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Count me as two.

Him posing the group was just odd, so when I saw the dance in the credits it made sense and I was surprised at it getting cut. It would have been an enjoyable moment in the slog of that last act.

Just one of the many weird moments I chalk up to poor editing. The movie really was kind of a mess.

I dug what they did and trust me you are in a 1% minority. That dance scene would have single handedly been used to dismiss the whole movie.
 
No, it's worse than paid. It is was gaming reviews too often also have become, a cultural statement rather than a review about a game or movie. If the frame rate is bad in game it is a part of a review, if the editing does not work in a movie, if plot lines are dropped, that is part of a review. How well a movie was crafted is an important information and how often in any of the reviews did you read anything about it.

To often you read the argument, well it is a fun movie and that is the most important part. No, it is not. If you read a movie review you are interested in movies, this also means technical aspects, narrative aspects, plot and several other things. If you just argue with fun and how important that is, that this social issues was addressed, you missing the point of movie or game review.

Game reviews are already pretty much irrelevant. A guy like angry Joe is way more influential than Kotaku or Eurogamer. If this continues with movies, they will learn the same thing and Youtubers will have more influence over movie critics as anyone who writes for a newspaper or has a TV show.

Your political or social preference is not the most important part of a movie or game review. It can be part of it, as well as if the movie was still fun, even with the technical problems. But if you ignore all of this, just to give everybody your opinion, of course you will stand no chance against the Youtubers, which are way better in this. People want to know if it is a good or bad movie and sorry, this also includes all the boring technical parts, even if you would rather write about your feelings.

Ah, critics who thought it's decent are embellishing and shaping their opinions to pander to the feminazis and the PC culture..because there is just noway that anyone can genuinely think THIS movie is okay or not that bad. That or they're paid off. Our only hope is ranty angry hyperbolic youtube "reviewers", they are the future of film critique.

Seriously, is this a joke post that I didn't get or are you serious? Is it really that difficult to comprehend that a lot of film critics thought it was "okay" and not the worst thing ever, and addressing the elephant in the room [the angry hyperbolic misogynistic rhetoric that flooded this movie since day 0] is almost certainly expected from people discussing this movie?
 
Oh and this was just a colossal fuckup from a marketing perspective

That and the MRA bullshit didn't help at all

I don't get this. I thought the trailers were awful but got excited when I saw the favorable reviews. There were a few good jokes but for the most part the film was about as dumb as the trailers show. The tone the trailers set up was exactly what you got.
 
I don't get this. I thought the trailers were awful but got excited when I saw the favorable reviews. There were a few good jokes but for the most part the film was about as dumb as the trailers show. The tone the trailers set up was exactly what you got.

Tone was fine, footage wasn't what they should've used. Bad trailers all around.

They also fueled the fire way too much/gave people things to latch on (like Patty not being a scientist/knew New York, which ended up being a pretty important thing)

WHO GOT TO YOU

CUT THE CHECK
 
You are the only person literally ever that I've seen who wanted that dance sequence in the movie itself
Setting up the dance sequence and leaving it hanging strangely works. It left a surreal backdrop in place for the main cast to enter.

But it probably was in the original cut, which Paul Feig said was four hours long.

I'd really love to see what hit the cutting room floor from Kevin's job interview. The actors probably sat around that table for a good few hours just riffing off each other.

I love this conspiracy shit.

Are half of us here who enjoyed it paid Sony shills too.
I said I liked the movie on another site, which is usually quite level-headed, and then someone quoted me and another user, suggesting we were shills because we saw it pre-release. Then people who had been posting there for 15 years started accusing the site itself of being paid shills, and subsequently got banned.

This movie really brings out the stupid in people.
 
Setting up the dance sequence and leaving it hanging strangely works. It left a surreal backdrop in place for the main cast to enter.

But it probably was in the original cut, which Paul Feig said was four hours long.

I'd really love to see what hit the cutting room floor from Kevin's job interview. The actors probably sat around that table for a good few hours just riffing off each other.


I said I liked the movie on another site, which is usually quite level-headed, and then someone quoted me and another user, suggesting we were shills because we saw it pre-release. Then people who had been posting there for 15 years started accusing the site itself of being paid shills, and subsequently got banned.

This movie really brings out the stupid in people.

Totally agreed that shot of the GBers in the hotel lobby with the foggy retro NY and all the people frozen in disco begind is actually haunting, creepy and beautiful. There is some gorgeous composition in this film.
 
The most annoying thing about negative reviews like Joe's are the guys who go "OOOHHH AND NOW EVERYONE'S GONNA DUMP ON ME AND CALL ME SEXIST FOR HATING IT!" like they're some kind of martyr for reinforcing the same opinion 90% of people on the internet had already.

You know how I can tell if a review is negative or positive before even watching the video? By whether or not there's a sizable dislike bar or not. Likes mean negative, dislikes mean positive. You know what that says about people not liking it acting like they've really stood up to people? That they're full of shit. That they wanna have their cake and eat it too, so that they can have the same internet mainstream internet opinion about something and still be a special snowflake for having it.

This isn't to say there aren't any people ever who say you're sexist for bad reasons, but that number pales (fucking pales) in comparison to the folks ready to dogpile anyone who even sorta kinda liked it.

Bottom line is: Don't act like you're a hero for preaching to the choir.

"Those grumbles smack of misogyny, but also entitlement. It’s easy to wonder if Ghostbusters’ detractors have become so used to being treated by Hollywood as the only target market that matters, that the very idea a major summer film might be made with an audience other than them in mind becomes a source of major insecurity." -- The Telegraph (UK) as of 3 days ago.

So if you dislike poorly defined Mary Sue characters, you are misogynistic, entitled and insecure... which choir are you listening to? Because it is not mainstream media.
 
I think it really could have worked. Having them fighting ghosts amidst a mob of dancing puppets? Insane, and awesome

That's just where I felt like it would have been too much. I was laughing when they were doing the poses, but I was simultaneously worried about what it could turn into. I thought it was enough to be really funny and the payoff is in the credits, not disturbing the actual movie, so it's kind of a win-win.
 
Really enjoyed it. Some great 3D effects and pretty good chemistry among the characters. Hemsworth was funny.

Holtzman <3.

Though I have to say some of the camera work in the standing around and talking scenes in the first half was very very unnatural. Almost like they couldn't get all four actors in a room at the same time so had to splice together shots from different days of shooting.
 
Setting up the dance sequence and leaving it hanging strangely works. It left a surreal backdrop in place for the main cast to enter.

Adding the dance wouldn't change that. They'd dance and hold that last pose.

As it was, it was all so rushed it was obvious something was missing.
 
"Those grumbles smack of misogyny, but also entitlement. It’s easy to wonder if Ghostbusters’ detractors have become so used to being treated by Hollywood as the only target market that matters, that the very idea a major summer film might be made with an audience other than them in mind becomes a source of major insecurity." -- The Telegraph (UK) as of 3 days ago.

So if you dislike poorly defined Mary Sue characters, you are misogynistic, entitled and insecure... which choir are you listening to? Because it is not mainstream media.

Well calling them mary sues isn't a good start for ya.

Especially given that I'd argue they got more character development than the originals did.
 
I think it was obviously going to be there, and then Paul Feig was like this would obviously be a bad idea lol

And he's right. It was effective enough when they entered the Mercado and you could see them all in the pose. It was funny at first then kinda creepy. Going with a dance number would have blown it.

Anyway Friday estimates are at $17.2.
 
The most annoying thing about negative reviews like Joe's are the guys who go "OOOHHH AND NOW EVERYONE'S GONNA DUMP ON ME AND CALL ME SEXIST FOR HATING IT!" like they're some kind of martyr for reinforcing the same opinion 90% of people on the internet had already.

You know how I can tell if a review is negative or positive before even watching the video? By whether or not there's a sizable dislike bar or not. Likes mean negative, dislikes mean positive. You know what that says about people not liking it acting like they've really stood up to people? That they're full of shit. That they wanna have their cake and eat it too, so that they can have the same internet mainstream internet opinion about something and still be a special snowflake for having it.

This isn't to say there aren't any people ever who say you're sexist for bad reasons, but that number pales (fucking pales) in comparison to the folks ready to dogpile anyone who even sorta kinda liked it.

Bottom line is: Don't act like you're a hero for preaching to the choir.

The reaction to the AVGN video shows this is BS. People that like the movie get dislikes. People that say they don't want to see the movie may get articles written about them being a sexist and death threats. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/fashion/ghostbusters-internet-attacks.html?_r=1 His wife got insulted and called a gold digger by real magazine writers. Don't talk about a dislike bar.

Richard Roeper got attacked and branded a sexist for his review too.
https://twitter.com/richardroeper/status/753308248095068160
https://twitter.com/richardroeper/status/753060397238726657

A lot of the negative reaction, not all of it of course, but a lot of it and people wanting the movie to fail and spamming low ratings is a response to this.
 
"Those grumbles smack of misogyny, but also entitlement. It’s easy to wonder if Ghostbusters’ detractors have become so used to being treated by Hollywood as the only target market that matters, that the very idea a major summer film might be made with an audience other than them in mind becomes a source of major insecurity." -- The Telegraph (UK) as of 3 days ago.

So if you dislike poorly defined Mary Sue characters, you are misogynistic, entitled and insecure... which choir are you listening to? Because it is not mainstream media.

This all reminds me of when Gone Home got some good reviews and the video game world lost its mind...
 
I thought it was average to good. My least favorite of the Feig movies. Spy set the bar pretty high. The third act was so boring. The Bill Murray cameo was the worst part which is unforgivable. Hemsworth was hilarious but too dumb. Glad he learned to listen to a saxophone with his ears instead of eyes haha. I love that the villian was so meta but probably should've had more parallels comparing his experience with ghosts as a child to Wiigs to flesh him out. The blonde woman was the best part she was so crazy. Would have loved to see Jason statham as a fake ghost hunter. I am in for a sequel which I assume will be better
 
It's what some people like to type a lot now after December 18th of last year.

And by god they'll type it, whether they have any idea what it means or not.

And yell how dare you call me sexist I just don't like Mary Sues which ok no one was... well until you called them Mary fucking Sues lmao.
 
Has there been any word on them releasing this theme song version yet?

It's awesome and I can't believe I've not seen anything about it being released.
 
The most annoying thing about negative reviews like Joe's are the guys who go "OOOHHH AND NOW EVERYONE'S GONNA DUMP ON ME AND CALL ME SEXIST FOR HATING IT!" like they're some kind of martyr for reinforcing the same opinion 90% of people on the internet had already.

You know how I can tell if a review is negative or positive before even watching the video? By whether or not there's a sizable dislike bar or not. Likes mean negative, dislikes mean positive. You know what that says about people not liking it acting like they've really stood up to people? That they're full of shit. That they wanna have their cake and eat it too, so that they can have the same internet mainstream internet opinion about something and still be a special snowflake for having it.

This isn't to say there aren't any people ever who say you're sexist for bad reasons, but that number pales (fucking pales) in comparison to the folks ready to dogpile anyone who even sorta kinda liked it.

Bottom line is: Don't act like you're a hero for preaching to the choir.
I can't possibly agree with this more. This works with more than just Ghostbusters.
 
The reaction to the AVGN video shows this is BS. People that like the movie get dislikes. People that say they don't want to see the movie may get articles written about them being a sexist and death threats. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/19/fashion/ghostbusters-internet-attacks.html?_r=1 His wife got insulted and called a gold digger by real magazine writers. Don't talk about a dislike bar.

Richard Roeper got attacked and branded a sexist for his review too.
https://twitter.com/richardroeper/status/753308248095068160
https://twitter.com/richardroeper/status/753060397238726657

A lot of the negative reaction, not all of it of course, but a lot of it and people wanting the movie to fail and spamming low ratings is a response to this.

As I pointed out elsewhere, the fire started right at the jump.

Nope. Straight from the get-go.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/ghostbusters-3-targets-paul-feig-723028
So basically I can ignore this? Because no Ray Stantz, Peter Venkman, Egon Spengler, and Winston Zeddemore means no Ghostbusters.

Also, making the leads women instead of our classic heros? That's an insult to this franchise.

Why stop at an all-female cast? Toss in a talking dog and maybe a gregarious orangutan. Oh, and make sure to have a cameo by the Spice Girls, screaming "GIRL POWER!"

If you're going to make a formulaic pile of crap, might as well make it a massive one.

lets just hope the new director is a fan of the originals and tosses the hole female idea out the window cause even i realize it isnt the same with females that will more likely be ditzy blondes walking in heels holding the blasters with the safety on like an idiot, 2 nerdy females yes thats it!

Don't worry you guys. This will easily be as good and memorable as Karate Kid 3.

(...the one where Hilary Swank played Ralph Macchio...)

Really? You can't get the original cast so lets whiteknight up the cast to satisfy some female quota?

What? Sorry but no.. i loved the first two movies and the game. Women dont like ghostbusters too much so i dont know who would watch this..

Feminist: "Now this exactly what we wanted."
Director: "So, you'll pay to see it right?"
Feminist: "What? No, I don't even like Ghostbusters."

Yeah lets put women in it for the sake of it being women.... This is getting really stupid. Do not change old things but generate new things..

This is all from the announcement that Feig was directing. The beauty of the internet is that it never forgets.

That was the establishment of the conversation around this film.

On the Twitter game, here's people reacting to Patton Oswalt saying he was all about a positive review. Honestly, you can do this for any positive reviews. The discourse surrounding this film has been trash in all ways from the beginning, as shown by tweets and comments in all goddamn directions. And it was a battleground from the word "go" as I show above.

I tire of this woe is me hand-wringing in every thread.
 
I thought it was good. Loved
ain't no bitches gonna hunt no ghosts

My only complaints:
1)too many Holts man showing off tech scenes. It kind of got ridiculous.

2)didn't care for kevin. He came off as a douche instead of stupid.

Otherwise, it was fun. Could have used more busting.
 
I think my favorite comment I'm seeing the most of is... EVERYONE really wants a sequel? I'm surprised as hell at that. I mean, it makes me super happy, but it wasn't even on my radar! I didn't expect this at ALL.
 
I think my favorite comment I'm seeing the most of is... EVERYONE really wants a sequel? I'm surprised as hell at that. I mean, it makes me super happy, but it wasn't even on my radar! I didn't expect this at ALL.

Yeah a sequel would be nice, especially with that end credits teaser. The hate this movie got is just ridiculous, hopefully it will do well and gets a second movie.
 
If you put all four of them together you STILL wouldn't have anything resembling a Mary Sue

Its weird that people are calling three women who are educated scientists Mary Sue's.

ETA - also, lol at the nerd who forging about the actual Karate Kid 3. Hilary Swank starred in the fourth.
 
Took my younger siblings to see it last night, and we had a blast! It's not super amazing - which I honestly wasn't expecting it to be - but it was a pretty solid and highly enjoyable experience. I'm a fan of Paul Feig movies, so the movie's brand of humor was definitely right up my alley. My siblings couldn't even pinpoint their favorite parts because they just have so many lol. Definitely almost lost my shit when the concert guy let out the high-pitched shriek though! Haha!

Cast was great - at least the main four + Hemsworth were. McKinnon and Wiig were especially a joy to watch. <3 Editing could've used a bit more polish though, and the third act definitely could've had more UMPH; but, all in all, a solid movie.

Ngl, I was partly dreading going to see the movie because of the possibility of certain people hate-watching it and making snide comments, which would have ultimately ruined my experience; but, thankfully, I ran into none of that BS. Some in the audience were definitely familiar with the controversy surrounding the movie though, and it was especially apparent in scenes that seemingly reflect the absolutely ridiculous vitriol spewed at the film itself
(like the YouTube comments scene, as well as some other general ones that featured skepticism and mockery toward the Ghostbusters crew.)
There was a resounding "Oooooohhhhhh..." when those scenes came up lol. Audience applauded the movie though! It felt nice. :)
 
Speaking of Ray Parker Jr, just going to lay down some spoilers for Ghostheads right here.

There is a part in the movie where he holds up his phone to the camera and shows off his custom answering machine message song. Something along the lines of "You are you trying to call?". He stated he is the only person in the world with this answering machine message.

-_-
 
The movie was the definition of harmless fun. I laughed quit a bit, especially whenever Holtzmann would do just about anything since she was a fucking lunatic.

Also someone fell down the stairs at my theater, so that was fun.
 
The movie was the definition of harmless fun. I laughed quit a bit, especially whenever Holtzmann would do just about anything since she was a fucking lunatic.

Also someone fell down the stairs at my theater, so that was fun.

Where do these stairs go?
 
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