Panos don't give a fuck about boundaries
Meet Polaris 11 (Baffin) GPU that could be powering the Xbox One S
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Panos don't give a fuck about boundaries
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I heard he gave Isaac Newton's corpse a good kicking.
dragonelite
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I heard he tripped and dropped a surface on Newton's grave.
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Nope. Native 4K, in fact any native resolution simply means the output isn't being upscaled by the monitor or TV.
The whole point of the term is to describe an output data-stream in absence of an external resizing mechanism.
How the image is composed is irrelevant, because ultimately its not a useful or meaningful piece of data when there are so many factors potentially in play regarding perceptual image-quality.
Caayn
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What? According to your logic Ryse son of rome (for example) is native 1080p. Because the XB1 outputs that game at 1080p resolution and the upscaling is handled by the game internally instead of by the XB1 or the TV/monitor.
Edit: You seem to be talking solely about the native resolution of a display. Not that of a game. Two different things
They may be saving fully enabled part for laptops @ lower clocks.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
What? According to your logic Ryse son of rome (for example) is native 1080p. Because the XB1 outputs that game at 1080p resolution and the upscaling is handled by the game internally instead of by the XB1 or the TV/monitor.
Edit: You seem to be talking solely about the native resolution of a display. Not that of a game. Two different things
Resolution contributes towards image-quality but isn't the totality of it. There's a massive difference between an unprocessed and a heavily anti-aliased image of the same dimensions. Then there's the major issue that within any size of frame-buffer, render resolution per-element is arbitrary; UI may be different from scene res, shadow and vfx res may be different again, texture size and texel density (texture res versus pixel size when scaled, transformed and projected onto a surface) play a huge role, and so on.
Its fundamentally a meaningless metric by itself.
The only time it really comes into play is when the geometry and resolution of the display device is different to that of the output device, as that potentially involves another layer of distortion and degradation to creep in as its an additional transformation step to a finished image.
Point being; there is no such animal as native resolution within a rendered image, because its a mosaic of components at arbitrary sizes. Hence native refers to native to the output device as compared to the display device which is completely external to the rendering process.
I understand what you mean but wouldn't it be beneficial for the sake of future conversations to have a set standard for the terms? When discussing the resolution of games like Quantum Break, it wouldn't be entirely accurate to say it's running at 1080p for example.
When people refer to the native resolution of a game, it usually points to the opaque geometry, or so I thought.
littlebigman
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How's the power consumption of the Slim compared to the OG Xbone? Apologies if this was in the OP - I suck at unscrambling GPU-speak.
Caayn
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I understand what you mean. However my point is that for a long time we've used "native" in the context of a game to speak of the rendered resolution. Ryse 1600*900 (despite outputting a 1920*1080 image), BF4 1280*720 (XB1 / 1600*900 (PS4), Knack 1920*1080 for example.
Even if you have a rather simple geometry, take a tire made up of 20 polygons for example, it'd benefit from being rendered at a higher resolution. Same goes for shadows, even when they themselves are of a low resolution, having the final frame being rendered at a higher resolution decreases aliasing on them.
THE:MILKMAN
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Don't think anyone that has one early have checked with a watt meter yet. Looks like the PSU is rated at 180W according to the figures on the back panel. OG Xbox One I believe has a PSU rated at 198W (latest revision) and I have read that internal PSUs are more efficient than external so 180W if correct seems high to me. We'll have to wait a few more days to find out what the score is here.
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This is a fair point, but I think given how the technology and range of techniques in use has expanded in recent years I think its gotten to a state where its not really a viable metric of quality anymore. It just creates more confusion.
I expect the waters to get even muddier in future as average resolutions creep upwards (and beyond ultimately) towards 4k, making the perceptual difference increasingly difficult to discern, and changing the pro/con balance of employing internal re-projection techniques in the render pipeline.
Bottom line for me is that while I believe most gamers do care about image quality, clinging to simple numerical metrics like resolution simply serves to give the peanut-gallery fodder to try and one-up each other over.
Caayn
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Agreed.
Xenoflare
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100%
I guess some things never change, console wars is almost like a sport. Actually it probably is a sport, sales is the score sheet and pixel counting is like arguing stats of the players, (kinda)
Too rational considering your flair 
If you can't read Spanish just use google translate. The 460 is just the lowest end Polaris, it's a logical choice when you have a 6TF console coming in a year.
The first paragraph makes it pretty clear it was an update to an older rumor. Not every rumor is going to be verified.
Why are people still doubting its 28nm?
From reddit.
So it's not 28nm.
What?
Proelite
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From reddit.
So it's not 28nm.
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That's Mike Ybarra on an Xbox Discord channel.
serversurfer
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Just FYI, AMD's other design win is some sort of ARM SoC, so prolly not powering SlimBone.
"In its most recent earnings call AMD announced a brand new semi-custom design beyond the two semi-custom chips that the company had announced last year. This means that the company is working on three semi-custom chips. One of the two that were announced last year is x86-64bit based and the other is ARM 64-bit based. AMD confirmed that the latest design win announced in the Q2 earnings call is also x86 based making this the companys fourth design to incorporate the x86-64bit CPU architecture. The previous two being the XBOX ONE and the PS4 and the third being the one announced last year."
http://wccftech.com/amd-making-processor-nintendo-nx/
"In its most recent earnings call AMD announced a brand new semi-custom design beyond the two semi-custom chips that the company had announced last year. This means that the company is working on three semi-custom chips. One of the two that were announced last year is x86-64bit based and the other is ARM 64-bit based. AMD confirmed that the latest design win announced in the Q2 earnings call is also x86 based making this the companys fourth design to incorporate the x86-64bit CPU architecture. The previous two being the XBOX ONE and the PS4 and the third being the one announced last year."
http://wccftech.com/amd-making-processor-nintendo-nx/
Sony's new handheld. Calling it now.
serversurfer
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lol Actually, I forgot I was gonna say, "PSP3?" at the end of my post.
If Sony do come out with another handheld, it'd better be a phone too, so people will actually buy it. Oh, and actually call it PSP3 so people know WTF it even is.
Takes them "beyond gaming," I believe they said. Pretty sure they also said it was one of the x86 designs though, actually… =/
I was right on the nose on the power consumption.
Also interesting that the GPU in the S model runs approx the same frequency as the rumored GPU clock for the Neo.
I also pointed out that the Neo (and now Xbox One S) GPU clock lines up nicely with the state 2 of RX480. Maybe that's the sweet spot for 14FF for GF?
Also interesting that the GPU in the S model runs approx the same frequency as the rumored GPU clock for the Neo.
I also pointed out that the Neo (and now Xbox One S) GPU clock lines up nicely with the state 2 of RX480. Maybe that's the sweet spot for 14FF for GF?
serversurfer
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I thought TSMC did the console chips?
This is the correct term.
