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Overwatch gets Summer Games update (new mode in Weekly Brawl, new skins/etc)
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HazySaiyan
Banned
With shitty odds too, I initially read that as one skin per box and then reread it. I'm not buying a single one, it does make their gold system pathetic too.
Interfectum
Gold Member
I don't care to compare this to other games... but this is definitely a 'new low' for Overwatch which is all that matters.
hikarutilmitt
Member
Seriously? Abusive? For cosmetics? What? Are they holding you at gunpoint and threatening to break your legs if you don't pay for them?
Insert terrible joke about testing the contents on animals
Pressured into spending money? Why? For in-game street cred and so they can take a screenshot and say "haha look what I got!"
Interfectum
Gold Member
Only thing I can figure, they want to make sure 'events' like these are fully funded. So Summer games, Halloween, Christmas, etc will all have their own, exclusive, loot only items to ensure the dev time gets paid for (and they make a shitload of money).
The problem with this is they are introducing a loot only event before releasing more in-game items for us to purchase with gold. It looks bad. They shouldn't really go full predator with their first cosmetic offering out the gate.
Just because you see no value in having these skins doesn't mean others can't.
Or they could just implement a trading system so people can just trade each other for the skins they want.
I'm honestly surprised people didn't see this coming, Blizzard has been following the Valve playbook pretty closely and Valve games have had tons of time limited cases/crates. Of course with Valve games you can trade pretty much any item and sell some items on the community market so you can still get discontinued stuff if you trade for it or buy it, it's just going to cost you more.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Is there a "Swimming In Fecal Matter" emote?
I thought he'd be vindicated at some point, like years in the future. Not one month later
Garrett Hawke
Member
Same, myself and my group of regulars were all really excited for this, we've been saving our coins and shit.
ayyyy
Pixel Fist
Member
No you get actual weapons in them instead.
Gipsy Danger
Member
People don't seem to get it. I'm sure some people are mad for this reason. But the main reason people are mad is because this is absolutely Blizzard trying to coerce people with addictive personalities into buying these boxes. You can earn every other skin in the game but these. And they also happen to be limited time only so the ONLY way you will get these is by either leveling up a hell of a lot or buying a bunch of crates AND being lucky. Yes, you don't need them and they are just cosmetic but people who don't need them aren't who Blizzard are after with this decision. They are after the whales, people who can't help themselves and it's kind of gross.
You can buy any skin you want on the steam market and special chests actually only contain items of that event.
Interfectum
Gold Member
The difference here is, before this event, even if you had shit luck with loot crates you could eventually build up enough in-game currency to get what you want. Blizz breaking their own rules and making you not even trust the systems they have in place. Not a good look.
I would normally give Blizzard the benefit of the doubt because I am a Blizzard stan. But this is just pure greedy gambling tactics. If it was boxes with only these items in it then whatever. But from what I have read it also includes old items? That seems crazy. Have they officially released this yet or is this a leak?
Tell me seriously: the people who complain about needing to play 24/7 to get cool stuff from level up crates, do you really think they have every single cosmetic item in the game by now. Each character has 50
Just because someone likes something doesn't mean they're pressured to buy it. Have some self control.
Yes, abusive. Something doesn't have to be threatening physical violence to be abuse, that's absurd. Offering content as total random chance after a fee in a full price game is absolutely abusive practice towards consumers.
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extremely offensive and insulting.
"Don't like it, don't buy it!" is never an excuse for terrible business practices.
Interfectum
Gold Member
It's not about having every single cosmetic item, it's about getting the items you want. Like I said before, if you have shit luck with lootcrates you can still build up currency to eventually buy the skin you want your hero to have.
This is no longer the case with the summer items. There is no other way for you to get a skin you want other than to gamble potentially hundreds of dollars. It's slimy at best, predatory at worst.
Beeblebrox
Member
Do we know when these crates go live?
Say that to person with addictive personality and don't feel like total scum. Some people don't have self control even if they wanted to.
Gipsy Danger
Member
This model literally exists to take advantage of people who do not have that self control. Blizzard aren't innocent in this.
You can buy any skin but they're not a set price and are determined by the game's economy. The kind of cool stuff in CS:GO that people are in awe at and have missed out on due to rarity cost hundreds of dollars. And that only nets you one item.
You'd need to be playing the game a heck of a lot to get the coin drops for any of the cool skins already in the game. And yet the same people who've been grinding and getting lots of currency suddenly have a problem with grinding lots to get event items?
Vault Dweller 111
Member
Anyone who bought the $40 version of the game is already locked out of some skins forever. If you don't buy a Blizzcon ticket you'll miss out on some skins. Stuff like this is gonna happen a lot. Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, etc. I think in a year we'll be laughing at anyone who would ever expect to own 100% of items. It doesn't seem to be the way the game was designed. I think they would rather have everybody wearing different shit, and just having tons of stuff all around.
I'm not saying you can't be salty about limited time items. But it won't be the last time, and if anyone has any delusions about a 100% collection, it might be time to end that fantasy now.
They have a lot worse enemies out there than Blizzard if they can't control themselves from buying loot boxes for Olympic skins and sprays.
I'm not saying this isn't a dubious event scheme for Blizzard, but come on, posts like this lack perspective.
Dreams-Visions
Member
unfortunately, I read the OP twice just to make sure I saw an "or" at the end of the sentence about summer items.
you could get a skin. OR any of that other shit you don't actually care about and don't want.
It's not like every person complaining in this thread is an addict. They're pissed because they're going to miss out. Don't sit there and use "what about addicts" to defend what are essentially people whinging that they might miss out.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
I didn't like the old system but the difference here is pretty clear. There is no guarantee here so this is not grinding anymore. This is just 100% gambling.
So does posts at level of "lol, have some self control".
I think (2) has some level of justification, in that allowing people to save up and splurge for a limited event somewhat ruins the point of such an event. It radically alters the rarity of those items, to the point where anyone saving up will be able to immediately get everything they want. This hardly suits Blizzard and to some degree it ruins the whole excitement and point of such an event.
I understand why some people are angry about this, but I like the fact that it is limited time and by chance. This way when you get a cool skin it will actually be rare, and not everyone will (or even can have it). Otherwise I just play until I have 1000 coins and buy the skins I want most. And if I don't manage to get what I want, oh well, I am sure there will be other new limited skins down the road for other big holidays/events.
It's the timed element people are mad about. I'm fine with grinding to 2,000 coins to get the cool new Tracer Olympics skin but if I have to do that in a matter of weeks for just a small chance at getting the skin I want that isn't fun nor is it rewarding.
If being able to buy a skin with gold you've saved up ruins the excitement and point of an event then I'd argue the event sucked ass in the first place.
Interfectum
Gold Member
If that's the case they should have been introducing a steady flood of in-game items to ensure people's currency stays near zero. This is an ass-backwards way of going about it and makes you question the very systems Blizzard has put in place. Not a good look.
thetrin
Hail, peons, for I have come as ambassador from the great and bountiful Blueberry Butt Explosion
Ribbit is the best skin in the game.
Damn. I love the idea but the execution is just so lacking. Even a guaranteed 2 summer items per box - half a box containing exclusive items - would seem way fairer.
I have consistently terrible luck so I'm sure that even if I bought a load of these, I'd get only skins for characters I don't play or a ton of sprays and nothing else. My main issue with all of this stuff is that there is never any guarantee that I will get exactly what I want, no matter how much I spend. The core game doesn't have this issue since I can buy anything but profile icons with currency, but this completely eliminates that fairness.
Maybe they could've introduced a temporary 'olympic currency' too that is only generated in olympic boxes and allows you to buy only olympic items. They still make decent bank that way and remove the element of complete randomness. Not having a way to get exactly what you want and only being able to buy boxes with real money seems pretty mean-spirited.
I have consistently terrible luck so I'm sure that even if I bought a load of these, I'd get only skins for characters I don't play or a ton of sprays and nothing else. My main issue with all of this stuff is that there is never any guarantee that I will get exactly what I want, no matter how much I spend. The core game doesn't have this issue since I can buy anything but profile icons with currency, but this completely eliminates that fairness.
Maybe they could've introduced a temporary 'olympic currency' too that is only generated in olympic boxes and allows you to buy only olympic items. They still make decent bank that way and remove the element of complete randomness. Not having a way to get exactly what you want and only being able to buy boxes with real money seems pretty mean-spirited.
guybrushfreeman
Unconfirmed Member
Would you walk into a meeting of recovering gambling addicts and say "you're only pissed you missed out on winning". Like I said in my other post there is a big difference between something that's possible to grind and something available with gambling only. Gambling has real problems that have no place being added to what is already a full price retail title.
It is a companies job to make sure their practices aren't predatory.
This is not predatory.
If a person lacks the self control to not spend all their money on something that isn't predatory, that is on them.
Because this is a paid $40 (for just the base game) game, not F2P. By making this content exclusive to lootcrates during such a short time span Blizzard is essentially harbouring a culture of haves and have-nots. Can't play 200 hours of OW in 2 weeks? Not getting the content. Can't fork over $200 before this arbitrary timespan? Not getting the content. Rarity =/= exclusivity, golden guns are a perfect example of how to make something special and unique and this is definitely not.
There's no guarantee ever. You do not get 100% guaranteed currency drops.
"What about the addicts" for this kind of thing, not even a system like TF2 and CS:GO where they give you "free" crates and want you to pay to unlock them, is like "think about the kids" to me. You can get all the things in the game without spending a dime, and other exclusive skins already expect you to spend money anyway. As others have said, unless you're buying Origins edition and watch Blizzcon you've already missed out.
Vital Tundra
Member
A big issue i see is that our first cosmetic update and it's a limited time event with no other way to get the skins? How many are we going to have by years end? 3 more? And when will we get a skins update that I can actually use my coins on? It's kinda fucked up that this is the first thing we are getting. I already have the legendary skins I want just from leveling up to 40 and the fact that we are waiting longer for more that are reasonably obtainable is the worst part.