Is Hillary smack-talk not allowed here anymore?

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Durden77

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First off, let's get one thing straight. Donald Trump is the most disgusting Presidential canidate and just generally one of the worst human beings I have ever seen. I agree with absolutely nothing about him, and I will be voting for Hillary in November.

However, maybe it's because Trump has gone so far off the deep end, but it seems like any bad-talk about Hillary around here anymore is immediately brutally swarmed and stomped into oblivion. To the point to where it's almost like the person that said something bad about her is supporting Trump automatically.

I agree with a lot of what Hillary is preaching, but at the same time, I'm not going to sit here and lie and say I love her. I don't. There are things about her I simply don't like.

I grew up in a Republican household, and while I consider myself I guess a Democrat at this point (I really just vote for who I want, and that happens to be Democrats since I've been able to vote), that craving for a canidate "you can go grab a beer with" still resides with me to a certain extent, and that might have been from my raising.

I felt that with Obama. I don't feel that with Hillary. I generally don't really care for her charisma, although she does surprise me sometimes. I don't like the way she answers certain questions. And I think everything involving her emails was just really fucking stupid, no matter how played out it is, and I don't like her answers to the concerns people have with them either.

But I also do agree with her general point of view, and look forward to seeing her do work in the White House. I think once she's in there and actually gets down to it, my feelings for her, one way or the other, will be more clear.

However, if feelings like this are ever expressed around here about her at this point, posters will jump down your throat quicker than you can even say "but...". I've seen some legitimately brutal things. People that have said moderately aggressive things about her, and immediately getting a page full of replies of people saying "Hillary is a better person than you'll ever be" pretty much.

That's what makes this country great. These people running to run OUR country SHOULD be picked apart and inspected. Just because Hillary is obviously far, far superior than Drumpf could ever hope to be, she still has problems to certain people, and those people shouldn't be attacked for expressing that. Even if her political prowess is outstanding and may overide nearly every issue you could possibly have with her, it may not for some, like me. I'm no political expert by any means, and that may be the reason why I feel this way about her. But I'm voting, and my opinions on here matter just as much. As do anyone else that is voting and may have issues with her.

Hell, to be honest, if there are legitimate Trump supporters here, I wouldn't even mind seeing them from time to time just so I can pick their brain. No matter how much you may disagree with them (and boy, do I fucking disagree), that's what drives this country. Too bad Trump's so far gone though and has brought his supporters further and further along with him that I imagine most Trump supporters would be saying shit that would get them banned.

Jesus what a shitshow this election has been.


EDIT : I don't literally mean that like mods don't allow this or anything, didn't mean to confuse anyone or try to attack any mods. I meant the general atmosphere here implies this to me.


You can criticize Hillary all you want after the election. The main and only end goal right now is to make people vote for her.

It's as simple as that.

And I think this is where a lot of this comes from.

To a certain extent, I totally agree. Trump cannot win. Period. I've even been on my girlfriend's case lately about voting because she's no planning to, telling her that every single vote matters when it comes to beating Trump (although maybe not as much after these most recent polls, lawl).

But at the same time, I feel like this mindset has really shut down a lot of standard discussion about the candidates themselves. It pretty much just comes down to "Trump is a fucking monster so vote for Hillary". The more that mindset has become stronger and stronger, the more resistant people have become to any sort of criticism towards her whatsoever. Whether it's something personal or legitimate.

Once again, damn this election is a shit show. It's pretty much made us forget what an election should be about, and has made it more of a battle of good vs. evil in many people's eyes. Even mine to a certain extent. But the "good" should never be above criticism.
 

platocplx

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No candidate is ever really perfect. Obama was really a special snowflake, also i think since he wasnt deep deep into the poltical game i think that also made him more likeable too.

Its okay to not like her in certain aspects personality wise, but as long as she is experienced enough you could just treat her as that coworker you respect and trust at work but dont wanna hang out with after work lol.
 
I think elections can bring a kind of "yay rah rah" team-ism that is both important and discouraging, but we should never feel threatened to criticize our leaders.
 

jb1234

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Yeah, I agree with you. I don't like either candidate but I consider Trump the far worse option so I'm begrudgingly voting for Hillary even though I don't find her particularly inspiring.
 

Arkeband

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There are a few Trump supporters on GAF but they make no sense and are mostly just saying they support him for attention.
 
I feel like it's fine but might as well wait until after the election if she's the president. There's no point now when it's clear that this country needs Trump to lose.
 

rjinaz

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Never seen anybody banned for criticizing Hillary Clinton. Usually what gets them is eventually they say something very Trumpish.

Also, unlike the Trump supporters, Hillary supporters WILL engage people in a thread regardless if it's a negative or positive Hillary thread. So that means that if you are going to talk shit about her, better bring a good defense.
 

commedieu

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Shit talking Hillary is fine. Posting bullshit from bribart and other nonsense is what gets stans into trouble because they don't know what to do besides double down on baseless bullshit that result in a ban.


Fuck Hillary. Wish bernie won but he didn't. So she's best for the nation and the supreme Court in the face of, a literal party of hate.


People don't bring any significant guns to criticizing Hillary besides emotion. They want to have a conversation as if they have ammo, but they dont.

Happens in all threads.
 

HvySky

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It's hard to openly support Donald Trump here when his platform is basically nothing but racism and bigotry. Turns out that stuff isn't super appreciated around here.

That said, there's plenty of people around here that are down on Hillary.
 
The reason is twofold:

1. Hillary criticism gets lost among the waves of Trump criticism because he says and does many more worse things

2. Many Hillary criticisms tend to be untrue or embellished, often due to right-wing websites spinning the information.
 

Crossing Eden

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Hell, to be honest, if there are legitimate Trump supporters here, I wouldn't even mind seeing them from time to time just so I can pick their brain.
There's nothing to pick apart, Trump is the highest form of idiot, and by god supporting him in anyway shape or form says quite a bit about the person, because even the majority of caucasian people would get screwed over by his literally non-existent policies. Definite smack talk OP.
 

Dirca

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No, I smack talk her all the time. I can't stand the Clintons and refuse to vote for her. Doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter though. Not with her or him.
 

BokehKing

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There are active mods here with Hillary avatars, I wouldn't go too crazy with Hillary smack talk. (Who knows, maybe it's just some in joke I don't get, I still wouldn't talk smack about her though) Just try to disagree with some respect.

It's a crap election, I don't want her in office but need her in office because...well....the son of Satan is running for Republicans.

If there are unbanned trump supporters here, they are distancing themselves from Trump, that dude has been going off the deep end more and more everyday. No one wants to die during a nuclear winter

Vote Hillary.
 
I don't think rational criticism of Hillary is a problem here or anywhere else. I just think in this particular campaign, criticism of her seems silly or moot considering the alternative. Speaking for myself: one of them is going to win, Clinton or Trump. That being the case, I'd prefer to criticize her presidency, not her candidacy.
 

RedAssedApe

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There are active mods here with Hillary avatars, I wouldn't go too crazy with Hillary smack talk. (Who knows, maybe it's just some in joke I don't get, I still wouldn't talk smack about her though) Just try to disagree with some respect.

It's a crap election, I don't want her in office but need her in office because...well....the son of Satan is running for Republicans.

If there are unbanned trump supporters here, they are distancing themselves from Trump, that dude has been going off the deep end more and more everyday. No one wants to die during a nuclear winter

Vote Hillary.

who besides Y2Kev? lol
 

Rich!

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Don't see why it wouldn't be allowed. Hell, this is still the funniest cut-away in all of South Park imo just for how random it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6olFtIx054

But even so, it's besides the point. No point smack talking the best candidate, really (not that it's difficult to be better than trump - I personally wouldn't want to vote for either).
 

johnsmith

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I grew up in a Republican household, and while I consider myself I guess a Democrat at this point (I really just vote for who I want, and that happens to be Democrats since I've been able to vote), that craving for a canidate "you can go grab a beer with" still resides with me to a certain extent, and that might have been from my raising.


Hillary Clinton is a known booze hound who drank McCain under the table. Donald Trump doesnt drink.

Checkmate Hillary

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BriGuy

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I would knock Hillary over and fart on her head to vote for Joe Biden if he was running, but alas. Voting for her over Trump is still one of the easiest decisions I'll ever make.
 

Stumpokapow

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The OP is very long and yet contains neither smack talk nor policy criticism, just a sense she isn't likeable. *shrug*

Edit: and in 30 replies no one offered either criticism or smack talk of Hillary
 

Pandaman

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Off topic has the same problems as gaming; an infestation of poorly informed bandwagoners whose primary contribution is to act incredulous, offended or reply with a meme picture.
 
Shit talking Hillary is fine. Posting bullshit from bribart and other nonsense is what gets stans into trouble because they don't know what to do besides double down on baseless bullshit that result in a ban.


Fuck Hillary. Wish bernie won but he didn't. So she's best for the nation and the supreme Court in the face of, a literal party of hate.


People don't bring any significant guns to criticizing Hillary besides emotion. They want to have a conversation as if they have ammo, but they dont.

Happens in all threads.

Breitbart is to the right wing what the New York Times, the WaPo and the Guardian are to the left-wing.
 

Eidan

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People talk shit about Clinton all the time here. Hell, I'm pretty sure "I don't love her" is a prerequisite for every sentence about her.

That said, I find your complaints about her to be overall fairly shallow.
 

jay

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My impression is that people are so concerned about Trump they do not tolerate dissent on Hillary. She is better so maybe we can discuss her problems after she wins kind of attitude.
 

BokehKing

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who besides Y2Kev? lol
That's why I said it might be an in joke, maybe a mod busting Kev's balls, saw a mod with an upside down Hillary avatar during the DNC.
My impression is that people are so concerned about Trump they no longer allow dissent on Hillary. She is better so maybe we can discuss her problems after she wins kind of attitude.
Yeah we will have plenty of time to criticize her after she becomes president
 
LOCK HIM UP! LOCK HIM UP!

:p

But, ya, of course she should get called out when she deserves it. I adore her (have now volunteered, voted and donated more to her than I ever did to Obama since I was part of her 2008 primary campaign) but she messes up, and when she does, she should be rightly criticized for that.

For example, her absolutely asinine comments about HIV and Nancy Reagan. Absolutely she got called out for that, she corrected, apologized and learned from it.

Now, baseless attacks are kinda not cool....
 

GYODX

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It's allowed insofar as it won't get you banned, but yeah, some of her more rabid supporters will definitely jump down your throat if you suggest she's anything less than a fucking saint.
 

rjinaz

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There are a few Trump supporters on GAF but they make no sense and are mostly just saying they support him for attention.

I don't know I mean, yeah there are some obviously and I won't name names, but, the Trump supporters have been very quiet this last week. If they were about the attention they'd be defending Trump, but, they aren't because they know there really isn't a defense.

I guess my point is, they are true Trump fans and not just having a go with people.

The problem OP isn't so much about being a Republican in this case. If the candidate was Romney, yeah, they would get shit but not like this. To openly say you support Trump at this point says a lot about your character that you are fine with the stances he takes and THAT is what eventually leads to problems around here.
 
I have smack-talked Hillary and not banned for that. Mainly because my accusations are true, but I digress. I will tone it down for now tho, because Trump is a more immediate concern, but will resume trash-talking her every single day once she wins the presidency.
 

Eidan

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Breitbart is to the right wing what the New York Times, the WaPo and the Guardian are to the left-wing.

What? No. Even if I decided to label NY Times and WaPo as left wing, Breitbart isn't even remotely on their level. Wall Street Journal is the right-wing NY Times/WaPo.

Breitbart is a right-wing Buzzfeed.
 

PSqueak

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Hillary smack talk gets you branded as a supporter of whatever the enemy is currently (trump now i guess, previously Bernie) and dog piled regardless if you're just truly trolling or you're presenting legit criticism.

But it's something that happens in any forum for any subject when there is a high concentration of supporters of certain anything.

And before people brand me a Hillary hater for pointing out the bias, im just telling what i, as a foreign user in GAF, have observed while reading threads on OT, i have no horse on this race, but given my country of origin, im all aboard the hillary train for president of the USA.
 
I feel the reason why people get piled on when criticizing Hillary is that most of the time their criticisms are baseless. They usually spout non-sense they read from a meme once. Whenever someone says "Hillary is corrupt and a LIAR!" they usually have no facts to back those claims up. They only have "feelings".
 
It's a mix of:

A) People couching it as "Both candidates are the same", when they are light years apart. Legitimate Trump points combated with bizarre tinfoil conspiracy theory Clinton points.
B) People terrified that trump may win, and thus not wanting anything negative to come up about Clinton.

I suspect if Hillary wins no one will care nearly as much about the tinfoil clinton attacks, because nothing will be riding on it anymore. But right now, the judicial landscape of America for a generation is at stake.
 
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