Freeza Under The Shower
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I was a good excuse to finally shut it all down and get away from video games though.
Twitter has just banned Milo Yiannopoulos permanently
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You make it seems that GAF instaban anyone that likes gamergate.... GAF bans people who personaly attack, spread hate speech, does hit and run, spread fake information and does not give arguments to their claims.
....which means 99,99% of gamergaters but it is not like saying to be pro gamergate is an instaban =P
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
They'd be dogpiled on though. No one is friendly to that sentiment around here.
It's a sign how toxic gaming community can be. Looking back when I was regular, the community lived and died on E3, video game charts, and console wars.
Mikki Kendall encapsulates this really well:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...change-a-thing-hate-is-still-the-norm-online/
You can go through the threads of both Leigh Alexander's article and the following Gamergate OTs that show how many people were willing to join forces with a misogynist and racist group, because "gamers are dead" and "ethics in games journalism", despite how many times other people here on GAF were telling them that people were being harassed.
I have also had the same experience with people in the games industry who during that time were thinking that it was more important to push back against these women criticizing "gamers" than try to cool their heads and help make the games industry and culture less misogynist and racist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/post...change-a-thing-hate-is-still-the-norm-online/
You can go through the threads of both Leigh Alexander's article and the following Gamergate OTs that show how many people were willing to join forces with a misogynist and racist group, because "gamers are dead" and "ethics in games journalism", despite how many times other people here on GAF were telling them that people were being harassed.
I have also had the same experience with people in the games industry who during that time were thinking that it was more important to push back against these women criticizing "gamers" than try to cool their heads and help make the games industry and culture less misogynist and racist.
Tye The Czar
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This is a good first step. If Twitter was able to suspend this douchebag, then we should keep up the pressure for them to enforce good behavior or threaten boycott.
Exactly GGers can't prove anything and decided that games (yes GAMES) was so important that they have to harass, threaten, and attack people.
Vicetrailia
Banned
Why would anyone be?
Oh...this is good. This is gooooood.
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Gaf was pretty undecided back before the ethics in journalism thing was proven bullshit and some guy threatened to shoot up a school because Anita Sarkeesian was going to speak there.
Being depressed doesn't mean be a jerk. He needs to get out of the depression. Not further in self pity.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
With the exception of console wars, E3 hype and sales charts don't lead to toxic behavior but in terms of what gamers would consider important to talk about in gaming those would be top priority over talking about gender and cultural representation.
Yeah, I recognize several people who were very sympathetic to GG early on still posting regularly here just because they weren't aggressive shitheads about it.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I'm not even really on board with quite a lot of what Anita says in her videos as far as examples go (the overall 'tropes' she discusses are legitimate though), nor am I fan of Leigh, but it's more trying to create an industry where different viewpoints and opinions can still be displayed and discussed without the fear of harassment. I'd honestly say just with how huge an overreaction GG was (being directly chained to what pretty quickly turned out to be a fabricated conspiracy that crumbles under little scrutiny helps) pushed me further towards their direction, if only out of sympathy.
Seeing Boogie jump on this now, apparently the hashtag got deleted by Twitter now? The dude is upbeat, tries to positive about everything and I don't think has ever meant any harm, but the constant juggling he act he does right down to condemning Leslie Jones' abuse before questioning why people were banned for doing so never comes across well. You were either being disingenuous about somebody being harassed and threatened over their race, or you're being disingenuous now for people being blocked over it since there's now an overlap in your audience between that and the GG pandering you were doing back in '14.
The only positive I can take away from it is he's doing it more out of a misplaced idea of being fair to everyone than notch just being bored and liking to rile people up. It's obviously not helping anyone out, but Boogie at least obviously isn't intending to hurt people over this stuff.
Seeing Boogie jump on this now, apparently the hashtag got deleted by Twitter now? The dude is upbeat, tries to positive about everything and I don't think has ever meant any harm, but the constant juggling he act he does right down to condemning Leslie Jones' abuse before questioning why people were banned for doing so never comes across well. You were either being disingenuous about somebody being harassed and threatened over their race, or you're being disingenuous now for people being blocked over it since there's now an overlap in your audience between that and the GG pandering you were doing back in '14.
The only positive I can take away from it is he's doing it more out of a misplaced idea of being fair to everyone than notch just being bored and liking to rile people up. It's obviously not helping anyone out, but Boogie at least obviously isn't intending to hurt people over this stuff.
It's usually like this: "I don't like Gamergate, but I reaaaally dislike under-represented people asking for better representation for the same reasons as Gamergate"
Some people are basically just diet-GG.
(of course, there's always a conversation to be had with rational and well-constructed arguments in a discourse, but they are few and far between in some of the conversations - although GAF has improved so much and the discourse has really become less toxic the last 2 years)
BrutishMrFish
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Plus, he's so rich that he can afford all the therapy and medication he needs, and he obviously has enough time on his hands that he could really improve himself if he wanted to.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
I keep seeing this "free milo" hashtag.
Free him from what? Is incarcerated in a prison of some type?
Free him from what? Is incarcerated in a prison of some type?
Never underestimate the lengths people will go to to convince themselves racism doesn't exist.
Well said!
Milo is the consummate opportunist. He made his money first by writing a, even by English standards, awful tabloid rag that was eventually shut down because he wasn't paying anyone. Then he came to America and felt the waters out for a bit, but consistently writing tabloid-esque articles against women and POC, until he finally struck gold with Gamergate.
He's a provocateur and wants to watch people he does not like be utterly ruined, that is the only thing that's consistent about this slime.
From under Twitter's Banhammer =P
Vigilant Walrus
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Regarding Notch; Being rich can literally make numb and give you a recklessness that turns everything upside down. It can be almost like a disease, and while some people like Bill Gates, find a way to use their wealth for productivity and still have a comfortable and interesting lifestyle with challenging goals, the other side of it is that you can escape into a dark hole of feeling life is pointless at the same time being hopelessly addicted to your wealth.
When we talk about greedy billionaires who keep squeezing and abusing everyone when they are worth many hundreds of millions of dollars and could just chill and coast and fucking relax, it's because it's not even about the money but just trying to take their account to the next level. It's this neoliberal mental disease that is completely moved from reality and the function which money serves. It's like being addicted to the money you hoard, and why people who say "just give it away then, if it makes you unhappy" don't understand how fucked up some of these people are.
I've managed to see this behavioral pattern in action from the side lines. It's a trip. Notch seems deeply miserable, so of course it stands to reason that someone with nothing to live for and who suddenly have the means to exit the rules everyone else have to abide by, would potentially go into a self destructive nature. I'm convinced there are a ton of people who are not fit to be billionaires and wouldn't cope well it. I think I'd be one of them.
When we talk about greedy billionaires who keep squeezing and abusing everyone when they are worth many hundreds of millions of dollars and could just chill and coast and fucking relax, it's because it's not even about the money but just trying to take their account to the next level. It's this neoliberal mental disease that is completely moved from reality and the function which money serves. It's like being addicted to the money you hoard, and why people who say "just give it away then, if it makes you unhappy" don't understand how fucked up some of these people are.
I've managed to see this behavioral pattern in action from the side lines. It's a trip. Notch seems deeply miserable, so of course it stands to reason that someone with nothing to live for and who suddenly have the means to exit the rules everyone else have to abide by, would potentially go into a self destructive nature. I'm convinced there are a ton of people who are not fit to be billionaires and wouldn't cope well it. I think I'd be one of them.
old manatee
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I was listening to NPR in the car and they went in on these cretins. I was glad they actually read some of the more offensive tweets without censoring them. I hope Milo enjoys his 15 minutes of fame.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
That's dumb. There are many more venues where he can freely spout his hateful bullshit as he sees fit, many of which don't limit him to under 140 characters.
John Kowalski
Banned
Merit of the mod team and a small number of very invested posters who routinely exercise against this and similarly toxic attitudes, representative of the dominant ideology but hardly of that of each individual poster, or even what's most silently popular. Things are relatively quiet these days so it's easy to not get too invested in the wrong places, but when things heat up peeps jump to their prejudices and into the hands of these toxic communities very quickly.
A Link to the Past
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I forgot until now that Notch owned a fedora
We still likely have people who suppot GG but do not talk about it here, and we definitely have a lot of GG types.
We still likely have people who suppot GG but do not talk about it here, and we definitely have a lot of GG types.
DICKS AHOY
Banned
I definitely think I also wouldn't cope well, and like notch have had bouts of depression I had to see someone about. I don't think I'd go all out asshole over it, but I don't think I'd be particularly restrained either knowing I could do whatever without any real consequences.
I think the guy's actions can be deeply criticized while acknowledging despite the wealth there's clearly *something* wrong here the dude isn't in control of. Just that it'd be nice if he saw someone about his problems and applied all the resources he's earned now to something more positive than just casually shitposting on twitter.
I don't want to really get into it now, but as I've been saying for years it's part and parcel with any geek culture. The Right has recently been tapping into this underlying, bubbling slime that is inherent here and elsewhere.
I don't use twitter but good riddance, I guess. I always found Milo to be funny at least of the alt-right wingers, but he's been only getting more erratic over the years. Ah well, can't say I had much love for him. Sadly, I think this will only empower his followers, as well as the other alt-right wingers like Sargon and Crowder (is it too soon to add Rubin to the pile?).
Silver Arrows
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Likewise, and that's what is so worrying about the alt-right's rise over the past few years. The fact that it's a new age of dog whistles and code words, not the blatant, old grandpa screaming it out at family gatherings sort of thing.
ElBoxyBrown
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Double standards? Empathy? Empathy for Milo?
LMAO whatever you say dumbass.
Silver Arrows
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or, you know, you couldn't be a dumb, race baiting asshole who obviously never even glanced at the ToS when you signed up
Double standards? Empathy? Empathy for Milo?
LMAO whatever you say dumbass.
The world is just full of dopes, it seems.
"Why can't you have empathy for the person who was banned for sending a racist hatemob after Leslie Jones you meanies. :*("
Double standards? Empathy? Empathy for Milo?
LMAO whatever you say dumbass.
John Kowalski
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Double standards? Empathy? Empathy for Milo?
LMAO whatever you say dumbass.
Well i kind of agree, i'd be very mad if twitter decided to indefinitely ban the nicest person on earth.
A Link to the Past
Banned
AlphaOmegaSin is an absolute racist, sexist scumbag, and really made me wary of AVGN given how often AOS seems to show up there. Christ almighty, there's nothing to empathize with Milo about. I don't commit libel like he does. It's not a matter of "he expressed his opinion and was punished." He posted fake tweets of Leslie Jones being racist. He made a conscious decision to do so, as he has made that decision in the past. Milo is a bad person, and anyone who thinks otherwise, I do not consider good.
Double standards? Empathy? Empathy for Milo?
LMAO whatever you say dumbass.
When did AOS become such an arsehat? I know he still believes the garbage GG fed him about Quinn but still. Milo is not deserving any empathy for being told to not let the door hit him on his way out.
Must not have brought him fulfillment so he came to that conclusion. Which still speaks very poorly about him.
NoblesseOblige
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You don't have to go any further than his handle to know AlphaOmegaSin is a total tosspot. It's the most convenient thing about the guy.
Silver Arrows
Banned
With that name, I just know that whatever he spouts from that mouth of his is useless.
More Fun To Compute
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Seems like it's more likely to trigger the Streisand effect than having any real effect on increasing civility. Like it is just a reaction from twitter to "scratch an itch" instead of hiring the staff to actually maintain their awful community therefore invalidating whatever pretence of a functional business model they have.
ElBoxyBrown
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"But you SJWs don't get it! We metal heads are so edgy and don't give a fuck! No lives matter bruh!"
I kid you not he stands by that statement when defending his actions. Him and that RazorFist whoever the fuck asshole are the same.
Double standards? Empathy? Empathy for Milo?
LMAO whatever you say dumbass.
Posting comments and tweets like this is part of why this is such an insidious problem. You're giving people a platform to attract new followers. Sure, you likely meant it for driving outrage, but often the half-outrage behavior is what helps publicize the less terrible comments and people.
I don't really have a good solution, or even have suggestions about when to post or not -- and there probably isn't one. However, I'd bet we wouldn't have Trump as republican nominee if people just kept ignoring his shit rather than giving him more of a platform to reach new people. That's not to imply we should just ignore bullies and hope they go away (Clearly he would never have went away, but might not have been a candidate).
I unsubbed to all the Youtubers who associate themselves with him some time ago. AOS used to be a fairly harmless but annoying shouty dude but then he showed his true colours and went full on alt-right MRA douchebag when gamergate happened.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
note: he makes rant videos for a living
ElBoxyBrown
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I get what your saying about giving these dudes attention but they also need to be called out instead of ignored, especially since Alpha still has fans that believe he's one of the good YT gamers.
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