Mad Men to Seinfeld – TV's most criminally overrated shows - The Guardian

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This is England... overrated? No-one's watched that. Fucking watch it now everyone this list is a hate crime fuck it to hell.
 
But that's what's so fun about Seinfeld! Jerry is a boring, existentially agonizing character to watch. He cares about the pettiest societal nuances because there's literally nothing else in this void of existence important or lasting enough to care about.
 
I have to admit, I don't like a lot of shows on that list—I thought Mad Men and Battlestar Galactica just sort of started meandering into boredom after awhile—but I've never thought that they're "criminally overrated".

Just feels like some hipster garbage. "I don't like this stuff, and too many people disagree with me!"

Mostly it bothers me that the rationales are paper-thin and so over-the-top. And hilariously, even with that they manage to get things wrong, although I don't think informing them that Downton Abbey basically did have an amnesia plot would help my case :P
 
And the award for "Person with an opinion no one will ever take seriously again" goes to...

Really though, Seinfeld screams clickbait and "I'm so edgy", made even more painful by just how aggressive and angrily the writer shares their opinion.

How long can you maintain the illusion that anyone would truly give a mouse-sized shit about any of the infinitesimally small social solecisms that fill this world?

Nearly a decade, and that "anyone" has been millions of people for well over another decade past the show's ending. I wouldn't call that an illusion that it or the creators are trying to maintain.
 
The Guardian makes a loss of like 180 million then makes shitty lists and then you have posters here with their shitty opinions, news flash game of thrones is great.
 
Jerry was the worst part of Seinfeld though.

Articles like these aren't necessarily wrong either, but they always do seem to play the emotions for clicks thing.

The Walking Dead and Mad Men critiques are pretty accurate. They're both meandering soaps in a way.

Basically this is Unfulfilled Hype and Expectations: The Article.
 
Eh some I agree, some I don't. Overrated just means "I didn't like this as much as you did." More interested in an underrated show list as it could bring light to shows I might keep ignoring or never would hear about.

Surprised Game of Thrones isn't on there, though. Massively popular and by the way people talk about it online you'd think every single person is hate watching the show. Holy shit people criticize every little thing the show does or doesn't do. Reading an official thread is painful.
 
"overrated" belongs on a list of words that almost immediately make me take a person's thoughts on art less seriously.

I agree. It seems to me like it's just a less blatant way of saying "most people are wrong, and I'm right about XYZ". At least when we talk about underrated we're shining a light on people or things that we think others may enjoy or appreciate. When we focus on something being overrated what's the point? To argue that people should stop liking what they like?
 
I agree. It seems to me like it's just a less blatant way of saying "most people are wrong, and I'm right about XYZ". At least when we talk about underrated we're shining a light on people or things that we think others may enjoy or appreciate. When we focus on something being overrated what's the point? To argue that people should stop liking what they like?
Agreed.
 
Why is Mad Men overrated? Curious as a lot of people are saying that and not giving any reason why.

I'm not sure it's overrated, but my take is that some people talk about it like its a heavy, cerebral exploration of the moral and human fabric of America, and a deep and intense character study- because that's what fans get out of it, and that's great because any fan gets more out of something.

Take a step back though and it's a soap opera with pretty scummy characters, and not as much depth as it seems, which to some equates to overrated I guess. Personally I just found it boring after a couple seasons
 
I'm not sure it's overrated, but my take is that some people talk about it like its a heavy, cerebral exploration of the moral and human fabric of America, and a deep and intense character study- because that's what fans get out of it, and that's great because any fan gets more out of something.

Take a step back though and it's a soap opera with pretty scummy characters, and not as much depth as it seems, which to some equates to overrated I guess. Personally I just found it boring after a couple seasons
Yeah i can understand people react that way. But then they really don't pick up the more interesting things from this show. And that's a bit sad. For them.
 
They got TWD right.

TWD is like watching some Anime.

Fillers, some parts of the story change, fillers, special moments change locations or characters completely, the delivery is stronger on the original material.
 
Why is Mad Men overrated? Curious as a lot of people are saying that and not giving any reason why.

Honestly for me it was just...not interesting. I've only watched the first season. But most shows that I've watched didn't have a hard time hooking me quickly. Quite a few shows got me interested with their opening scene.
 
They really needed to take a look at The Sopranos.

It still boggles my mind that program is still as loved and revered as it is. First 2-3 seasons are strong, then it quickly sinks into tedium, repetition, and petty family squabbles that go nowhere.
 
They got TWD right.

TWD is like watching some Anime.

Fillers, some parts of the story change, fillers, special moments change locations or characters completely, the delivery is stronger on the original material.

I enjoy TWD for what it is, but it's usually not a highly lauded show. When people talk about its success it's in terms of popularity rather than people arguing that it's in the realm of The Wire, Breaking Bad, Sopranos, Boardwalk Empire, etc... Many people refer to it as a guilty pleasure even. For a highly popular show I personally think it is better made than other highly popular shows such as NCIS, CSI (Back when it was popular) and Big Bang Theory, but I agree it certainly has its faults.
 
"I don't like thing: television edition"

Yeah I'm not a huge fan of every show listed but, as Friends showed me back in the 90s, I don't have to like everything popular.
 
Not clicking. Those shows OP lists are mostly if not all, off the air now.

You don't have to watch them if you don't like them while they air. But damn after they are OFF the damn air, you REALLY have no reason to cry about them.
 
Why does his problem with Arrested Development sound like an inferiority complex? Sounds like he is sparring with the show's shadow more than anything else.

In modern parlance "overrated" = Popular thing I don't like.

There's nothing wrong with saying that (or the opposite, underrated), although its merits lie in how you explain yourself.
 
Terrible taste. Seinfeld is the GOAT along with The Simpsons.


Friends and ER... meh

I remember those shows getting better ratings and winning awards over Seinfeld and the Simpsons and it always irked me.
 
Arrested Development?

Fuck you maybe the last season, everything else though? NOPE.

I think the article is tripe, but to be fair I'm rewatching AD again and quality falls off significantly halfway through season 2.
 
You can probably write an article about Seinfeld and Arrested Development being bad if you were born in 2010 and grew up on all the shows that grew out of what they were doing. If you have any sense of what TV was like in the nineties and early 2000's, you'd have to be an idiot to not see what the hype is about though.
 
If there's one thing to take away from this article/thread, it's that you should watch This is England (movie) followed by the three miniseries'. Just do it. The most emotionally intense TV you'll ever watch, and some of the best acting to ever grace any moving image ever.
 
Man, this sounds like the article equivalent of me 5 years ago, when I'd tell my friends I've never watched Firefly just for a reaction. Both instances got reactions, but they're not good. Glad I didn't click. We can all agree that Friends is overrated, though, right?

You can probably write an article about Seinfeld and Arrested Development being bad if you were born in 2010 and grew up on all the shows that grew out of what they were doing. If you have any sense of what TV was like in the nineties and early 2000's, you'd have to be an idiot to not see what the hype is about though.

Definitely. But even then, I didn't start watching Arrested Development until this Summer, and I still think it's fresh. Both shows are great, even when removed from their time of release and cultural influence that followed.
 
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