PS4 Neo presentation might have leaked

Waiting for visual examples. Sony said they wanted this to keep players from going back to PC, but I don't know... those specs are ever so slight of a bump I don't see it pulling PC gamer's back to it. All I can see this bump doing is maybe doing something about screen tearing, locking to 30fps or 60fps (whatever the game is close to hitting), slightly better draw distance, etc.

I think NEO as a console is going to look almost the same as regular PS4. The revisions of hardware are just over clocks and refined bits, which are probably the same size as the old hardware by now.

Also "Same hard drive as PS4". So probably NO Sata 3. Disappointing.
 
StrongBlackVine said:
They just dominated this current generation by coming in cheaper and more powerful. There is no perfect combination for success. Nintendo was cheaper, weaker and sold the worst.
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Because Nintendo only has first party, and doesn't have the same general pull for audiences without a Wii like gimmick.

Sony's stars only aligned once for PS4 in terms of technical superiority because MS fucked up so bad they cut out their own heart at the start, not to say Sony would not have sold the most anyway.

MS could have had a pretty beefy unit in terms of components with that VCR design they had, but decided to intentionally focus elsewhere and not even bother, while launching at 499 with a peripheral nobody wanted. They basically pulled the trigger on themselves
 
Omnii-chan said:
Waiting for visual examples. Sony said they wanted this to keep players from going back to PC
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How many times are people going to repeat this? They don't care about keeping up with PC hardware, they were talking specifically about late 7th gen's effect and how a NEO might help circumvent that in some ways. It wasn't even House that brought PC up, but the interviewer.
 
It's looking like the Xbox Scorpio is going to crush the new PS4 Neo in performance.

I have both a PS4 and Xbox One, and I might switch over to making the Xbone my main console (right now it's PS4 as my main), just so I can stay in the same ecosystem once the new and more powerful Scorpio comes out. I always go with the more powerful system every generation.
 
GhostTrick said:
No, that's the norm. Forward compatibility means you're library isn't tied to one hardware anymore. Hurt creativity because of last gen hardware ? No, you just cut the ties to PS4 when PS5 gets released. And cut the ties with PS4 Neo when PS5 Neo is released.

It would hurt their whole ecosystem simply because that'd be a terrible move for consumers. You don't make hardware upgrades if it's to make it half assed.
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Do you realise that your concept of forward compatibility would not work in the real world? It'd be damaging to SIE in a number of ways.

Backwards compatibility is the only compatibility you should expect with PS5.
 
Looking forward to some sweet super-sampled PSVR action.


Soupy said:
It's looking like the Xbox Scorpio is going to crush the new PS4 Neo in performance.

I have both a PS4 and Xbox One, and I might switch over to making the Xbone my main console (right now it's PS4 as my main), just so I can stay in the same ecosystem once the new and more powerful Scorpio comes out. I always go with the more powerful system every generation.
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What if I told you that 'generations' aren't likely to stay part of the console lifecycle?
 
Kyoufu said:
Do you realise that your concept of forward compatibility would not work in the real world? It'd be damaging to SIE in a number of ways.

Backwards compatibility is the only compatibility you should expect with PS5.
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Wouldnt work in the real world ? Ever heard of these devices called PCs or Smartphones ?
It's not "my concept" of forward compatibility. It's the one in place in every decent ecosystems. You developp for an API and feature sets but also a range of horsepower. And when you arrive 2 devices later, you cut support of the first generation.

Damaging in a number of way ? If anything, it's a way to keep users stuck on your platform. You can bet that after two new models bought and hundreds of games owned, users wont want to shift to another platform.
 
GhostTrick said:
Wouldnt work in the real world ? Ever heard of these devices called PCs or Smartphones ?
It's not "my concept" of forward compatibility. It's the one in place in every decent ecosystems. You developp for an API and feature sets but also a range of horsepower. And when you arrive 2 devices later, you cut support of the first generation.
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PS4, PSNEO, cut, PS5, PS5NEO, cut ect
 
I'm really getting bothered by Sony and Microsoft's focus on 4K gaming. I think only a very small percentage of people actually care about that. I would much rather have the games look better and be a nice 60 FPS at 1080p. Even a beefy gaming PC has to have some serious hardware to run all games at 60 FPS at 4K.
 
GhostTrick said:
I was more thinking like PS4 -> PS4 Neo -> PS5 (PS4 cut) -> PS5 Neo (PS4 Neo cut).
Basically, support two models at a time. Numbered replaces numbered and Neo replaces Neo.
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That's the best way to confuse and piss off consumers. Heck, as an enthusiast even I can't get my head around your proposition.

Soupy said:
I'm really getting bothered by Sony and Microsoft's focus on 4K gaming. I think only a very small percentage of people actually care about that. I would much rather have the games look better and be a nice 60 FPS at 1080p. Even a beefy gaming PC has to have some serious hardware to run all games at 60 FPS at 4K.
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We should all just stick with super pretty 720p resolution games forever.
 
Soupy said:
It's looking like the Xbox Scorpio is going to crush the new PS4 Neo in performance.

I have both a PS4 and Xbox One, and I might switch over to making the Xbone my main console (right now it's PS4 as my main), just so I can stay in the same ecosystem once the new and more powerful Scorpio comes out. I always go with the more powerful system every generation.
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Do you then decide to swap when the PS5 is released and will "crush" Scorpio?...

No matter what MS says, Scorpio is a complete reboot of the Xbox brand...a new generation in everything but name, and I wouldn't be surprised if they drop the "One" from the official name altogether and distance themselves from the Xbone as much as they possibly can...

The Neo, on the other hand is much more of a refresh, similar to Apple's "S" phones...

Kyoufu said:
That's the best way to confuse and piss off consumers. Heck, as an enthusiast even I can't get my head around your proposition.
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Really?...
 
Kyoufu said:
That's the best way to confuse and piss off consumers. Heck, as an enthusiast even I can't get my head around your proposition.
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People aren't confused with iOS upgrades.
I mean what's so confusing with NEO replacing NEO and Numbered replacing Numbered ?
 
GhostTrick said:
I was more thinking like PS4 -> PS4 Neo -> PS5 (PS4 cut) -> PS5 Neo (PS4 Neo cut).
Basically, support two models at a time. Numbered replaces numbered and Neo replaces Neo.
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Doesn't make much sense because NEO is not its own unit, it is supplementary and the only iterative part of the discussion. so by definition every game would have to run on PS4 as well as per its design, which clashes with your cutting of PS4.

In general, no point in keeping jaguar CPU around any longer than it has be around considering the ball and chain it is. And since neo is still using marginally upgraded parts from the original PS4, keeping it as a standard PS5 has to follow is almost the same as keeping the PS4 the standard, outside of the double GPU power, which would not even matter because PS5 will have a far stronger GPU anyway.
 
LordBaztion said:
it works the other way around, why bother with Neo if PS4 already plays 100% of Neo games. Better get a Xbox with new games you can try plus better third party games and some 360 games you have from last gen.
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That is not how it works at all. No one drops sony no matter what.

Anyway, if true the neo is not anything mind-blowing spec wise imo. Saying that though, there are some incredible looking games on the ps4 already. Imagine what they will do on neo....
 
Soupy said:
It's looking like the Xbox Scorpio is going to crush the new PS4 Neo in performance.

I have both a PS4 and Xbox One, and I might switch over to making the Xbone my main console (right now it's PS4 as my main), just so I can stay in the same ecosystem once the new and more powerful Scorpio comes out. I always go with the more powerful system every generation.
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PS4 and xbone FLOPS arent the same. PS4 is like nvidia and xbone is amd in this scenario. Less but it out performs amd.
 
Inuhanyou said:
Doesn't make much sense because NEO is not its own unit, it is supplementary and the only iterative part of the discussion. so by definition every game would have to run on PS4 as well as per its design, which clashes with your cutting of PS4.

In general, no point in keeping jaguar CPU around any longer than it has be around considering the ball and chain it is. And since neo is still using marginally upgraded parts from the original PS4, keeping it as a standard PS5 has to follow is almost the same as keeping the PS4 the standard, outside of the double GPU power.
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Nah, there will always be things the Neo can do that PS4 can't...so when PS5 is launched you drop the requirement for the PS4...you'll see 30fps games on the Neo that would be slideshows on the PS4, and will be 60fps with upgraded visuals on the PS5 (assuming Neo --> PS5 is a bigger leap than PS4 --> Neo)
 
professor denim said:
I just need 1080p 60fps. If their focus is resolution its sad
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Did any of you look at the PDF?

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GhostTrick said:
People aren't confused with iOS upgrades.
I mean what's so confusing with NEO replacing NEO and Numbered replacing Numbered ?
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Physical disc could be confusing. We got same disc with PS4/Neo, what happen when you release game with Neo/PS5 support? Same disc or different disc?
 
Inuhanyou said:
How many times are people going to repeat this? They don't care about keeping up with PC hardware, they were talking specifically about late 7th gen's effect and how a NEO might help circumvent that in some ways. It wasn't even House that brought PC up, but the interviewer.
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House said keeping people away from PC was a key motivation for Neo
 
Metfanant said:
Nah, there will always be things the Neo can do that PS4 can't...so when PS5 is launched you drop the requirement for the PS4...you'll see 30fps games on the Neo that would be slideshows on the PS4, and will be 60fps with upgraded visuals on the PS5 (assuming Neo --> PS5 is a bigger leap than PS4 --> Neo)
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Don't see how ?
For the PS4 version all you have to do is drop it to 720p.
Neo is not a bigger enough jump cpu or bandwidth wise that you can port down to PS4 .
Depending on how powerful PS5 is it might be more trouble to port to Neo.
 
Metfanant said:
Nah, there will always be things the Neo can do that PS4 can't...
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You mean things that its not allowed to do by mandate and can't physically do because of the CPU?

Don't understand that sentiment tbh. Your talking about a hypothetical PS5 10+tflops, 16GB RAM HBM3 at 750+GB/s and a fully matured Zen level CPU being held back by a below i3 level CPU, 218GB/s, 8GB and 4tflops
 
The God said:
House said keeping people away from PC was a key motivation for Neo
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While referencing the last days of the 7th gen, yes, which is a different context than claiming he said they want to compete with PC for the graphics userbase. Not going to happen.
 
I always think Neo is just a slim revision with a little more power, nothing more.
Not a console generation killer, not a half gen, just an unusual revision of PS4. Not a big deal for customer, not a big deal for Sony, not a big deal for console market, just business as usual.
 
Omnii-chan said:
Also "Same hard drive as PS4". So probably NO Sata 3. Disappointing.
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Probably just means it's shipping with the same speed hard drive as PS4. Could possibly still have SATA 3 and we can swap in our own drives.

wapplew said:
I always think Neo is just a slim revision with a little more power, nothing more.
Not a console generation killer, not a half gen, just an unusual revision of PS4.
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I'd agree if it wasn't more than double in GPU. That's what makes this a much bigger upgrade than a slightly upclocked Slim.
 
wapplew said:
Physical disc could be confusing. We got same disc with PS4/Neo, what happen when you release game with Neo/PS5 support? Same disc or different disc?
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Same disc, why not?

PC`s didn`t have different discs when physical media was relevant. The 50 GB limit could be a problem as the launch PS4 doesn`t read UHD, but they could alway release two discs.
 
Neo will launch between Oct to Dec 16, there is no doubt of it.

I expect Sony to just do a simple press release, " we are selling new PS4mini and PS4+ this holidays. PS4+ will do 4k blah blah, PS4mini is so small you can bring it around blah blah. Msrp 299 and 399 respectively"

End of story, we can proceed as normal. I don't expect Sony to do some special unpack event.

Sony is selling a revised PS4,nothing more, while MS is selling a Xbox 2 (with backwards compatibility) imo. Their marketing will be different.

Any later launch and Neo will be wasted as the hype from much more powerful Scorpio will rekt Sony efforts. These upgraded consoles target the core audiences.
 
wapplew said:
I always think Neo is just a slim revision with a little more power, nothing more.
Not a console generation killer, not a half gen, just an unusual revision of PS4. Not a big deal for customer, not a big deal for Sony, not a big deal for console market, just business as usual.
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That's what Neo is imo.
I think its cheaper for Sony to buy new amd gpu than trying to scale down the old ones like the old days.

Win win situation for everyone as long as Sony priced Neo at 399
 
Chopper said:
A friend of mine at EA told me that Neo games won't reach anywhere near 4k.

That said, if it improves PSVR performance, I'm in.
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Bish PM incoming? Also finding people over here saying its over for Neo hilarious. Sony is going for the mid-gen refresh. MS is going for the new gen period under the guise of it being a mid-gen refresh.
 
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