Zombie James
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Should Doom have been a digital-only release? Uncharted 4? The Division? There are countless others.
No Man's Sky - Early Impressions/Reviews-in-progress Thread
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Should Doom have been a digital-only release? Uncharted 4? The Division? There are countless others.
StereoVsn
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Uncharted 4 and Doom were both playable alright in SP sans the Day 1 patch. MP is a different animal but would assume you have a good internet connection when you play MP games and from point of game preservation MP is mostly immaterial (unless they allow private servers).
so is no man's sky
You're right, they shouldn't have had a retail release. It would have saved us all this ridiculous complaining.
DeepEnigma
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You have access to this same forum. I am not going to do the work for you. But hey, if you are excited to laugh at nerds, like a big fucking nerd, then all the power to you bruh, lol.
Hint: We are all nerds/geeks/what have you.
SMH
How is it different?
People are playing it, right now, and enjoying it just fine.
Man, these mental gymnastics, lol.
lol
It's a damned good review for a pre-patched game.
You do realize that No Man's Sky is perfectly playable without this patch, correct?
StereoVsn
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From the review, impressions and patch list I would say no. Patch 1 adds/changes fundamental things about the game.
uomoartificiale
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Too much stock on this day 1 patch. For someone it's like the second coming of Christ. Reviewers should check it out for sure but people should chill.
The entire argument is completely idiotic. What if the person reading this review online doesn't have internet for their console, and can't tether their phone to their console because the update might be a significant part of their data cap - to them a pre patch online review is useful.
How are people spending so much time on an argument that is relevant to such a niche case?
RedAssedApe
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Food analogy heh
CecilRousso
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Well, an 8/10 sounds like a descent state, doesn't it?
And it's not really wrong that they continue to improve it. The initial release of any game, will always always always be a compromise. That's just how development works. And based on this thread, it seems like they would have drawn less backlash by either not doing the improvements, or delay them instead of delivering it as soon as possible.
As for not having a retail release, I agree. But I don't think that's a descision only up to Hello Games.
Look, the original point was that a poster said they had a phone but didn't have internet for their PS4. All I was arguing, somewhat cheekfully, was that you could use your phone to connect your PS4 to the internet if you wanted. It's even more realistic in this case, as opposed to many other popular games, since the patch is relatively small. We're not talking multiple gigs here. I do realize that many people have 2 gig plans, I never meant that everyone should be downloading their patches using it. Just that it was technically possible.
The real alternative would be that they delay the game, make this patch, then sit on their hands for the four weeks it probably takes to print. Which is completely inefficient, not to mention a delay would upset every customer, whereas a day 1 patch will only upset luddites who worry about their inability to play "the complete" game in some distance future when the world looks like this:
If I ran the studio I would consider that a very easy choice to make. The reality is that the amount of people who have a PS4 and no internet access on it whatsoever are a virtually insignificant minority, as dickish as that sounds.
The Wheel of Fortune
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We still don't know what the day-one patch adds, right?
Necro900
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Reviewers are not required to publish reviews on day one of a release. Period.
If they're concerned about quality and providing a good review for their userbase, they should take their time to publish the best and most honest review possible.
On the other hand, if they're concerned about clicks and revenue, they'll probably publish a review of a game that doesn't reflect what the vast majority of users will have in their hands on day 1.
fastford58
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I know nothing about it. I have avoided spoilers/patch notes like the plague
are you kidding me? the review gave the unpatched game an 8/10
From what says the patch its more like the pre patch game is the theatrical version of a movie and the post patch game is the director's cut extended edition of the same movie.
I mean did you read what's in the day 1 patch and what's coming? Sure we need to see it implemented but it's actually a lot of content and many people seem to be pleased, and the future looks great as well.
If the day one patch is 1.03 then we have patch notes. There's a thread.
We do, there is a thread for it.
pixellated_man
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orthodoxy1095
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Given your tone you seem to be alluding to the question of what reviews should be. In an ideal world, I'd like for reviews to be more substantial in terms of critique. But the reality of the gaming press is that the vast majority reviews, outside of some weird, esoteric sites like Kill Screen, are basic consumer guides.
Reviewers, claiming to act in the interest of consumers, should try to review the game under the context that the vast majority of people will play it. The vast majority of people will not play the game without a <1GB patch.
Sure, they transparently wrote a review that's fairly questionable, if not actually useless, for the vast majority of us. Congratulations.
They shouldn't feel pressured to play the game under the conditions that it will play at launch?
Huh. Well that kind of piss-poor thinking is why we have gotten outlets pushing out reviews of multiplayer games before launch date. And then we get to the game launch and servers buckle and the game turns out to be a steaming $60 turd.
Oh come on, these authors aren't some kind of historians or archivalists. Let's not oversell what they're doing.
Yes, we now have a preserved record of an experience that a vast majority of consumers will not have experienced.
Neat.
So the review says game is unplayable yet they give it an 8 without the patch?
SictorVullivan
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No, patch notes are both out and glorious. We have a thread for it
StereoVsn
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Full patch notes have been published.
Personally I am going to get this on Steam a month or two down the road after the dust settles.
CecilRousso
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Unplayable? No. It doesn't.
We know everything the patch adds.
"I am going to make a dubious claim then refuse to support it whatsoever." It's disingenuous to pretend that tons of people don't come into these topics for the entertainment value of seeing people hysterical over a game they haven't played getting scores higher/lower than is just.
Holy shit I keep forgetting this is coming to PC. Think I'll do the same.
It's almost as if the update includes massive changes to the core of the game.
StereoVsn
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Reading the particular review, impressions and path notes I would guess that his wouldn't have been an 8/10 game for me before Day 1 patch. That said I haven't played the game and my or the reviewers opinions are all subjective.
Ascenion
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Completely agree. I dunno if all of you read the patch notes but they basically say to delete your save and restart the game and call it a day zero update. All of this says the patch should've been on the disc.
DeepEnigma
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You can go into the huge NMS thread and see for yourself. Hell, you can see this thread for yourself.
The only meltdowns are people acting like a Day 1 patch is a new invention.
Even you are trying to spin, spin, spin away, lol.
Every single time there is some download related topic, there are hordes of people moving, going to college that exact day, fumigating houses, submarining below the Arctic cap...
And others so dirt poor that they cannot afford the internet, foregoing three meals a day in order to buy a $60 game day one.
And 800MB? Syrian refugees have a good enough mobile plan to be able to use that much data once.
StereoVsn
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Eh, yeah, I expect significantly better visuals and performance from PC version from the resolution to pop-ins to frame rate. PS4 vs PC isn't even a question with this game for me.
I disagree with him too. If they can get you the full game by launch day, that is what should count. Cause launch day is the day they promised they would have the game ready. And being able to download a patch is good enough imho. I would much prefer that than wait for potentially (depending on when they finished this patch) another 2 months for the game.
It's really not fair to judge it on a pre launch condition when it's known there is a pretty big patch for launch (and if you read the notes it does sound like the patch is big enough that it would matter in a review). People can bitch and whine all they want that back in the old days what was on the disc was the full game complete with less bugs but those days are gone and developers have moved on to a different way of doing things with what they have available now. And hell, I prefer it cause if people find a really bad bug, it can be fixed (and bad bugs can escape even lots of bug testing). Unlike being stuck with it like back in those days. And no I'm not some young 'un, I have been playing video games since Atari was popular
. I honestly think people get way too stuck in their nostalgia goggles sometimes (and I can be pretty unchanging myself on things). Plus it means they can put the game out a little sooner knowing that they can do any small changes that still need to be done while printing/making the physical copy be ready is happening.It's a neat novelty to review purely the content that's on the disc, and one that may hold more significance to those who don't have or have very slow internet. But I don't know if the point is as significant as they're making it out to be. I would have to assume the overwhelming majority of people who play this game starting on launch day (and thereafter) will do so after the patch is installed. That is the experience the majority of gamers playing this will receive. And to me, it's much more meaningful to see reviews and impressions based on that.
I also think the analogy is just that, silly. Comparing food to constantly evolving software that can be updated constantly through the Internet is just a strange and forced comparison.
uomoartificiale
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I read it, it's a ton of improvements IF the game is already good. It doesn't make the game a 10 if it was reviewed as a 7.
I want this game to be good, but this to me sounds like another excuse to pile on the reviewers and declare it goat before it's even released. It's bioshock infinite all over again.
yet you still make the argument that the unpatched game on disc is not in a "decent state" cool
Kremzeek
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Shame on them for feeling the need to find a retailer willing to break the release date.
Their argument for this is super weak.
Did you know that 99.8% of filthy poors have a refrigerator?
Woah, that's quite a lot.http://www.no-mans-sky.com/2016/08/update-1-03/ Except it does
Blackleg-sanji1
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It's ridiculous this place sometimes man..it's too much1 review. 10 pages in this thread already.
StereoVsn
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I had a few friends who deployed to Iraq/Afghaniston/Navy and they did hate patches and shit with a passion. We used to physically mail then USB disks with patches (PC).
strap yourself in buddy. this week is gonna be fun1 review. 10 pages in this thread already.
DeepEnigma
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