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[Plum]

I was only speaking about people spending money on loot crates for gold coins because that is what the original post was talking about.

And so was I. Even for the few that only bought Lootboxes for coins they can't be blamed as Blizzard made no indications that gold coins would be useless for everything non-Vanilla.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

No matter what system is in place, someone would be disadvantaged. Random drop crates are bad for addicts, buying skins directly is bad for people who do shopping "therapy", letting you buy credits instead is bad for people who hoarde items and want everything and fast.

This really is a worse system than other which is why people are unhappy. It's not a case of everything they do would be just as bad. They could've, for example, simply added them to the old system and let people buy what that want directly. This is worse than other systems, it's clearly worse than the system which the game already uses. This isn't a case of everything is just as bad so this is okay. No game should be using a direct gambling system, it really is worse than any other option.

 

[dity]

See above. They expected future skins to be unlock able the exact same way all skins except the pre-order skins were. Saving up coins doesn't mean they were buying loot rates explicitly to get coins either.

No matter how you feel about this Olympic thing, this right here is in no way Blizzard's
fault.

You are acting like a apologist though. And the new low comment is literally a reference to another Overwatch thread, hence the quotes and the in all seriousness comment that immediately follows. I'm sorry that people here are "angry" somehow in spite of the fact that other companies also engage in gross business practices. Everything's all better now!

So I'm an apologist because I'm not jumping on the hate bandwagon straight away? Forgive me for actually thinking they're just some skins. A skin you only see from someone else's perspective or on the main menu.

And cool reference dude. I wasn't there for it. Crazy how that could happen.

 

[Azlan]

And so was I. Even for the few that only bought Lootboxes for coins they can't be blamed as Blizzard made no indications that gold coins would be useless for everything non-Vanilla.

That would be pretty terrible. We don't know that coins will be useless for everything non-vanilla. I fully expect them to expand the normally unlockable set of cosmetics in addition to the timed special event stuff. If not, that would be really shitty.

 

[Mindwipe]

At this point, I'm just really curious to see how Blizzard hand-waves this away.

When you think about it, I'm sure that the IOC paid Blizzard to do this promotional event, and the fact that they turn around and fleece their players right after...

I'm sure their explanation will be comical at best.

This is nothing to do with the IOC. There are no official logos or a single IOC trademark.

And lol, the IOC do not pay for publicity. Not ever. They are an enormous machine designed to hoover up money, not spit it out.

 

[Auctopus]

So fatassgaf is offended because its sports related and gamblingadditgaf is offended cuz its more to spend money on. Did i miss anything?

This post isn't really worth replying to but it's worth saying: you can do Sports skins that are actually interesting. See: Lucio's Hockey skin.

The Olympic skins seem to just be glorified leotards and t-shirt/short combinations.

 

[TheCongressman1]

If limited time loot only skins become a thing, I'll end up dropping this game fast.

I figured they'd make improvements to their unlock system, not make it more shitty.

 

[Zemm]

Automatic trash post because you used the phrase entitled. It's astounding to see someone call people greedy for wanting the opportunity to unlock content in a game many people bought, probably in part, due to the promise of long-term, mostly free support.

It's even more of a trash post because he couldn't even read the fucking thread title and understand how this Summer loot system works (i.e can't buy items with coins).

 

[Plum]

No matter how you feel about this Olympic thing, this right here is in no way Blizzard's
fault.

How is this not Blizzards fault? It's Blizzard who decided to make coins useless and its Blizzard who made no indication whatsoever that this would be the case.

 

[dity]

This really is a worse system than other which is why people are unhappy. It's not a case of everything they do would be just as bad. They could've, for example, simply added them to the old system and let people buy what that want directly. This is worse than other systems, it's clearly worse than the system which the game already uses. This isn't a case of everything is just as bad so this is okay. No game should be using a direct gambling system, it really is worse than any other option.

They're still going to either have to grind through levels hoping for a drop of the skin or currency, or pay money to get more crates in hopes they drop currency. It's already been shown people have spent money on crates just for the chance of getting credits.

 

[Izayoi]

They are an enormous machine designed to hoover up money, not spit it out.

So, not much different from Blizzard themselves, then?

 

[Gator86]

This really is a worse system than other which is why people are unhappy. It's not a case of everything they do would be just as bad. They could've, for example, simply added them to the old system and let people buy what that want directly. This is worse than other systems, it's clearly worse than the system which the game already uses. This isn't a case of everything is just as bad so this is okay. No game should be using a direct gambling system, it really is worse than any other option.

Ummm, that's the point. You want to continually push more aggressively anti-consumer practices so you can push more anti-consumer practices in the future. The only things that halt companies' progressively gross behavior is customer backlash that has a tangible impact on some level or regulatory intervention.

 

[labx]

Blizzard is like a girlfriend with BLP (borderline Personality) she is cool but has a lot of whorish moves. And that why you can't love her fully. She has a void that no one can fill. So you spill money, time, affection and dedication but is never enough because in the end she is never going to be fulfilled with you. The only wants you because of what you can give her. She maybe seems emphatic and show some kind of twisted love but in the end it's all a lie. She doesn't love you or care about you, only cares about her our well-being.

Replace she and her for blizzard.

I was married to a woman with BLP and spend 50 dollar's in lot box. I made one of this mistakes sometime ago. Never.again.


Edit: Blizzard is supporting an event full of greed and corruption that brought a Nation to a economic and social collapse? Fuck you Sarah... I mean Blizzard.

 

[dity]

How is this not Blizzards fault? It's Blizzard who decided to make coins useless and its Blizzard who made no indication whatsoever that this would be the case.

Blizzard released Ana that came with 50 new items. All that can be gotten with credits bar for achievement sprays.

 

[guybrushfreeman]

They're still going to either have to grind through levels hoping for a drop of the skin or currency, or pay money to get more crates in hopes they drop currency. It's already been shown people have spent money on crates just for the chance of getting credits.

I don't like those systems either but they are still different than the straight gambling this system uses.

 

[MadLaughter]

The coins themselves were already kind of a concession/compromise for the randomness of the loot boxes, so to invalidate that compromise is doubly disappointing.

 

[Nintendad]

Have they said you can't actually earn them?

 

[Zemm]

At the very least, you could spend them on Ana items when she came out. So maybe we're only excluded from using it on time limited event items, like this? But that's still leaving to guess work what proportion of 'additional skins and cosmetics' will be time limited event shit, and what proportion will be available full time, or added as a base kit for new characters.

I can guarantee right now that all the holidays will be time limited like they are in WoW. It can take you 1+ years to complete some of the holiday achievements in that game.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Event#Seasonal_events

I bet most of those seasonal events will make it to Overwatch and unless the feedback is so much it changes their mind, they will be run like this Summer one is.

New characters = You can buy their skins/voices/sprays with coins
Holidays = This shitty loot crate only system

That's what I think it will be, and we'll be getting a lot more holiday events than new characters.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Only loot boxes and only a limited time?

They might as well say "Don't even try, because you won't get any."

 

[Dimitri LH]

.....guh.

If this is actually true, please do like like League of Legends and make it so its available once every year like they do with their theme skins like Pool party summer, halloween, christmas, chinese new year skins. If its just this one time then I call bullshit.


I might as well prestige to lvl 100 and wait for the event to start,, that way ill get loot boxes quicker as I level faster.

 

[Tenki]

Blizzard released Ana that came with 50 new items. All that can be gotten with credits bar for achievement sprays.

Blizzard are releasing 90 items I can't get with credits because they're being greedy as fuck.

This is like releasing new cards in Hearthstone and not being able to craft them with dust.

 

[orthodoxy1095]

What.

Limited time events and random loot boxes? That's nuts. They should at least add a window on the last day to purchase them.

 

[gatti-man]

This issue really gets on people's nerves doesn't it? I certainly don't 'speak as though everyone has 5,000 credits at the ready', but it's clear that a fair few people do have a lot of credits at the ready, some of whom were no doubt waiting for an event like this. You feel that someone that committed should indeed be able to unlock a load of stuff straight away, I'm simply saying that I can see why Blizzard wouldn't want that. It devalues the event for those players and it will certainly make the items dramatically less rare. Further, once they set the precedent, far more people will save their money up for the next time around.

I tend to find myself advocating for Blizzard in these debates not because I think their system is completely right, but because I find their opponents to be blindingly over the top or downright unreasonable in their criticism.

It is amazing how much flak Blizzard are taking for doing things that are... so... average within the games industry today. These are, at the end of the day, cosmetic items that have no impact on gameplay, and the items are generally high quality. I just can't get that upset when games like Call of Duty, Halo, FIFA, and Battlefield all feature gameplay affecting items in their chests/chest equivalents. Halo 5's chests (or REQ packs) give you cards that can be redeemed for a single use of a single weapon, powerup, or vehicle. It's straight up pay to win, and, unlike in Overwatch where the loot drops are well designed content, they represent content that costs the developer nothing to make.

Overwatch doesn't get a free pass because there are worse things out there but it does make it hard to listen to the more extreme accusations in this thread. I actually think that these RNG style loot chests need to be heavily regulated at a government level, if not outright banned... but I don't consider Blizzard evil for doing a fairly muted version of what everyone else is doing.

Personally, I'd like to see them remove duplicates altogether, though this would probably necessitate some adjustments to how many loot boxes you got, or how many items come out each time. I also think you ought to be able to buy currency from the store (at a pretty sharp exchange rate, around the 50 coins per dollar mark). Those are the two changes I would make if I were Blizzard, and I think they're fair without radically adjusting how quickly/cheaply you can get stuff. They may end up doing these things and they may not. Either way, I can live with it, because they'd make very little difference to the way I play the game.

Do you know how easy it is to get chests and req packs in those other games. They rain from the sky compared to how long it takes to get just one box in overwatch. I've played them and overwatch's loot system is by far the most oderous. So there is a reason they are catching the most flak. That and their game itself is tiny in content compared to those you mention.

 

[Chuck]

Yeah this is bullshit. Let people use the coins they got from the absurd amount of dupes.

Also, no Junkrat skin makes me kind of not care. New map would be WELCOME.

 

[Plum]

Blizzard released Ana that came with 50 new items. All that can be gotten with credits bar for achievement sprays.

And therefore one would assume that all new skins and cosmetic items can be gained through coins?

 

[Niks]

So what happens if you want a skin for a specific character? Have to keep unlocking chests and hope that you get it? That's the only way?

Pray that you get it. Oh, and it's limited time only so, you better play 4 hours daily for a chance to get it.

 

[Inversive]

At least we know mei isn't fat

 

[kami_sama]

This is bullshit. They should not be limited and be available to buy using currency.

 

[21XX]

These kinds of skins are always lame. Boring sports outfits are boring sports outfits.

Should have more anime cat girls, amirite??

 

[Permanently A]

Not available with regular gold. Aw man.

One thing i couldn't tell from the description, can you get the boxes from leveling up or purely from buying?

 

[LiK]

Not available with regular gold. Aw man.

One thing i couldn't tell from the description, can you get the boxes from leveling up or purely from buying?

Yes, you can get them as possible drops until 8/22 from what I read.

 

[Sou Da]

There's your non-pink hair Zarya I guess.

 

[dity]

I don't like those systems either but they are still different than the straight gambling this system uses.

Look. You can ignore that you can get some of the items for free, maybe the ones you want too, with as much chance as spending money. How this thread constantly ignores this fact is baffling to me. Sure that involves playing the game a lot, but you want the skin because you play the game anyway right? It's not "straight gambling" it's "optional monetary gambling". And if playing the game is so much of a problem, why the anger at the time
limit for the event in a game you don't play enough to think gaining levels is hard?

You know what's also behind a wall of grinding? Gold weapons. And competitve points will probably expire every seasom. You cannot use credits on them.

 

[21XX]

This post isn't really worth replying to but it's worth saying: you can do Sports skins that are actually interesting. See: Lucio's Hockey skin.

The Olympic skins seem to just be glorified leotards and t-shirt/short combinations.

They're meant to somewhat mirror the real world counterparts. Good lord some of the comments here, "UGH sports outfits. Lame." "UGH promoting the Olympics. Lame."

It's one set of costumes. One. Not everything needs to be big and goofy and hyper-designed. If you don't enjoy the Olympics, then I can't see how this would be offensive or annoying in any way. They're not shoving it down your throat.

 

[Shotgun Kiss]

Does "limited time" mean you have a limited time in which to win/buy these skins/sprays, or a limited time in which they can be used?

I like that Tracer skin more than any of her other ones (I find her existing alternate ones really disappointing).

 

[Sparrowhawk]

Should have more anime cat girls, amirite??

Honestly I was hoping for some Warcraft/StarCraft/Diablo crossover skins.

 

[The Omega Man]

This is literally the case. I believe in Jeff Kaplan though... hopefully they change it so you can buy 'em with in game currency.

He'll announce his change of heart 1 day before the event ends, once the weak caved and spent hundreds of dollars.

 

[Ploid 3.0]

I can guarantee right now that all the holidays will be time limited like they are in WoW. It can take you 1+ years to complete some of the holiday achievements in that game.

http://wow.gamepedia.com/Event#Seasonal_events

I bet most of those seasonal events will make it to Overwatch and unless the feedback is so much it changes their mind, they will be run like this Summer one is.

New characters = You can buy their skins/voices/sprays with coins
Holidays = This shitty loot crate only system

That's what I think it will be, and we'll be getting a lot more holiday events than new characters.

If they pull this off with minimal back lash, they would have succeeded in sort of turning this game into a big time money maker. Unless people lose interest in the collecting things. It wouldn't be bad if people could at least out right buy the costume they want with cash, but making it lotto and the odds being very low is scummy. This isn't a F2P game.

 

[Mindwipe]

So, not much different from Blizzard themselves, then?

If Blizzard are ever able to get to the level of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Olympic_Games_and_Paralympic_Games_Act_2006 then I will salute them.

 

[Dimitri LH]

When the heck does this even start?

 

[dity]

And therefore one would assume that all new skins and cosmetic items can be gained through coins?

That's still an assumption from the player. It's basically like pre-ordering a game before knowing any detsils or buying a sesom pass that has no DLC info.

 

[Cynar]

All I want is that zarya skin

 

[guybrushfreeman]

Look. You can ignore that you can get some of the items for free, maybe the ones you want too, with as much chance as spending money. How this thread constantly ignores this fact is baffling to me. Sure that involves playing the game a lot, but you want the skin because you play the game anyway right? It's not "straight gambling" it's "optional monetary gambling". And if playing the game is so much of a problem, why the anger at the time
limit for the event in a game you don't play enough to think gaining levels is hard?

You know what's also behind a wall of grinding? Gold weapons. And competitve points will probably expire every seasom. You cannot use credits on them.

It is straight gambling. You cannot grind these items in any way that is the difference. No matter how much time or money someone puts in there will never be improved odds or any guarantee of getting the item. No matter how much you play or how much you spend the odds never ever change, that is gambling. If someone wants a specific item the only option is gambling, there is no other option available. This is not about grinding it is about gambling.

 

[Nintendad]

When the heck does this even start?

I'm guessing in an hour? That'll be noon on the east coast and 9 am on the west.

 

[Permanently A]

Yes, you can get them as possible drops until 8/22 from what I read.

Okay its good that I just prestiged then. I will play lots and try to get as many boxes as possible. Hope I can get Zarya's skin at the very least. Its so much better than all the rest of hers.

 

[Rodelero]

Do you know how easy it is to get chests and req packs in those other games. They rain from the sky compared to how long it takes to get just one box in overwatch. I've played them and overwatch's loot system is by far the most oderous. So there is a reason they are catching the most flak. That and their game itself is tiny in content compared to those you mention.

I don't think those games drop loot chests (or equivalent) nearly as frequently as you think.

 

[Interfectum]

When the heck does this even start?

Probably today considering the loot crate stuff is popping up on PSN.

 

[Dreams-Visions]

'It's just skins" They could be selling invisible sprays and I'd still be disappointed. Shitty consumer practices are shitty regardless of what's being consumed.

-Limited time
-Lumped in with old stuff
-Can't use currency for specifics

All of those are bummers. Each one only makes the other aspects even worse.

If they weren't limited time, at least you'd be able to get them EVENTUALLY.

If you could use currency, at least you could get what you really wanted through some desperation, maybe.

If they weren't lumped in with old stuff, you might at least get a good chance to get a good # of the items.

I've played this game every day and this just bums me out.

yes. but apologists will apologize.

 

[Dimitri LH]

I'm guessing in an hour? That'll be noon on the east coast and 9 am on the west.

Probably today considering the loot crate stuff is popping up on PSN.

That quick huh? Jesus....did they have to do this when classes are about to start? -_-

 

[dity]

It is straight gambling. You cannot grind these items in any way that is the difference. No matter how much time or money someone puts in there will never be improved odds or any guarantee of getting the item. No matter how much you play or how much you spend the odds never ever change, that is gambling. If someone wants a specific item the only option is gambling, there is no other option available. This is not about grinding it is about gambling.

Gambling with time, or gambling with money. I'll choose the time method.