No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread
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Blackleg-sanji1
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So is this the official review thread? Gonna be hard to find the reviews by the time they actually start coming
I think consumers should be told that the base game on the disc they're buying is fundamentally different than what they'll play w/ patch when that's the case.
After all, reviews are meant for consumers like you said. So they should be aware of the thing they're buying as is.
The nuance though, on the reviewer's side, is that he should continue his review once the game IS patched, or else this is just unethical to me.
IcyRhythms
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This is too nice. 58%-69%
autoduelist
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If we focus on 'whats on the disk' and not 'whats in the patch', we're missing the point. 99.99% of people will play with the patch, and so it should be taken into account. As long as the day 1 patch is day 1, that's all that matters.
Even a game getting a day 100 patch should be taken into account if possible. There's no reason for someone deciding to get the game a year after release to be concerned about long gone bugs mentioned in reviews.
We live in a digital world at this point. Sure, there is a downside to patches. But there is also an upside. At the end of the day, in almost all cases, we play the patched version and that's all that effectively matters.
Sure, back in the day we got 'finished games'. Absolutely. There was no going back and patching a cart. Agreed. But there were still deadlines, and those deadlines still meant some things went unfinished or unfixed, or entire systems in games got dropped for time. Patches help fix that. And sure, now some rely too much on patches, but that's part of the tech deadline culture where marketing and accounting decide deadlines, not techs. Be glad they can keep working past release nowadays.
Even a game getting a day 100 patch should be taken into account if possible. There's no reason for someone deciding to get the game a year after release to be concerned about long gone bugs mentioned in reviews.
We live in a digital world at this point. Sure, there is a downside to patches. But there is also an upside. At the end of the day, in almost all cases, we play the patched version and that's all that effectively matters.
Sure, back in the day we got 'finished games'. Absolutely. There was no going back and patching a cart. Agreed. But there were still deadlines, and those deadlines still meant some things went unfinished or unfixed, or entire systems in games got dropped for time. Patches help fix that. And sure, now some rely too much on patches, but that's part of the tech deadline culture where marketing and accounting decide deadlines, not techs. Be glad they can keep working past release nowadays.
Seeing that the game got 8/10 in a pre-damage control state, one can only assume that the reviewers that will include all the damage controlled fixes might be impressed enough to pull this game slightly over 75, and that you might continue lurking for a much longer time, not necessarily by choice.
No fucking way. Gaf would melt down.
Let's please not bring up mcc...my poor heart can't take it
DeepEnigma
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You miss the entire point of my argument. It changes nothing.
So is Halo 5 early access without the patch? I mean, some are saying NMS is, and all.
Yes, sadly.
My apologies... I feel your pain.
Icyflamez96
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I don't disagree.
Banjo-Kazooie
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I seem to remember Tony Hawk getting blasted for it
PodcastFips
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I will be adding them to the OP.
legacyzero
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Any review done before Wednesday is rushed as fuck, or without the day one patch.
Untrustworthy and bait for clicks IMO
Untrustworthy and bait for clicks IMO
Blackleg-sanji1
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Vincent Grayson
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Tony Hawk got blasted for being hot garbage. Nothing anyone did before or after release could save it.
Banjo-Kazooie
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It still got blasted for having like a 10gb day one patch that pretty much added the whole game though is my point
As long as people reviewing it now return to it on day 1 patch and ammend their review then I don't think it's a huge issue really
GHG
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I rate this post 43.575%-51.238%.
Banjo-Kazooie
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That's kind of my thinking. What's the limit for a decent review of the game? After patch 3? 4? 7?
I mean, is the fifth patch coming out on release day?
Because it's the patch people will get when they buy the game on release date.
Gamezone
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The disc came out before the release date.
Ricerocket
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There is a difference when a patch is meant for launch/release day and those other patches you say as #3/4 which comes months later...
Blackleg-sanji1
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They won't tho. But all in all not a problem I see no reason to be upset here some reviewers will wait some won't. In my eyes 8/10 no patch is damn good(unless the patch breaks the game or something than I'd be mad, so that's more of the reason why I think people should waitIt still got blasted for having like a 10gb day one patch that pretty much added the whole game though is my point
As long as people reviewing it now return to it on day 1 patch and ammend their review then I don't think it's a huge issue really
Because it's a "day 0" patch, and releases before the game actually technically releases. If you're playing the digital version, you'll be playing this one automatically.
Ravensmash
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Because it is the Day 1 patch.
Something that's become pretty standard in the industry, given how it's so online focused now.
GeordieMark
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I'm looking forward to receiving my copy to see for myself how good or otherwise this is, but I'm pretty certain it will divide opinion by its very nature.
I'm fine with outlets reviewing without the day one patch as long as they acknowledge it. For some people who don't have their consoles hooked up to the internet the game that shipped on disc is the final version.
I'm fine with outlets reviewing without the day one patch as long as they acknowledge it. For some people who don't have their consoles hooked up to the internet the game that shipped on disc is the final version.
I agree, why should they get special treatment?
They haven't done it for most games, why should they adjust for this one?
Not really...there was the inevitable leaks but the disc was definitely not out there for everyone.
Gamezone
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But they are giving this game a AAA treatment,and the price reflects that.
Come on now. Don't be daft to the fact games today are now often developed past the point of going gold. They fit in another month of crunch and it results in a significant day 1 patch. It matters.
DeepEnigma
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Which means the game has not launched yet, no matter how you are trying to frame your argument.
And the patch will guess what? Be out before the 'release date'.
The first patch comes out before the game does, and thus will be indicative of the game the vast majority of people will play on release.
That being said, if reviews update for games that undergo many updates, that's even better.
Not talking about the price. Talking about reviews for Unpatched games, broken street dates, save file shenanigans, etc.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Alright scenario game gets reviewed, 8's,9's and even some 10's. Day one patch comes Nd consumers are playing the game and it's fucked and not the same game reviewers played. Is the tone still the same for some of you
Patch is only 800 mb so just suck it up and download it.
Source:
https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/762341672265080836
Source:
https://twitter.com/NoMansSky/status/762341672265080836
Holy shit that's a huge patch. I am genuinely surprised, the game is less than 5gb now.
LookAtMeGo
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You know what would fix this problem?
An all digital future!!
An all digital future!!
1. The micro mechanics ARE fun, and are about to get better and better. This is the tip of the iceberg.
2. This isn't your average procedurally generated universe.
3. Loads of people without sky-high expectations are having loads of fun with the game.
4. That is complete bullshit about the pre-order bonus. It takes you 4-10 hours to get "established" in the game's universe and the pre-order bonus cuts out about 40 minutes of that.
Source: I'm playing the game right now
That's my feeling at the moment.
This is nonsense. It's nothing but an excuse - "We wanted to be the first out with a review, for the clicks, but we kind of know the game isn't ready for review.. so here's some odd excuse".
It's not at all an unreasonable expectation that the vast majority of people will be playing this game with the day one patch. Internet penetration in the primary markets for this game is above 80% in most cases - to say there's something wrong with how the game is being made just because the developres make the reasonable assumption that the vast majority of their audience will have an internet connection - is stupid.
So indies can't be allowed to make a large scale game and release it physical now?
Also, you already know if this was digital only people would start "where's my physical version?"
It already happens with smaller indie games.
Gamezone
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I agree that early access titles shouldn't be reviewed the same way as final releases. The disc version is 1.0, right? No early access, alpha, beta or whatever. It's fine for early adopters to review it as a final product in my opinion. This issue is something Hello Games and Sony just have to deal with. If they delayed the game a few weeks, this wouldn't be an issue, but they would probably have added another day one patch no matter how much they delayed it.
Gunslinger
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Mid 70s metacritic my guess.
Man people sound like they are willing to die on the cross for this game. Everyone is gonna have a different experience with the game. A majority might not like the exploration factor too much without stuff to do in the game and that happens (played Elite Dangerous and it had a similar issue), but "don't act like everyone's wrong and I'm right this game is the best"
I've been kind of noticing that a lot of these really hyped games, people won't allow any kind of criticism of a game. Let them split post/pre patch, they should've known that reviewers would try to sneak early copies.
I've been kind of noticing that a lot of these really hyped games, people won't allow any kind of criticism of a game. Let them split post/pre patch, they should've known that reviewers would try to sneak early copies.
The vast majority of reviewers will cover the game post patch. Whats wrong with a few, like this one, covering the og version and stating that plainly?
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