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PS5 ROM keys leaked
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Solarstrike
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What does this mean? Bloodborne has to be confirmed for PC now? 
saintjules
Gold Member
People still say pwned?
3liteDragon
Member
Console modding & PC emulation will be much faster (probably still take years to perfect) I'm assuming, since emulation devs can now understand exactly how games communicate with the console hardware & build their emulators based on that.What does this mean? Bloodborne has to be confirmed for PC now?
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Kindjal
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So, for the less versed (like me), what does this mean?
I see
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BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
Hypereides
Member
From what I can tell RSA and IVs got leaked too? Oof.
I wonder if this implicates them in exploitation of the recent MongoBleed vulnerability. The timely distance between this and Ubisoft is interesting.
I wonder if this implicates them in exploitation of the recent MongoBleed vulnerability. The timely distance between this and Ubisoft is interesting.
Yes.
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3liteDragon
Member
This doesn't sound like something Sony can patch with a software update either since it's a hardware lvl leak, the keys are burned into every retail PS5 they've sold so far. It's permanent.
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Jinzo Prime
Member
Well. I might be getting a PS5 after all. Jailbreak!
Unknown Soldier
Member
In the context of hacking? Yes
ToadMan
Member
What does this mean? Bloodborne has to be confirmed for PC now?
Nah, but could mean we get a 60FPS version of it on PS5.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Yes
nush
Member
Noooo It's homebrew.
MidGenRefresh
*Refreshes biennially
Amazing.
nowhat
Member
They do, and if you already haven't subscribed to https://haveibeenpwned.com/ you should.
(the service basically sends an email whenever your info is leaked by whatever party)
MrTroubleMaker
Member
nowhat
Member
This basically, if the information is correct, allows the PS5 to run any code. And we're not talking about something that can be easily fixed by a firmware update. Very, very, big oof.
Hypereides
Member
HIBP isn't that good though imo. There are alternative breach database sources that flaunt sensitive creds and info to really highlight how compromised your accounts have become.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
At least wait for independent conformation, ffs.
Microcode can be patched, considering how PS5 is online-involved, this leak (even if true) probably do way less harm than you think.
Ellis
Member
Illusion 60fps (and 120, I believe) patches for when Playing Bloodborne on PS5. I don't think he was able to modify the rendering resolution though. Stuck at 1080p. ShadPS4 still suffers from shader compilation which undoes all the good of a higher frame rate to the point where even 30fps on base PS4 is preferable. A sturterfest the entire play through whilst it is compiling, and then again when you update your driver or emulator after a few versions. Hacked PS5 is the best way.
I sold my OG system when I got the Pro. Should have kept it
I sold my OG system when I got the Pro. Should have kept it
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winjer
Gold Member
Yes, but I bet a lot of people are going to avoid firmware updates, so they can keep their PS5 jailbroken.
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
A lot of people apply fw updates automatically, it's a good news for enthusiasts and small homebrew bubble, but that's it.
PS4 was hacked for years, barely disrupted the platform.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
If this news is accurate, this would be one of the first steps to making that happen. I'm personally less excited about the piracy aspect and more excited about the PS5's now inevitable ability to run emulation platforms and homebrew code. It'd still be a ways off I would think, but given the nature of the PS5 architecture I can imagine it would eventually be possible to run something like SteamOS on a PS5 or PS5 Pro.
winjer
Gold Member
True. And most PS5 users won't even hear about this news. Much less be able to jailbreak a console.
Still, for the enthusiasts and homebrew community this is great news.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Wonder if this is where they came from?
ReyBrujo
Member
Programmer but not security expert by all means. I remember Sony could revoke keys from blurays, so they might be able to do the same here, as in new games would not be able to play in banned consoles. What I don't fully understand is why PS5 needs a private key, shouldn't they have only a public key to check against the private key held by Sony in HQ?
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Oh, that we can agree on.
winjer
Gold Member
That is a good question. And the timing fits very well.
Isn't a firmware update able to flash new ROM keys? Pretty sure it is.
PonyStation4
Member
Sony sees PS5 sales go up 40%
Realizes game sales haven't increased
Realizes game sales haven't increased
nowhat
Member
Right, but what would happen to say existing optical media?
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
The console itself has a security processor that's got a private key burned into it's read only memory (ROM). This allows the console to verify (and thus, play) games that are inserted into the console from discs or to verify the authenticity of digital games while offline. This has to be possible unless Sony is ready to require an internet connection and disallow any offline play.
As it's engineered now, you can purchase a PS5 console and a game on a disc, never connect it to the internet, and still play that game. The console itself is the state of authority to determine what is genuine, such as the game on that disc. If they used a central online public key, the console could potentially be hacked using a man-in-the-middle attack that would tell the console that arbitrary code was actually valid.
They can absolutely patch this with a firmware update by generating a new security key and flashing it to this chip, but the problem of being able to run existing disc-based games offline (as I outlined above) goes into a catch-22 state. If you change this key, all existing disc-based games will now be considered unauthorized code. Every game (both disc and digital) would also have to be patched online to work with the new security key. Trying to run a disc based game offline (without the latest title update that has the new keys) on a patched console would throw an error.
They'll have to weigh doing this against the potential fallout of piracy vs the number of customer support issues they would face. Either way, this means people who are offline or on a firmware version that hasn't patched the new security key should be able to run whatever code they want. Having root-level access even means potentially installing modified (cracked) versions of the consoles later firmware revisions, as it is possible to do with the Switch and was popular on the PS3.
