFuzz
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People need to remember we are posting on and Internet forum the day after it happened. Police don't get to play Monday morning QB. It's not right for us to ponder the political implications or wax and wane over the sociological impacts of how they handled it.
Guy kills innocent people.
Guy wants to kill more, wants to kill you.
You can kill him and protect everyone else by using an expensive RC car.
You have seconds to decide. Let's not dramatize this. It wasn't drones, flashbangs don't help your kill streak, it's not a game. They did the right thing in the moment.
Guy kills innocent people.
Guy wants to kill more, wants to kill you.
You can kill him and protect everyone else by using an expensive RC car.
You have seconds to decide. Let's not dramatize this. It wasn't drones, flashbangs don't help your kill streak, it's not a game. They did the right thing in the moment.
if you're playing with scales maybe
Its not about 'how', its about Why they killed him? Justice us not about vindiction.
They used the last of their reserves in Shadow Moses and somehow missed the stun grenade and cardboard box cache in Outer Heaven.
DontBeThatGuy
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It's even more fucked up that his picture of him, identified as a suspect, is still up on the Dallas PD twitter.
kopitarrulez_11
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I can't believe I missed the St paul incident I was downtown at the adele concert and got home and was like what how'd did I miss that crazy stuff
Yep the shooter identity has already come out.
doctorblurg
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Those suspects are the reason they have an idea for what the motive was isn't it? Or was that gathered during the negotiations with the guy in the parking garage? I'm sorry if I have that part wrong.
The digital age we live in. Hopefully he is digitally vindicated as quickly as he was digitally targeted.
But as long as people are walking around with digital devices that can broadcast to the world in a matter of seconds, this will happen. Honestly it could have been much worst, he could have been killed if he didn't get fair warning.
Not officially confirmed by police yet but a lot of people reporting it, yeah.
Also:
Well look at the tools they were given, look at the lives lost, it's an equation that only had one right answer
LizardKing
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It's really shitty that we've been dealing with decades long problems with our criminal justice system with systemic racism, police brutality and corruption which has cost the lives (literally and practically) of thousands and thousands of people. This culminating this week with two innocent lives lost and thousands of peaceful protesters throughout the country trying to enact change in our CJ system, but now all we are going to hear about and talk about is this nutter who killed 5 cops. Our priorities are really fucked up sometimes.
backflip10019
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Good post.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/dallas-shooting-suspect-kill-whites/
Dallas suspect said he wanted to kill "whites"
Dallas suspect said he wanted to kill "whites"
VeryGooster
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Sorry yeah I know how frustrating a fast moving thread can be when people post the same stuff so my bad.
I feel bad for this dude. Part of the protest, exercising his rights. Shooting started and witnesses reported to police that he had something to do with it. Police put out his photo and mistakenly tweet that he's a suspect. Media continues to call him a suspect instead of a person of interest. He was failed by so many people that I'm glad he's okay. His brother was amazing though.
Leatherface
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I think the reason has been pretty clear at this point.
old manatee
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BlackClouds
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DPD should've taken the suspect alive. If they need a few hours to do it then do it. Blowing him up, I cannot remember that being done before and sets a dangerous precedent.
CyclopsRock
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Well, what is the distinction? I mean, it's not like it's an autonomous kill robot. It was controlled by a person, just like all the other weapons in their "wheelhouse".
doctorblurg
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they literally already spent 4 hours trying to do it after he was continuing to fire at them and claiming to have bombs. It was either use the robot or try and take him alive and get even more officers killed
ShockingAlberto
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I'd argue that we're obligated to, if no one else will.
cr0w
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Ziltoidia 9
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The only thing I can think of is chaos was going on, everyone was fragmented, and the police probably didn't know everything as it was happening.
I mean I get it, that they need to check on this guy just to make sure, and they probably didnt know of the video where he was handing the gun over, but trying to play someone into confessing is a huge problem.
I mean I get it, that they need to check on this guy just to make sure, and they probably didnt know of the video where he was handing the gun over, but trying to play someone into confessing is a huge problem.
wesleyshark
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No. There was no taking him alive. That was pretty clear.
Zoe
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They've only relayed what was said by the garage shooter. They don't want to release any other details in case there are more suspects out there.
The Albatross
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Minnesota and Baton Rouge, Louisiana.
Alligatorjandro
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So who is the named suspect? The one arrested?
old manatee
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Baton Rouge. A black suspect in front a convenience store, already on the ground with other cops on top of him, was shot repeatedly.
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