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[VistraNorrez]

Rebels is in between III and IV.

General Organa was played by Jimmy Smits in Ep. II and III.

Yea you probably need to AotC again. The Clones didn't turn bad until RotS. A lot of people make fun of the Attack of the Clones title for being so blunt and obvious, but it does have some layers to it. Yes it directly describes the Clones Attacking at the end of the movie, but the very existence of the Clones is also an attack on the Republic. At the time the Republic had no army. And it was largely there to keep peace between systems which would otherwise defend themselves. The creation of the army was what allowed the Empire to take control because Palpatine was able to use them do his bidding and keep all the systems in line.

 

[Sayers]

Why does that guide in the OP not include the Padawan Lost arc at the end of Season 3? Those are fantastic episodes. Absolutely essential to Ahsoka's character growth.

 

[Pachimari]

I'm curious if The Clone Wars will explain why Ahsoka isn't in Revenge of the Sith but then turns up again for Rebels. Anyway, gonna watch Attack of the Clones today.

 

[Real Hero]

Why does that guide in the OP not include the Padawan Lost arc at the end of Season 3? Those are fantastic episodes. Absolutely essential to Ahsoka's character growth.

This is why guides for skipping episodes are dumb, how does someone else know what you will like and why would you rely on their judgement of what is important.

 

[Pachimari]

I'm gonna go through all of the episodes. I hate skipping something.

 

[Sayers]

I'm curious if The Clone Wars will explain why Ahsoka isn't in Revenge of the Sith but then turns up again for Rebels. Anyway, gonna watch Attack of the Clones today.

It will.

 

[TDLink]

I'm curious if The Clone Wars will explain why Ahsoka isn't in Revenge of the Sith but then turns up again for Rebels. Anyway, gonna watch Attack of the Clones today.

This was going to be the series finale but the show got cancelled a season early so it unfortunately never happened. Filoni talked through what it was supposed to be more or less in last weekend's Ahsoka panel from SW Celebration.

 

[Pachimari]

It will.

This was going to be the series finale but the show got cancelled a season early so it unfortunately never happened. Filoni talked through what it was supposed to be more or less in last weekend's Ahsoka panel from SW Celebration.

Hmm, so will it explain it or won't it? Maybe Rebels does the explaining.

 

[TDLink]

Hmm, so will it explain it or won't it? Maybe Rebels does the explaining.

There's a reason given for why she isn't there in the show as it exists. But what exactly happened with her during Revenge of the Sith was supposed to be the series finale.

 

[Sayers]

Hmm, so will it explain it or won't it? Maybe Rebels does the explaining.

It explains WHY she isn't in ROTS, it doesn't explain what she was doing at the time. What TDLink is saying is what she was doing.

 

[AlimNassor]

I'm curious if The Clone Wars will explain why Ahsoka isn't in Revenge of the Sith but then turns up again for Rebels. Anyway, gonna watch Attack of the Clones today.

Have you finished clone wars? You'll find out after the show ends as any answer is major spoilers.

 

[Pachimari]

There's a reason given for why she isn't there in the show as it exists. But what exactly happened with her during Revenge of the Sith was supposed to be the series finale.

It explains WHY she isn't in ROTS, it doesn't explain what she was doing at the time. What TDLink is saying is what she was doing.

Ahhh now I get it. Thanks for explaining to the both of you. Well maybe I'll be content with that. Anyway, I'm just very excited to get going with the animation.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

I'm also surprised to see clone troopers working for Obi Wan and Anakin, which is probably a sign that I should rematch Attack of the Clones because I don't remember much of it. Last year I did a rewatch of Episode IV, V, VI and I, so I might as well watch II. and I see The Clone Wars is between II and III so I'll end it with Revenge of the Sith when I'm finished with this show.

Yeah, you might as well watch AotC just to get a refresh, but the concise version is:

There's a civil war going on. One side is the Republic that has stood for a thousand years, the other side is the Confederacy of Independent Systems, a collection of planets that have chosen to leave the Republic. The CIS, also called the Separatists or Separatist Alliance, feels that the Republic has grown bloated, corrupt, overly regulatory and cripplingly stagnant and bureaucratic. The Separatists also feel that corporate taxes are too high, and point to the Naboo crisis from ten years prior as proof of all this. In fact, the Trade Federation from the crisis on Naboo is a part of the CIS, as are other such business guilds and interstellar corporations. (History paints both the Trade Federation and Naboo as victims in the conflict - the TF as victims of excessive regulation and taxation, and Naboo as victims of the Republic's inaction to resolve anything; Naboo had to unite the two peoples of their planet and fight off the Trade Federation on their own, according to history.)

Essentially, the Separatist cause is ultra Libertarian. They didn't want to go to war, but merely to declare their independence, at which point the Republic suddenly conjured a "Grand Army" to bully them into staying. They also don't trust the fact that the Republic has a strange, secretive, supernatural cult with super powers on their side. People are familiar with the idea of the Jedi, but not everyone really knows their details or particularly trusts them. The Republic suddenly making them the generals commanding the new Clone Army wasn't exactly a great PR move.

So the Separatists went to war, and while they might not have a "Grand Clone Army" led by weird wizards, they DO have industry. The droid factories on Geonosis and other industry driven Separatist ally planets can turn out "clankers" that may not be as strong battle units as living clone troopers, but can be produced faster and in greater numbers.

As far as anyone knows, the CIS is led by Count Dooku, its founder, president and military commander, who has a leadership council serving with him, as well as a collection of strong military Generals.

(Of course, what the people of the Galaxy DON'T know, is that Dooku actually has a boss too, and that said boss is also the leader of the Republic as well, and the whole thing was engineered for profit and to change the Republic's leadership structure. Nor that Dooku's boss/the mastermind behind it all even engineered the Crisis on Naboo ten years earlier just to set the stage.)

...I guess that wasn't too concise after all.

 

[Toxi]

Speaking of generals, I got the impression from the show that the CIS had better military strategists (Trench for example). The Jedi were effective leaders, but a lot of it was their ability to fight on the front lines and the clones' smarts.

 

[Pachimari]

Yeah, you might as well watch AotC just to get a refresh, but the concise version is:

There's a civil war going on. One side is the Republic that has stood for a thousand years, the other side is the Confederacy of Independent Systems, a collection of planets that have chosen to leave the Republic. The CIS, also called the Separatists or Separatist Alliance, feels that the Republic has grown bloated, corrupt, overly regulatory and cripplingly stagnant and bureaucratic. The Separatists also feel that corporate taxes are too high, and point to the Naboo crisis from ten years prior as proof of all this. In fact, the Trade Federation from the crisis on Naboo is a part of the CIS, as are other such business guilds and interstellar corporations. (History paints both the Trade Federation and Naboo as victims in the conflict - the TF as victims of excessive regulation and taxation, and Naboo as victims of the Republic's inaction to resolve anything; Naboo had to unite the two peoples of their planet and fight off the Trade Federation on their own, according to history.)

Essentially, the Separatist cause is ultra Libertarian. They didn't want to go to war, but merely to declare their independence, at which point the Republic suddenly conjured a "Grand Army" to bully them into staying. They also don't trust the fact that the Republic has a strange, secretive, supernatural cult with super powers on their side. People are familiar with the idea of the Jedi, but not everyone really knows their details or particularly trusts them. The Republic suddenly making them the generals commanding the new Clone Army wasn't exactly a great PR move.

So the Separatists went to war, and while they might not have a "Grand Clone Army" led by weird wizards, they DO have industry. The droid factories on Geonosis and other industry driven Separatist ally planets can turn out "clankers" that may not be as strong battle units as living clone troopers, but can be produced faster and in greater numbers.

As far as anyone knows, the CIS is led by Count Dooku, its founder, president and military commander, who has a leadership council serving with him, as well as a collection of strong military Generals.

(Of course, what the people of the Galaxy DON'T know, is that Dooku actually has a boss too, and that said boss is also the leader of the Republic as well, and the whole thing was engineered for profit and to change the Republic's leadership structure. Nor that Dooku's boss/the mastermind behind it all even engineered the Crisis on Naboo ten years earlier just to set the stage.)

...I guess that wasn't too concise after all.

I read the first paragraph and it sounds so interesting, because there can be little details I wouldn't pick up on myself during a watch. I'm gonna read the rest when I get back home, and then watch the movie. It's about to be night soon anyway. Thanks a lot really. Very kind of you writing this up for me.

 

[Slixshot]

I've been watching Clone Wars for a while. Is Rebels as good in quality? Clone Wars has only gotten better and better!

 

[Toxi]

I've been watching Clone Wars for a while. Is Rebels as good in quality? Clone Wars has only gotten better and better!

Lower your expectations to season 1 and 2 levels for Rebels seasons 1 and 2.

Though some episodes like the finale to season 2 are up there with the best of Clone Wars.

 

[Slixshot]

Lower your expectations to season 1 and 2 levels for Rebels seasons 1 and 2.

Though some episodes like the finale to season 2 are up there with the best of Clone Wars.

Ok good to know I still liked the first two seasons, so that's ok.

 

[Sayers]

Lower your expectations to season 1 and 2 levels for Rebels seasons 1 and 2.

Though some episodes like the finale to season 2 are up there with the best of Clone Wars.

That last 5 minutes of Season 2, holy shit. Still get chills re-watching it.

 

[sphagnum]

Yeah, you might as well watch AotC just to get a refresh, but the concise version is:

There's a civil war going on. One side is the Republic that has stood for a thousand years, the other side is the Confederacy of Independent Systems, a collection of planets that have chosen to leave the Republic. The CIS, also called the Separatists or Separatist Alliance, feels that the Republic has grown bloated, corrupt, overly regulatory and cripplingly stagnant and bureaucratic. The Separatists also feel that corporate taxes are too high, and point to the Naboo crisis from ten years prior as proof of all this. In fact, the Trade Federation from the crisis on Naboo is a part of the CIS, as are other such business guilds and interstellar corporations. (History paints both the Trade Federation and Naboo as victims in the conflict - the TF as victims of excessive regulation and taxation, and Naboo as victims of the Republic's inaction to resolve anything; Naboo had to unite the two peoples of their planet and fight off the Trade Federation on their own, according to history.)

Essentially, the Separatist cause is ultra Libertarian. They didn't want to go to war, but merely to declare their independence, at which point the Republic suddenly conjured a "Grand Army" to bully them into staying. They also don't trust the fact that the Republic has a strange, secretive, supernatural cult with super powers on their side. People are familiar with the idea of the Jedi, but not everyone really knows their details or particularly trusts them. The Republic suddenly making them the generals commanding the new Clone Army wasn't exactly a great PR move.

So the Separatists went to war, and while they might not have a "Grand Clone Army" led by weird wizards, they DO have industry. The droid factories on Geonosis and other industry driven Separatist ally planets can turn out "clankers" that may not be as strong battle units as living clone troopers, but can be produced faster and in greater numbers.

As far as anyone knows, the CIS is led by Count Dooku, its founder, president and military commander, who has a leadership council serving with him, as well as a collection of strong military Generals.

(Of course, what the people of the Galaxy DON'T know, is that Dooku actually has a boss too, and that said boss is also the leader of the Republic as well, and the whole thing was engineered for profit and to change the Republic's leadership structure. Nor that Dooku's boss/the mastermind behind it all even engineered the Crisis on Naboo ten years earlier just to set the stage.)

...I guess that wasn't too concise after all.

I wish there were more canon tales that took this perspective.

 

[Frustrated_me]

I've been watching Clone Wars for a while. Is Rebels as good in quality? Clone Wars has only gotten better and better!

Rebels is not as good as Clone Wars, not even the same league.

 

[Toxi]

Rebels is not as good as Clone Wars, not even the same league.

Honestly, Rebels is a lot less spotty in quality than early Clone Wars, which had a lot of painful episodes. It's just that with a few exceptions it doesn't match the highs of Clone Wars.

 

[Gravidee]

Rebels is not as good as Clone Wars, not even the same league.

It's certainly better than season 1 of TCW as well as some select episodes and arcs from later on. *Stares at the droids arc*

 

[Pachimari]

I finished Attack of the Clones just now and really enjoyed it. I posted my impression in the Star Wars OT. Anyway, now I can really dig into The Clone Wars and Rebels, and I can't wait to continue on tomorrow!

 

[Haloid1177]

Rebels is not as good as Clone Wars, not even the same league.

Clone Wars has much lower lows, but stays at a more consistent quality both in story and animation, and the best of Clone Wars is leagues better than best of the best of Rebels, I agree. I tend to not watch Rebels as it airs and will binge it about once a month, meanwhile I never missed an episode with Clone Wars.

 

[Pachimari]

So having finished Episode II last night, I still have no idea who this Organa is from S2E16. Is he the guy with the clap on his eye? Because I'm pretty sure that is Jango Fett who died in the coliseum.

[edit] I also don't understand how Slick could be a traitor. Haven't their DNA been modified, so that they will follow orders? I wonder how this one could think on his own. And is Ventress the same race as those tall white specimen where they produced the clones in Epidode II? She kind of looks like them, although not as tall.

 

[Fj0823]

So having finished Episode II last night, I still have no idea who this Organa is from S2E16. Is he the guy with the clap on his eye? Because I'm pretty sure that is Jango Fett who died in the coliseum.

[edit] I also don't understand how Slick could be a traitor. Haven't their DNA been modified, so that they will follow orders? I wonder how this one could think on his own. And is Ventress the same race as those tall white specimen where they produced the clones in Epidode II? She kind of looks like them, although not as tall.

Organa is more prominent in episode III, The Clones have the ability to adapt and learn, that's why they start developing personalities compared to the mindless drones in episode II, what the cloners really meant with coded for obedience is revealed later

Ventress is from Dathomir, like Darth Maul

 

[TDLink]

So having finished Episode II last night, I still have no idea who this Organa is from S2E16. Is he the guy with the clap on his eye? Because I'm pretty sure that is Jango Fett who died in the coliseum.

[edit] I also don't understand how Slick could be a traitor. Haven't their DNA been modified, so that they will follow orders? I wonder how this one could think on his own. And is Ventress the same race as those tall white specimen where they produced the clones in Epidode II? She kind of looks like them, although not as tall.

Organa is Bail Organa. He's the father to Leia Organa from the original trilogy.

 

[VistraNorrez]

They never actually say Bail Organa's name in AotC. He's a human senator that opposes the use of the Clone Army. He's played by Jimmy Smits.

 

[TDLink]

They never actually say Bail Organa's name in AotC. He's a human senator that opposes the use of the Clone Army. He's played by Jimmy Smits.

Okay but his character is in fact Bail Organa. He's credited as such in both movies he appears in as well.

 

[haikira]

Got my Clone Wars boxset the other day, and I'm ready to get stuck in.

I didn't grab the film, and although I hear it's not the best, it seems like it's still required viewing. It's not on Amazon Video, either for prime or sale, it's not on Netflix (UK), and I'm not too keen to order it on disc, as it seems a little over priced here, and I was also hoping to start the series this weekend.

Can I get away with just watching a recap video, reading the plot on wiki, or something along those lines, or should I just have some patience and order the movie too?

 

[Sayers]

Got my Clone Wars boxset the other day, and I'm ready to get stuck in.

I didn't grab the film, and although I hear it's not the best, it seems like it's still required viewing. It's not on Amazon Video, either for prime or sale, it's not on Netflix (UK), and I'm not too keen to order it on disc, as it seems a little over priced here, and I was also hoping to start the series this weekend.

Can I get away with just watching a recap video, reading the plot on wiki, or something along those lines, or should I just have some patience and order the movie too?

Just read the Wikipedia entry. The only good scene is when Anakin decides to accept Ahsoka as his apprentice and you can see it on YouTube.

 

[The Flash]

Rebels returns on September 24th

https://twitter.com/starwars/status/762740184609918976

 

[Psxphile]

Star Wars Rebels "Thrawn" promo has been airing on Disney XD all day.

Just a short thing.

 

[Duane Cunningham]

Finally got back on the TCW train. I have no idea why I got stalled, but I left off right before the Nightsisters arc, and just finished it. Great stuff! Opress is a beast, although he's clearly not exactly a genius. Dooku is a cold asshole, as always. I already know who Opress's brother he's sent off to find is, but I look forward to whenever the storyline picks back up. Can't wait to see Ventress again either, I expect her to be both humbled and more pissed than ever when we meet her again.

 

[Toxi]

Star Wars Rebels "Thrawn" promo has been airing on Disney XD all day.

Just a short thing.

Please let the Interceptor pilot be Soontir Fel.

 

[Sayers]

Exactly one month until Ahsoka. Got it pre-ordered myself. REALLY hope it doesn't suck, sounds like a lot of the other novels have been hit and miss.

 

[The Flash]

Is anyone doing an OT for Season 3? I can whip something up real quick if no one else is interested?

 

[iosefe]

Is anyone doing an OT for Season 3? I can whip something up real quick if no one else is interested?

by virtue of doing s2, i think Jables Swan might be working on it. check with him

 

[The Flash]

by virtue of doing s2, i think Jables Swan might be working on it. check with him

Cheers

 

[Veritigo_X]

Oh shit, this airs tomorrow?? So many good shows on right now.

 

[Kor of Memory]

Got that stars wars itch bad, man.

The wife and I devoured Rebels a couple months ago, and knowing we had nothing left, looked to the novels to get through.

Unfortunately, I don't have the patience to sit down and read like she does.

She has blasted through Lords of the Sith, Lost Stars, and is halfway through Tarkin right now.

I just started Lords of the Sith myself a week ago, and I'm halfway through it.

We also bought the one with Kanin and Hera on the cover to read through, but haven't gotten to it yet. She doesn't care for most of the cast from Rebels, and I can totally understand why.

We both freaking loved Clone Wars, though. And we're both crazy excited for the Ahsoka novel coming out soon.

 

[The Flash]

Jables Swan isn't going to do a new OT so I am going to do a quick n' dirty one.

 

[Jables Swan]

Last season we just did the lazy 'keep discussing season two in season one thread'. Happy for someone else to make a new OT.