StrongBlackVine
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A powerful console for the people that don't want to play on PC? Owning both seems redundant now.
PS4 Neo presentation might have leaked
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A powerful console for the people that don't want to play on PC? Owning both seems redundant now.
Hockeymac18
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Probably depends on pricing, but there are plenty of people who like high end consoles (I'm generally one of those people, even though I maybe play 1-2 PC games a year). I guess the definition of "high end" and how close it is to PC pricing are the big questions here.
Glass Shark
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People don't generally use PowerPoint like they used to. It's no longer just a tool for displaying presentations on a screen.
Halo being on PC won't stop people enjoying it on Scorpio
Halo being on PC won't make the entire world suddenly open and interested in PC gaming
Lol shook by Scorpio. Keep dreaming. Sony always announced slim consoles around August closer to holidays to not affect sales of their current console. They are not looking at neo to replace existing ps4 so it makes sense they will try to keep the announce and release close. Ms just wanted to assure people they also have a high end Xbox coming and so they made a big deal about it at e3 so as to stop people from picking up the neo this holiday.
Agreed. I find comments like Sony pulled out of e3 at showing neo because of Scorpio also hilarious.
Garrett 2U
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It seems like a pretty substantial power difference between Scorpio and Neo.
I'm curious how the pricing will turn out, as well as the VR support on both.
I'm curious how the pricing will turn out, as well as the VR support on both.
It is for the console gamer who wants the best looking and running 3rd party games which are 80% of games. Also with forward compatibility I will have a next gen MS console if the PS5 blows me away. If it has a Zen I will be there day 1. I honestly think Sony undershot. I see no reason to get a NEO to be honest if you all ready have a PS4. A couple of extra effects are nice and all but hardly worth 399.99.
why did Sony end with Days Gone demo? They could of done that after if got revealed at the beginning of the conference? Just seems like they moved something out of the conference.
CrispyBoar
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Yeah, I just gave up after a while. Let them believe what they want to believe.
piccio_ssl
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unconfirmed rumor said that was red dead 3 announcement spot
cancelled after orlando's attack
CloudyTuba
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Yeah, I'm aware. The app isn't great and the media remote SUCKS. I was so excited to get it but then I saw some actual reviews.
What I've been hoping for is that 4k becomes a large marketing push for the Neo. If media becomes a large enough focus for them (like BD for PS3 was) it may push them to improve the app and release a better remote.
Fingers crossed.
Maybe they didn't want to do back to back demos but also highlight all their exclusives. It seems like a decent option to bookend your conference with gameplay demos. I will agree that it did feel like something was missing but I honestly doubt neo was the one that was pulled. Announcing and releasing shortly after like Apple is very smart
It is possible that a game that involves shooting people was pulled but who knows
MS knows this, which is why they shifted focus from trying to sell more hardware than Sony to trying to get more users for their games and services. As long as their user base continues to grow, they will be happy.
If this doesn't get the year headstart than yes it's done.
Huge Succeeded
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Nah, not when it means that my siblings can boot up Halo or Forza on Scorpio and I can boot up Halo or Forza on PC and play with them. Might even only have to own one copy between the two of us to do that.
The only reason 360 came out ahead was because it had a year headstart and Sony priced themselves out with 599 neither of which is going to repeat. PlayStation is a stronger brand no matter what ms does. power is not going to be a huge differentiator
Your friend didn't read the documents
I think devs will settle for downsampling from 1440p, or 1080p at great IQ, which would be fine with me in addition to higher settings
Giant Panda
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It really won't matter if PS4 Neo gets a year on the market to itself and is $100 or so cheaper. The enthusiasts that care enough about the difference in power to wait and pay the price markup aren't as large as semi-casuals that will equate the two refreshes as being on the same level, just as they see the XB1 and PS4 being on the same level now.
Damn, kind of sad. Its not like the technology doesn't exist for higher resolutions. There's no emotion engine or cell processor to invent. The parts are on the shelf. Sony is just trying to maximize profit with this.
Not really...A true 4k PS4 would be way too expensive to reasonably sell.
wesleyshark
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On the plus side, this means the Neo will be far more affordable than the Scorpio. My wallet is already cringing for Fall 2017 lol.
GhostTrick
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Not too impressive but all I want from this is the UHD blu-ray player. I'll use this for the odd exclusive. Other than that, PC all the way. It'll be nice to have a UHD player together with my console and not have to buy one separately.
Anyone who expected this to play GAMES at 4K was kidding themselves.
Anyone who expected this to play GAMES at 4K was kidding themselves.
Metalingus5150
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Didn't Microsoft say there wouldn't be framerate differences between Xbone and Scorpio?
Pingu!!!!! <3
thekiddfran
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This has most likely changed since Scorpio announcement
StrongBlackVine
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I don't think so and why would they say that? Sony has no policy preventing Neo from running game at a higher framerate than the current PS4.
I guess that is true if you care about MS core IPs. I don't so it wouldn't be a factor for me. On the other hand I'm really invested into Sony IPs so I'll probably end up buying this Neo even though I'm disappointed with current info we have. PC/PS4 Neo future.
Dash Kappei
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230% sure would, right? Unfortunately Einstein you ain't my friend.
Edit: Or maybe...
Everything you wrote is something OsirisBlack has posted and someone else on the "journalist" side has told me in one way, shape, or form. Right now Sony is being very quiet about Neo - and I find it really strange that we are this close to launch and they are still "mum" on the entire thing.
I have a suspicion a lot of Sony's initial marketing catch for Neo- HDR, 4K support, UHD Playback might have lost it's thunder when Microsoft announced the Slim Xbox One would contain all those features. If you strip away the media functionality that comes with Neo- you end up with a machine that looks to be playing the game far too safe to be considered a substantial upgrade.
The irony is 6 teraflops versus 4.2 teraflops will essentially yield a resolution difference of 1440P and 4K at 30 FPS - probably less / probably more - just guessing - but the "pitch" for Neo is going to have to be more interesting than a "High End" PS4. That sort of marketing has 32X written all over it.
GhostTrick
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StrongBlackVine
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Strange in what way? Looks like they want to pull a Sega Saturn!!
ALLseeingEYE
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Phil Spencer did actually say that, but I really hope that don't uphold that policy, since it is absurd. If most people are using scorprio at 1080p, you could easily use that power to maximize the framerate and image quality, anything less is an unnecessary waste, unless there are some other fancy visual options available.
With regards to Neo, I'm very curios if Sony has upgraded the specs in the wake of Neo. I suspect it's lack of E3 appearance was precisely to see if MS would show its cards. If Neo is only 4.2 Teraflops, that sounds like a large tech gap, due to an incredibly odd release timing for Neo.
Elven_Star
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I'm just looking for an excuse not to build a PC, because I can't really afford it. Give me 1080p60 with better IQ and I'll be happy. It's not gonna happen though, is it?
EventHorizon
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Why? Sony announced the PS3 Slim on Aug 18, 2009 for a release just 14 days later on September 1, 2009. There is nothing unusual about announcing close to launch. In fact it makes a lot of sense to do that in order to not sabotage sales until then.
No, if one thing I can say about Sony, is that they keep very quiet. Microosft has actually been the one with bravado over the last few years. Every year before E3 we hear something along the lines of: "The greatest line up in Xbox History!" or "The best E3 we've had since....". Sony remains mute leaving us wondering what the hell is going on.
Irishonion
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So Neo is useless without a 4k TV?
too early to say. it really depends on how developers embrace it
To get comparable per-pixel IQ at 4K you'd need 4x the computational power and bandwidth for the GPU. That's simply not affordable at mass-market prices and it won't be next year, either. It would take a ~7.5TF GPU with a wide bus to on-package memory like HBM2 to put out PS4-level imagery at 4K.
It's clear we're going to have a compromise of some kind for the foreseeable future. Neither the Scorpio nor the Neo have the horsepower to do otherwise for AAA titles. Three to four years from now I expect the story will be different.
No, think of it as PS4 with "ultra" settings. You can't exactly double the framerate in CPU bound games, but think of it as a PS4 with "ultra" quality shadows, texture filtering, ambient occlusion, higher quality motion blur- etc. Essentially it can be a minor difference or a huge difference depending on the type of person you are and how much you care about details.
StrongBlackVine
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I know. I was joking.