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Battlestar Galactica WAS criminally overrated. The Battlestar that is, not the show. Everyone knows Pegasus is best Battlestar.
Mad Men to Seinfeld TV's most criminally overrated shows - The Guardian
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I'm currently on the 5th season. It does get better as it goes along but its no Father Ted or Peep show.
A Battlestar is only as good as its commander.
Adama > Cain/Adama/other single episode commanders
Really? I think Seinfeld holds up extremely well, I still watch it from time to time.
TarpitCarnivore
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I agree withe Arrested Development / Community comments, more Community than Arrested Development. I always found Community to be a bit full of itself with some episodes.
I think the issue with Lost was that it was a victim of it's own success and fandom. It's the first show I can think of that had rapid fans who were trying to dissect everything and piece together ideas of what was going on. What I loved out of it was the mystery of everything and not having everything answered, however this wasn't the case for everyone. People needed answers and wanted to know every intricate thing explained back to them (remember the statue foot?). I believe this desire coupled with fan theories (I despise fan theories) is what killed the show for a lot of people. I remember after the finale a radio show had caller after caller saying how they "wasted six years for no answers". The show does go a bit to shite come season 4/5 and despite what people say season 3 is pretty damn strong.
I feel it doesn't work well now when people watch is because it was not written for binge watching (another issue I have is the loss of episodes in TV). So the mystery each episode and season built to keep viewers coming back is entirely lost (no pun) when someone mainlines 3 seasons over a weekend.
I think the issue with Lost was that it was a victim of it's own success and fandom. It's the first show I can think of that had rapid fans who were trying to dissect everything and piece together ideas of what was going on. What I loved out of it was the mystery of everything and not having everything answered, however this wasn't the case for everyone. People needed answers and wanted to know every intricate thing explained back to them (remember the statue foot?). I believe this desire coupled with fan theories (I despise fan theories) is what killed the show for a lot of people. I remember after the finale a radio show had caller after caller saying how they "wasted six years for no answers". The show does go a bit to shite come season 4/5 and despite what people say season 3 is pretty damn strong.
I feel it doesn't work well now when people watch is because it was not written for binge watching (another issue I have is the loss of episodes in TV). So the mystery each episode and season built to keep viewers coming back is entirely lost (no pun) when someone mainlines 3 seasons over a weekend.
Frozenprince
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Seinfeld literally created modern comedy.
Agreed on Breaking Bad but how was Battlestar Galactica awful? If anything I was not a fan of the miniseries at all. It was too military gung-ho sci-fi nonsense. The show did a poor job at introducing its characters (who felt like caricatures in the mini-series) but were added depth later on as the series went along. Roslin scenes were especially badly handled I thought (in the Miniseries). The show definitely has its faults however and I think suffers from extended seasons of 20 episodes. I'm in the middle of watching it right now (halfway through S3) and there have been times where I felt like like quitting due to long strings mediocre episodes.
Awful is a bit harsh, but the first 2 seasons are really the only GOOD seasons. It lost it's footing starting with S3 and never found it again.
DerZuhälter
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The most overrated show is by far Game of Thrones. Big budget, beautiful production, mediocre acting and downright terrible writing and plot progression in the last 3 seasons.
Overloaded with minor side characters and story threads going nowhere. And as soon as you critizise it the a lot of the fans deflect with " Well in the books it was a lot more detailed..."
I don't care about your shitty books, I want good TV and GoT is failing to deliver that in the last couple of years.
Overloaded with minor side characters and story threads going nowhere. And as soon as you critizise it the a lot of the fans deflect with " Well in the books it was a lot more detailed..."
I don't care about your shitty books, I want good TV and GoT is failing to deliver that in the last couple of years.
old manatee
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Seinfeld was fine when it came out, but now that there are like 10 seasons of Curb Your Enthusiasm starring the real deal, I don't know why anybody would go back to Jerry.
Being overrated or not is a matter of opinion, but I really didn't find anything about Mad Men interesting or engrossing. I tried, but I just couldn't stand it.
I agree for season 4 and 5, but 6 was excellent and it finally pushed the actual story (and most characters arcs) forward. Season 4 and 5 felt like they were stuck in limbo.
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I agree for season 4 and 5, but 6 was excellent and it finally pushed the actual story (and most characters arcs) forward. Season 4 and 5 felt like they were stuck in limbo.
Mortimer Brewster
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Battlestar is overrated in it get all sorts of critical love while other superior contemporary sci fi series, namely Farscape were ignored. Battlestar was good and had some top notch episodes(most of Season 1 and 2, New Caprica, The Mutiny etc) but was bogged down by poor filler episodes and ironically considering one of two taglines poorly planned story arches.
gutter_trash
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Seinfeld is still awesome today, a timeless classic for broadcast sitcom.
Arrested Development season 1-2 were great, season 3 okay, season 4 sucked
Arrested Development season 1-2 were great, season 3 okay, season 4 sucked
It may be overrated but it is not awful.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-...nderrated-shows-pulling-top-gear-time-trumpet
Ah shit though, they've redeemed themselves by putting Wonder Showzen and Clone High in a list of underrated shows today.
I found Terriers kinda boring though, tbh.
Ah shit though, they've redeemed themselves by putting Wonder Showzen and Clone High in a list of underrated shows today.
I found Terriers kinda boring though, tbh.
How is Top Gear and Survivor on they list ?
Aren't they both massive shows with millions of viewers?
Yeah I guess they're considering most people would watch but badmouth them, yet they're better than even viewers give them credit for? There's certainly shows I watch that I love to complain about, yet I don't stop watching.
I don't really know, I honestly only read the bits on Wonder Showzen and Clone High which are both fantastic.
That's what happens when you have to set things up for a huge endgame. Shit takes time.
I understand, and GOT has a shitload of arcs, but it just felt like they didn't know what to do or how to really push the story forward in those two seasons. It seems that going ahead without the book was a good thing for the show.
Gotta agree with Mad Men... What a boring ass show...
Let's take all the interesting advertising bits, and maybe have a total of 45 mins dedicated to the product each season, and let's jumble up the rest of the story with corny love triangles and bullshit problems and mundane twists..
Let's take all the interesting advertising bits, and maybe have a total of 45 mins dedicated to the product each season, and let's jumble up the rest of the story with corny love triangles and bullshit problems and mundane twists..
Mentioning Time Trumpet makes all of this redeemed. I met Tim Key once years ago and asked him if he'd be up for doing Cilla Black's autopsy again for reals.
I guess of the actual 4 cows (Sopranos, Wire, Mad Men, Breaking Bad) the easiest target will always be Mad Men. Because of what Matthew Weiner decided was the point of Mad Men......how Don Draper created the Coca Cola ad.
How a guy made a contribution to meaningless advertising.
That will never ever sit right with any critical viewer. Ever.
How a guy made a contribution to meaningless advertising.
That will never ever sit right with any critical viewer. Ever.
huh?
Now I haven't seen all of Mad Men but from what I have seen that never occurred to be the 'point' of Mad Men (to me at least).
karmaforgotme
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Mad Men - one of the best shows ever not to air on HBO
Battlestar Galactica - I loved it, and it is one of my all-time favorites, but it does have several throw away episodes. Given the background of the show and the type of show it is they are wrong.
Arrested Development - What? Next you will say Seinfeld is overrated.
The Walking Dead - Ok not a great show, but overrated by who? It is not a critical darling like most of the shows on this list. Maybe it doesn't deserve the ratings it gets, but that allows AMC to keep shows like Halt & Catch Fire on the air.
Downton Abbey - went completely downhill after the season 3 finale. That said after season 3 it also stopped be a critical darling, because its soap opera format was exposed from that point on.
Friends - my wife will kill me, but it was overrated even when it originally aired. It never made me laugh ever, but I am really not a fan of sitcoms (Rosanne and Seinfeld are the only two from the 90's I liked).
Seinfeld - What? Next you will say Arrested Development is overrated.
The West Wing - Yep overrated.
Lost - hmmm...most people look at Lost (even fans) and recognize that it is a very flawed show that despite those flaws they still love it. So disagree it is overrated (at least in my circles).
This is England - Never head of it
So I agree on Friends and The West Wing, and 100% strongly disagree on Mad Men, Seinfeld, BSG, and Arrested Development. That said they are overrating the critical view of shows like The Walking Dead, Downton Abbey, and Lost. Most normal fans and critics have no problem pointing out the flaws of those shows.
Battlestar Galactica - I loved it, and it is one of my all-time favorites, but it does have several throw away episodes. Given the background of the show and the type of show it is they are wrong.
Arrested Development - What? Next you will say Seinfeld is overrated.
The Walking Dead - Ok not a great show, but overrated by who? It is not a critical darling like most of the shows on this list. Maybe it doesn't deserve the ratings it gets, but that allows AMC to keep shows like Halt & Catch Fire on the air.
Downton Abbey - went completely downhill after the season 3 finale. That said after season 3 it also stopped be a critical darling, because its soap opera format was exposed from that point on.
Friends - my wife will kill me, but it was overrated even when it originally aired. It never made me laugh ever, but I am really not a fan of sitcoms (Rosanne and Seinfeld are the only two from the 90's I liked).
Seinfeld - What? Next you will say Arrested Development is overrated.
The West Wing - Yep overrated.
Lost - hmmm...most people look at Lost (even fans) and recognize that it is a very flawed show that despite those flaws they still love it. So disagree it is overrated (at least in my circles).
This is England - Never head of it
So I agree on Friends and The West Wing, and 100% strongly disagree on Mad Men, Seinfeld, BSG, and Arrested Development. That said they are overrating the critical view of shows like The Walking Dead, Downton Abbey, and Lost. Most normal fans and critics have no problem pointing out the flaws of those shows.
I went back to Arrested Development recently and I really didn't like it that much.
There are like four jokes in that show, told over and over and over. Tobias is gay! Buster wants to bang his mom! Lindsay is spoiled! Michael is a bad father and doesn't even know it!
GOB and Lucille are decent characters (and played by good comic actors) but overall it just felt incredibly lazy and repetitive.
There are like four jokes in that show, told over and over and over. Tobias is gay! Buster wants to bang his mom! Lindsay is spoiled! Michael is a bad father and doesn't even know it!
GOB and Lucille are decent characters (and played by good comic actors) but overall it just felt incredibly lazy and repetitive.
dead souls
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I really don't see what historical accuracy has to do with whether or not a show is good.
There is no way to look at the ridiculous outpouring of Emmys/critical love for Mad Men and not come away thinking that the show, while good, was wildly overrated.
I really don't see what historical accuracy has to do with whether or not a show is good.
There is no way to look at the ridiculous outpouring of Emmys/critical love for Mad Men and not come away thinking that the show, while good, was wildly overrated.
karmaforgotme
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You are making an absolute statement (there is no way) regarding something that is subjective. I don't find it overrated at all. If anything I think it deserved more Emmys, and right now I don't think there is anything currently that comes close to it's quality (seasons 2 of Leftovers & Halt & Catch Fire maybe).
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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Friends I can get behind. Seinfeld has a terrible first season and an incredibly hit and miss last two seasons (one of my least favorite 30 minutes of a comedy show is in there), but a lot of the I between is some of the best sit com material ever. Arrested development is also really good, mainly the first to seasons, but there's good material in the other two. I can somewhat agree with Mad Men. I haven't seen all of it, just really couldn't get into it. Possibly doesn't help that the creator is the sole credited writer on the only episode of the Sopranos I hate.
karmaforgotme
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I would of agreed that Masters of Sex was close, but last season was a disaster. It was bad.
Modern?
Frasier is GOAT
And this is just ten people naming a highly rated show that they did not enjoy.
Ignatz Mouse
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Mad Men: Maybe my favorite show. Overrated if you don't "get" it, but for those who care there's a ton there. Worth the praise it gets.
Battlestar Galactica: Started out awesome and tanked. And that's also the way everyone seems to rate it, so... not overrated? I didn't hate the last couple of seasons as much as some people, even.
Arrested Development: Didn't get into it, but seemed solid.
The Walking Dead: Who rates this highly?
Downton Abbey: haven't seen
Friends: Watched for a while, very fun.
Seinfeld: Haven't seen enough of, but what I saw was very funny.
The West Wing: Haven't seen
Lost: Haven't seen
This is England: Haven's seen
So, of the shows that I've seen a lot or at least a sampling of, the list is completely wrong.
I do recall reading some Mad Men recaps along the way where it seemed that the writer just misunderstood things (like, had character relationships or plot points factually wrong) and now I am wondering if that was this Guardian writer, who maybe lost track of what was going on and thus only saw it as a soap. Mad Men did make you work more than most shows.
Mad Men: Maybe my favorite show. Overrated if you don't "get" it, but for those who care there's a ton there. Worth the praise it gets.
Battlestar Galactica: Started out awesome and tanked. And that's also the way everyone seems to rate it, so... not overrated? I didn't hate the last couple of seasons as much as some people, even.
Arrested Development: Didn't get into it, but seemed solid.
The Walking Dead: Who rates this highly?
Downton Abbey: haven't seen
Friends: Watched for a while, very fun.
Seinfeld: Haven't seen enough of, but what I saw was very funny.
The West Wing: Haven't seen
Lost: Haven't seen
This is England: Haven's seen
So, of the shows that I've seen a lot or at least a sampling of, the list is completely wrong.
I do recall reading some Mad Men recaps along the way where it seemed that the writer just misunderstood things (like, had character relationships or plot points factually wrong) and now I am wondering if that was this Guardian writer, who maybe lost track of what was going on and thus only saw it as a soap. Mad Men did make you work more than most shows.
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