Bojji
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Those games are just tiny fraction of libraries of PS1 and PS2.
I counted ~17 games here for PS4/PS5:
List of downloadable PlayStation games (PAL region) - Wikipedia
Most PS2 games are "unreleased" on PS4/PS5:
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Those games are just tiny fraction of libraries of PS1 and PS2.
I counted ~17 games here for PS4/PS5:
Most PS2 games are "unreleased" on PS4/PS5:
yogaflame
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Ill be honest. I bought allot of pirated games last ps1 and ps2 era. Last ps3 era I did not jailbreak my ps3 because i was afrad to damage my ps3 and not able to play online. But for ps4 and ps5 era, i really preferred the original copy which helps supports game developers.
You can watch these two videos for when there is a video memory deficit that pushes data into system memory. Using a PCIe 5.0 mobo isnt going to have any
In this video its clearly demonstrated, newer PCIe but lower memory bandwidth wont improve anything.
A 16GB 5060ti using PCIe 3.0 outperforms an 8GB 5060 on PCIe 5.0 by over 60% since no data has to be fetched from system memory, every necessary asset in resident in vram. If the Steam Machine hits vram deficit and places that data in system memory it wont be able to match a system with a better gpu more memory and memory bandwidth despite pcie 5.0.
This video just demonstrates fundamentally why a vram memory deficit is bad. even on the same pcie board, fetching data into system memory during a vram memory deficit yields no noticeable benefit in performance.
So the Steam Machine just physically has a narrower bus width, lower capacity and not even PCIe 5.0 can compensate for that, base PS5 alone will always outperform it despite PCIe 4.0 since no gaming assets are ever resident in low bandwidth memory. If it had more VRAM then there would be significant gains in terms of texture quality at least. Like say 10-12GB of gddr6, but there's about 4.5GB more high bandwidth memory in the base PS5.
You're comparing a first order constraint(GPU bandwidth, VRAM size) to a second order theoretical challenge from early PS4 days. Memory contention between the CPU and GPU if unaddressed by the PS5 would still outperform the Steam Machine's first order contraints of lower VRAM and bandwidth. But Sony has actually addressed any potential theoretical issues by designing the memory controller to smartly schedule access such that the CPU and GPU never thrash each other. The PS5 unified memory has no memory contention issues. As well the software APIs have CPU/GPU scheduling so devs simply have to drop data into unified memory without any worry about such a second order constraint. Memory contention only came about during early PS4 days and even then it was about designing around a fixed budget than unified memory is fundamentally flawed.
As you can see in the slide you attached, its estimated you'd need above 64MB of L3 cache to start seeing compelling bandwidth gains with 120MB being the sweet spot. 32MB doesnt hit that threshold. So its quite a stretch to say the Steam Machine will have as much memory bandwidth as the PS5.Yes, 32Mb of L3 cache helps a lot with reducing memory accesses. Around 30% at 4K, Around 45% at 1440p and around 55% at 1080p.
This is AMD's own data. And was also corroborated by nvidia, when they started using a big L2 cache as well.
So in practical terms the APU in the Steam Machine will have as much bandwidth as the PS5. And it will have the advantage of lower latency for anything that hits the L3 on the GPU.
I agree the Zen 4 cores are better and the CPU in the Steam Machine will be better but I think in games like GTA 6, PS5 CPU will provide the edge with the 2.5 extra cores considering the game engine is built for highly parallel multithreaded workloads. So yes in the vast majority of games Steam machine CPU is better. I dont want to go into too many cpu related things for example only 2 of the 6 cores in the steam machine can boost up to 4.8Ghz, but yes steam machine has better cpu.
Try harder. Delisting a game is it no longer being available for purchase most likely due to an expired license. Everyone that has a copy of it still has a copy and can continue to play it.
Instead, a game you purchased, that you might physically have the disk for and can install, and had single player elements. Which you can no longer play in any way because a company turned off servers. That's complete and utter bullshit.
And who said anything about piracy being morally correct? Piracy is the crime of copy infringement. It's not stealing or "theft". Theft is the act of taking something from someone which deprives them of that. An example would be a company taking away a person's ability to play a single player game. That's a pretty good example of stealing something.
All this legal mumbo jumbo can be confusing. But if you are going to mount up on a moral high horse and proclaim yourself superior to others via your virtuous actions. You really need to have your argument's ducks in a row. Else you just come off as a smooth brained Nintendiot.
Tons being a small fraction of what was offered for purchase on the PS3 and is locked to systems that are no longer supported.
Sony does get props in that you can claim the PS4/PS5 copy for free if you owned the older version for a majority of these new releases, but not all.
And less than two dozen about of thousands of games for the PS1 alone isn't a "ton".
While the PS4 and PS5 don't support Audio CDs, their drives are still able to read the disks. Sony could have an software emulator that played any disk, and let you download digital copies of any of the games you previously bought. There's no need for updates for trophies, the original games just didn't have them.
Over the past decade we've seen many older games be ported or remastered to modern platforms. These include collections that were mostly just a frontend for an emulator and a handful of ROMs. And what happened? I don't have numbers but they kept coming so people must have bought them, I sure bought a bunch that I was interested in.
It's almost like not complaining that people are pirating old games, and instead making them commercially available will have people give you money for them instead.
Though I do see several "game developers" complaining in this thread. I have to wonder if they have brightly dyed hair and are just upset that people want to play good old games rather than the modern slop that they created. No one cares that your parents don't "get you". They still paid for your college and are still playing for your apartment so you can push out crap with "modern ideals" that no normal person actually wants to buy.
kpopSuperstar
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Which games took away the single-player? apart from The Crew and licensed games.
Fabieter
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Such a hypocrit quote from him considering most big games have steam drm on his platform.
SportsFan581
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These units will go up in value now. Ebay scaplbers are probably looking around for the right units as we speak.
That Steam DRM that's extremely easy to crack? It's little more than a disk check. Nothing like the garage that is Denuvo that affects game performance and causes stuttering.
Valve does have some tech that's deeper but it's used for Vac which is anticheat. That needs to be able to find things than could be running at higher permissions.
Once a game is installed and ran once, it can be played offline without intermittent license checks or other BS.
It's not DRM free like GOG. But it's a far better compromise than the other solutions out there. Some publishers won't release with DRM and aren't on GOG.