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[Shin-Ra]

That's not MS messaging, that's other fuckheads messaging though. As you're noting, it's actually super obvious to anyone that is remotely listening to what Phil has said. Like, if someone writes an article about a sony console and gets a bunch of shit wrong, that's not Sony's messaging being off.

Arthur Gies or Rod Fergusson?

 

[dgrdsv]

Volta is 2018 last I saw. I can't imagine how they could take a 13-14TF 1080Ti/Titan Y to 24TF in a year on the same node and architecture.

Volta for HPC is 2017, they can't breach the contracts they have set. Volta for desktops may by 2018 but it's not like they need Volta to get to 24TF. GP104 is a 314mm^2 GPU which provides ~9TF of FP32 throughput. Multiply that by 2 and you get a ~600mm^2 GPU with ~18TF of FP32 throughput. So maybe not 24 but something close to 20 is definitely possible even with Pascal @ 16nm.

 

[Proelite]

The messaging has been a clusterfck since E3 reveal.

And what's the consequence of the clusterfuck? Lower console sales? I don't think it'll have any impact at all on sales. And why would it matter to gaffers? Sooner or later we will get to the truth.

So a clusterfuck that has no consequences except as a term for some concern troll to throw around.

If Microsoft came and lied during E3 that Scorpio would not play Xbox One games, that would be a clusterfuck that they still have a year to take back and mitigate. Gamers interested in getting a Scorpio would find out the truth sooner or later. The ones that stay uniformed are not going to be buying several hundred dollar consoles anyway.

If Microsoft releases an underpowered console in comparion to their competitors, that's a clusterfuck that messaging can't fix.

 

[Pathfinder]

The messaging has been a clusterfck since E3 reveal.

It really hasn't been all that bad.

 

[OnionPowder]

It really hasn't been all that bad.

In the scope of Microsoft communication it's been a solid B in my book

 

[Brewmont]

Yeah I really don't see what people have been confused about.

 

[Glass Shark]

Turns out it was true:

The frame rate-analysis wizards at Eurogamer's Digital Foundry confirmed the good news after testing older Xbox One games. Many titles won't see any boost at all—which is what we found in cursory testing of 15 games, both for the normal system and for its backwards-compatibility library. However, if an older game runs on Xbox One S using either unlocked frame rates (meaning, not tied to v-sync) or dynamic resolution (meaning, it can scale down from 1080p on the fly to improve performance), players might see the a boost by as much as nine frames per second.

 

[Proelite]

Turns out it was true:

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

 

[wesleyshark]

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

Not really.

 

[angelic]

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

He'd have been destroyed if he played it up when some games get 0-1fps boost.

 

[Gator86]

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

If anything, he deserves credit for being cautious and not overselling something to consumers.

 

[Tatsumi Oga]

But don't we already have the specs from DF today? Highly doubt it's a big improvement. Comparison videos should tell us all.

 

[Proelite]

Not really.

Yes to flak.

Bring out the 88mms.

 

[Bizzquik]

He'd have been destroyed if he played it up when some games get 0-1fps boost.

Correct.
Better for a pleasant (small) surprise than a PR dumpster fire.

My only critique is that I would have liked to see Digital Foundry be allowed to issue their analysis a week ago - before the massive discounts on the original Xbox One happened. Would've been the more consumer-friendly approach, it is might have impacted some purchases.
All in all, though, Phil handled this the right way.

 

[Anton Sugar]

He'd have been destroyed if he played it up when some games get 0-1fps boost.

Exactly. There's a screen of one game showing a 5+ fps boost in a specific section, but most games got 0-2 fps boost.

 

[CrazE]

Cracks me up reading some people think that under promising and over delivering is somehow bad.

And now for some reason Phil Spencer deserves flack. Holy smokes!

 

[angelic]

Phil's just a good guy too, i genuinely believe when he says "don't buy this expecting more performance" he's stopping people from wasting their money. If you fancy a trade up for the nice new box, cool, he's just setting expectations realistically. He's got integrity, I don't dare dream what Mattrick would have come out with.

 

[Übermatik]

Does this give us better pixels?

 

[AP90]

Correct.
Better for a pleasant (small) surprise than a PR dumpster fire.

My only critique is that I would have liked to see Digital Foundry be allowed to issue their analysis a week ago - before the massive discounts on the original Xbox One happened. Would've been the more consumer-friendly approach, it is might have impacted some purchases.
All in all, though, Phil handled this the right way.

This

 

[cackhyena]

So Gies was justified. Woooooaaaah

 

[TH-Work]

Awesome

Can't wait to purchase the XBox One S 500 GB for €299,00 Euro

 

[McSpidey]

Now this turns out to be true it's actually more concerning that the Gears4 devs are ok letting the minor Xbox One S performance boost 'fix' their optimisation rather than targeting the OG Xbox One profile to not drop below res/FPS goals in the first place.

 

[BibiMaghoo]

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

If he proclaimed a boost on games performance and many of them have nothing, and those that do only in certain situations, he would have been ripped apart. It would have been rightly viewed as distasteful PR spin. He made the right call for sure on this, and I'm generally back of the queue when it comes to praising the guy.

 

[TH-Work]

Have they confirmed when the cheaper models are coming out? That 2TB is too much for me to lay down.

If I remember right than they'll be released on 23. August 2016

 

[lastwolf82]

picking mine up tomorrow very excited for this

 

[Okami Haundo]

If he proclaimed a boost on games performance and many of them have nothing, and those that do only in certain situations, he would have been ripped apart. It would have been rightly viewed as distasteful PR spin. He made the right call for sure on this, and I'm generally back of the queue when it comes to praising the guy.

I came here to say this and you beat me to the punch. If the performance gains were substantial across all games, Microsoft would absolutely be marketing the One S as an improvement.

 

[draughn101]

He'd have been destroyed if he played it up when some games get 0-1fps boost.

Exactly. Do people really need something to cry about?

 

[malfcn]

He answered in an interview that they aren't focusing on that because the benefit is low.

 

[Backfoggen]

Hello everyone this is a joke post

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1238955

 

[VCL]

so the differences with ps4 are now marginal.

 

[OdysseusVA]

so the differences with ps4 are now marginal.

they're basically identical now. no more 720p games!

 

[family_guy]

so the differences with ps4 are now marginal.

No they aren't.

 

[cackhyena]

they're basically identical now. no more 720p games!

Uh...

 

[Art Vandilay]

they're basically identical now. no more 720p games!

The S didn't get that big of a boost, did it? Can't tell if sarcastic.

 

[catofthecanals]

Spencer deserves some flak for downplaying this.

This is crazy talk.

 

[cackhyena]

This is crazy talk.

I think it's a joke.

 

[dallow_bg]

Glad people can eat crow now.
Slight boost, just like Coalition studio head stated.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

I can't wait to see the 360 stuff on scorpio! Going to run well and enhance games in good ways hopefully.

Also wish they could just do pc ports of the existing one game, no reason to boost those one games when you already have something that is a lot better. Do it MS! PS4 to the trash (not really, but goodbye ps4 multi plats)

If you do it, just annouce it early enough so I can stop buying the games on ps4 is all

 

[CosmicQueso]

Hello everyone this is a joke post

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1238955

That thread was annoying and hilarious and frustrating and ludicrous and ridiculous and depressing.

Only good thing was putting that OP on ignore.

 

[Jack The Nipper]

That thread was annoying and hilarious and frustrating and ludicrous and ridiculous and depressing.

Only good thing was putting that OP on ignore.

Too hard to ignore him otherwise? It doesnt ignore new threads on the board does it?

 

[Lil'DigiOp]

I came here to say this and you beat me to the punch. If the performance gains were substantial across all games, Microsoft would absolutely be marketing the One S as an improvement.

From the jump they said the One S is the perfected form factor of Xbone, the bell and whistle is 4K Video and Bluray, maybe HDR if you can support it...

I don't get how people can confuse something so simple

 

[Bsigg12]

Now this turns out to be true it's actually more concerning that the Gears4 devs are ok letting the minor Xbox One S performance boost 'fix' their optimisation rather than targeting the OG Xbox One profile to not drop below res/FPS goals in the first place.

Huh? The boost is being specifically used for HDR support in Gears 4.