Yes, we actually had that thread. People thought Nolan was doing the Inception ending again.
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[SPOILER THREAD] Suicide Squad
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Yes, we actually had that thread. People thought Nolan was doing the Inception ending again.
Probably somebody asked this question already, but is there any good reason in recruiting Harley Quinn, Slipknot and Captain Boomerang? Outside of "well duh it's a suicide squad movie".
Joker's deranged girlfriend (with the Joker himself still on the loose), guy who can climb anything and guy who's really good at throwing boomerang doesn't sound like a good investment.
Joker's deranged girlfriend (with the Joker himself still on the loose), guy who can climb anything and guy who's really good at throwing boomerang doesn't sound like a good investment.
It was that or Catman.
Well, they needed people for the incredible suicide mission of getting to a building and killing a bunch of mindless zombies who don't have any weapons and die very easily. Nobody else could have done it than drunk boomberang guy who sometimes punches a guy.
How about Rollerball(2002)?
Clearly they needed the services of an actual crazy person, a man that climbs good, and a tipsy Aussie. Waller is so smart.
BronsonLee
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Paul Heyman is in it so..maybe?
What did he mean by this?
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In the John F. Ostrander Federal Building comic, Boomerang was as good as Deadshot but with a boomerang. Dont know why they skimped on that here.
Also, Slipknot was as good as Deadshot but with a rope. Dont know why they skimped on that here.
Also, part of the Suicide Squad appeal is the ruthlessness and mercilessness. Sure Harley aint that big an upgrade over a normal soldier, but a supervillian will do things a normal soldier would puke at.
Thats of course undermined here by the self-created Waller plot, and constant cadre of soldiers watching their every movie rather than Flag being their sole handler.
Well, less undermined, more fundamentally misunderstood to the point where I question if David Ayer actually read any of the source material
Have some of you guys ever read a Suicide Squad comic?
They've been sent to fight New Gods - the team is essentially canon fodder. If they die, good. If they succeed, they're sent on more missions until they die. The team is essentially Waller's means to send people to their death under the guise of combat.
She also knows no one with a brain is going to fall for her shit, so she hires stupid criminals.
It's not the comics though, I don't think the logic behind creating the squad works out in the movie.
Glass Shark
Banned
It's really interesting that people keep saying "Deadshot and Harley were the best part."
The reason you think that is because they are literally the only characters worth caring about in this movie. And even then, their characterization is poor and schizophrenic. But because we spent the most time on them in a movie where nothing gets any room to breathe, they have the illusion of being good.
The reason you think that is because they are literally the only characters worth caring about in this movie. And even then, their characterization is poor and schizophrenic. But because we spent the most time on them in a movie where nothing gets any room to breathe, they have the illusion of being good.
heliosRAzi
Banned
But in this movie, they're superfluous. The military could have done the job and pretty much did.
War Peaceman
You're a big guy.
It was but with writing like hers it is hard to envision anyone being able to convincingly pull off the role.
toastyToast
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Bad script and poor editing. The choice of when to phase in music was awful and it felt like Jai Courntey always got cut off from adding the punch lines to his jokes. Most of the time it didn't feel like people finished what they were saying. It was so odd.
I didn't like Joker but it could have been he was a victim of the script. Only ones who were serviceable were Smith and Robbie because 1. I feel like Will Smith said "I'm gonna ad lib what I remember from Hancock. I got this" and 2. it's pretty hard to fuck up Harley although they got close.
The Dr Strange trailer in IMAX 3D was the best part of my evening.
I didn't like Joker but it could have been he was a victim of the script. Only ones who were serviceable were Smith and Robbie because 1. I feel like Will Smith said "I'm gonna ad lib what I remember from Hancock. I got this" and 2. it's pretty hard to fuck up Harley although they got close.
The Dr Strange trailer in IMAX 3D was the best part of my evening.
SkylineRKR
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The movie is a train wreck, Will Smith mostly played himself and he's charismatic. So he stood out a bit for me, because the rest was utter shit.
Harley however was my fave. Sex appeal and I felt she genuinely enjoyed being here, unlike the rest. Plus she has good chemistry with Smith, which is probably because of Focus. Its mostly a land of the blind situation to me. Though I do have the hots for Margot, and I do think she delivers.
Saw it last night with the wife and we both thought it was alright. Like others have sad Deadshot and Harley were the best parts and all the other characters sucked. Especially Joker, I dont think it worked at all. He either needed more screen time or none at all, he barely needed to be in the movie.
I feel kinda bad for Leto after his interview but I didnt like his Joker that much.
I feel kinda bad for Leto after his interview but I didnt like his Joker that much.
Now this makes sense. Boomerang's biggest unique contribution was that super weird boomerang cam thingy which could've been done with any decent military equipment. I think it's a mistake to send the "world's worst superheroes" into the most generic mission ever.
I might be the only one liking Enchantress...well, the "wild" Enchantress. Her first transformation scene was dooooooooope.
Then she became a Power Rangers villain. Sigh.
BewareTheBatsie
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Loved this little bit.
ShadowKingpin
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Even though the story was inconsistent and the editing wasn't the greatest, I still had fun watching it. Could have been a lot better, but I lowered my expectations so that I wouldn't be 100% disappointed.
What did he mean by this?
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Its pretty easy to adapt Boomerang into Hawkeye with boomerangs, exploding boomerangs, boomerang trickshots, etc.
But no, he chucked them like bricks
But no, he chucked them like bricks
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Loved this little bit.
Yup, that was perfect.
heliosRAzi
Banned
I think he only threw a boomerang four times throughout the entire movie.
Flag even said "send in my military guys", and Waller was like "no", and they did anyways and they ended up being just as if not more effective surviving almost the whole mission, and even ended up being the ones that detonated the bomb.
cj_iwakura
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I agree, but the way the Double Toasted guy says it, the third act is so awful that it destroys the rest of the film by association.
I'd say at worst it makes a great film into a decent-good one.
SkylineRKR
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Problem is most of the Squad were normal human beings. Well, psychotic but no Supermen. Yet they fought against a superhuman entity. That doesn't work, just like Bats couldn't do much against Doomsday (he could survive against Supes with his Kryptonite, but Doomsday was more like Enchantress and bro). Those faceless jobbers could've been killed by the military as well. And that what everyone bar Diablo pretty much focused on.
Suicide Squad needed a more grounded mission. Like, The Joker being their common enemy.
But if I was Waller, I would call upon Wonder Woman and The Flash to deal with this.
peanutbutterlatte
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Loved this little bit.
Yeah, like this bit from BVS referencing Dark Knight Returns
Mighty Chin
Banned
I know right? He was clearly dreaming.
cj_iwakura
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I was a little put off by the depiction of Harleen. She seemed insane from the get go, I recall the comic version was more a normal person who was in way over her head.
BassForever
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And the first third is really boring and poorly edited
The middle act is the only fun part of the movie and it still has the editing, script, and pacing issues.
The 26% on rt is valid because while I think most would agree SS > BvS, BvS is more fascinating in how bad it is so I'd probably recommend someone see it to understand everything wrong with the DCCU over SS which is just bland fun mess.
SkylineRKR
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She seemed to be sane when she had The Joker as a patient. But he captivated her somehow, and she clearly fell in love. She let him loose, then he fucked up her brain with electroshock therapy.
What did he mean by this?
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I'm just glad the sequel is hilariously easy to fix. Get a better joke writer, pick a plot actually from the source material, isolate the Squad for more character moments and get a better action choreographer. Thats all very easy.
For sure drop Ayer
For sure drop Ayer
cj_iwakura
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I thought SS had more flaws than BvS, but SS' highs were higher. I enjoyed BvS, so I'm kind of baffled at what's 'wrong' with the DCCU apart from the hamfisted efforts at stringing JLU into it.
I think their worlds feel more grounded somehow, and more cohesive. Marvel's stories feel kind of disjointed, like they're all different worlds.
DC makes it all seem to mesh together well.
Since I don't watch the latest trailers, I was genuinely surprised that the Joker wasn't the enemy. Did the trailer ever gave that away? I thought this was about getting an insane group to pit against an even more insane dude. Whoever loses, Waller wins.
This is a bit unfair but I think Arrow's Waller was better. Then again, Arrow's waller had more time to develop her character.
SkylineRKR
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Marvel is light hearted. And very different in approach with each movie especially the latest ones. Deadpool, Winter Soldier, Guardians and Avengers are very different movies. One being R-rated, the other tapping into spy flick stuff and then the ensemble movie. And Guardians is more of a comedy.
Their writing is also much better. Cap is a boring character like Supes, so what Marvel does is him pairing up with Black Widow and Falcon. They make Cap better, as well. This was why I enjoyed Winter Soldier so much. DC can't really find that chemistry.
But hell, Marvel even makes unknown characters work. I love Guardians of the Galaxy, its one of the best Marvels I have seen. And I knew jack shit about them. Their movies simply flow better.
Their writing is also much better. Cap is a boring character like Supes, so what Marvel does is him pairing up with Black Widow and Falcon. They make Cap better, as well. This was why I enjoyed Winter Soldier so much. DC can't really find that chemistry.
But hell, Marvel even makes unknown characters work. I love Guardians of the Galaxy, its one of the best Marvels I have seen. And I knew jack shit about them. Their movies simply flow better.
cj_iwakura
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I wonder if Joker was originally the villain and they changed it to Enchantress to be more 'grandiose' or some junk.
BassForever
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You say they're grounded but this film added a literal magic character who was only defeated because she was an idiot by characters who had not business taking her on. I agree SS highs were higher but the luls were residentsleeper at best and "what the fuck is going on" at worst. When slipknot appeared in the film I looked over at my buddy and whispered "I guess they forgot to introduce this guy" despte the first 45 minutes of the film being focused on establishing the characters but only half of them in a way you could connect with them. Marvel's films may be "safer" but I always know whats going on (minus the vision quest in AoU with Thor) and the characters are established with motivations I can follow. Considering the other page has people arguing over if Boomerang leaving and coming back was a running gag or just shit editing I'd say dc's universe has massive issues with how its presenting these stories.
Constantine > Deadshot
heliosRAzi
Banned
The Suicide Squad was completely unnecessary for the plot. A more grounded, politically sensitive mission would have been better. But I guess Ayer and WB wanted Justice League except with bad guys. They really don't have a chance to be actual bad guys. Their whole point is that they are deniable weapons of terror.
One of the trailers made it seem like the Joker would have been the main villain. Turns out he's just as useless as the Suicide Squad.
cj_iwakura
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We can't say anything about Ayer because we don't know how much was changed with a gun to his head.
Future PhaZe
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If Leto was better it might have tipped this movie close to something like a 7 on comic book movie scale but it's a 5 or 6. Leto was offensive. He was fucking god awful and the worst actor in the film by a large margin.
Fucking Jai Courtney was better.
Fucking Jai Courtney was better.
ColonialHawk
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As far as DCCU movies go, its the best so far. Have the same opinions as most about Deadshot and Harley being the best parts. I liked Waller but thought she was too ruthless after straight murdering the team helping her (I prefer her portrayal in the DCAU where she at least cares about the people working for her.) My friends and I agreed thats its a 6/10, 7/10 movie that had lots issues but still enjoyable.
My friend then went on to give a 3/10 for getting everything wrong about certain characters, motivations, etc. and wondered if they even read any of the comics or source material. Hope theres a Director's cut or something.
My friend then went on to give a 3/10 for getting everything wrong about certain characters, motivations, etc. and wondered if they even read any of the comics or source material. Hope theres a Director's cut or something.
exmachina64
Banned
Yep, Task Force X is some bureaucrat's response to "What are we doing about high-level metahuman and non-human entity threats?"
EscoBlades
Ubisoft Marketing
Steady on there.
Prophet Steve
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So get a good writer, director, plot and action choreographer and base it on the source material it was already based on and you are done!
Easy as cake, the casting is already taken care of!
Suicide Squad also works in a meta sense as WB executives panicking after BvS and asking what else they got. So they pick a property which can be a patsy to take the heat off of BvS to show things can get worse.
26% doesn't mean it scored 2.6 out of 10 on average. It means 26% of the reviews were positive.
What did he mean by this?
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Nope, theres more than enough here to say drop Ayer. Most of what he thought was cool, isnt cool!
Uh huh, you got it! Except the casting isnt done! The Squad needs to swap half its members out
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