It's a complete experience. You can beat the game, you can play it forever as it is. What's a complete experience to you? No bugs? Impossible.
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It's a complete experience. You can beat the game, you can play it forever as it is. What's a complete experience to you? No bugs? Impossible.
Gamezone
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Wasn't UC4 and Halo MCC single player completely playable without these patches? The patches sorted out a bunch of bugs. They didn't change the gameplay or add a bunch of features.
NoctisVsStar
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Daffy Duck
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I agree totally.
Yeah it's gone gold, but we printed an unfinished version that needs a patch to change everything.
DeepEnigma
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But it was not, 'a complete game' then by your argument. Move them goalposts.
And this game, can be played, without the patch to boot. Wowzah!
Blackleg-sanji1
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Told ya lol.
Yeah I've got HOTAS too.
Honestly Elite even NOW has less "to do" than pre-patch NMS imo. NMS is literally like "do this, go here, try this thing, explore a little, do this, prepare this" etc for hours and hours, and the quest system and lore/mystery is far more compelling immediately.
Necro900
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I think it's called having to meet the release date. They could've:
a) Met the august release date by printing the discs in july and patching the game on release day right after patch approval or
b) delay the game to september, get the patch approval around august and start printing discs.
I think the former is way more preferable, especially when it's a hugely hyped game such as NMS. It's a way of respecting fans who've been waiting for the game for so long.
Moreover, nothing prevents them from updating the build they print on discs right after monday, they probably just needed to get the launch copies in stores to honour the august release date.
People are making a fuss over a patch that probably won't even be that big, considering how the game is programmed. I wouldn't be surprised if it was below 200MB (but then again, it depends whether they've added assets or not).
They've been glorious the last month or two.
CecilRousso
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This game is going to be incomplete after the day 1 patch also. It's a game that is meant to evolve. Those who are uncomfortable with that, should just not buy it.
Or buy the GOG version on PC, make a box of their own (they're plenty of sites that uploads fantastic cover's for that purpose, and replace the disc themselves at regular intervals). And that's an honest serious suggestion.
It's actually very likely that you can connect your PS4 to the internet with your cell phone.
I'm completely fine with day 1 patches. I'm not fine with games still being unfinished, buggy, broken messed after that date. I appreciate the plight of people with limited Internet access, but the market has shifted so much it's unrealistic to consider pubs making then a priority for this.
It's 800MB.
OuterLimits
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Maybe they are away from home at a place that has WiFi like a restaurant or library? But yes, perhaps a person has agoraphobia and therefore is forever unable to get online since their house doesn't have it.
Games were always released incomplete. You just didn't know because you didn't had the internet.
But the game itself relies on servers in order to be a complete experience...
DeepEnigma
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Sad part is, the meltdowns are from those who are not interested in the game, or hoping it fails. Such an opposite effect than what we are used to. Like a shift of consciousness, lol.
Those who are interested, and excited to play or are playing, are all like this... ¯\_(ツ
_/¯Blackleg-sanji1
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Anybody with an slightly updated smartphone has hotspot so yes they can
Of course you can connect your PS4 online using your phone.
Daffy Duck
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But surely a full price retail game should be.
You don't expect to buy CoD (for example) at launch and then months/years later get the multiplayer.
That is like comparing apples to dinnerware.
Necro900
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Source? No mention on nms website.
But if that's the case, then it's not that big either, compared to industry standards nowadays.
Sad part is, the meltdowns are from those who are not interested in the game, or hoping it fails. Such an opposite effect than what we are used to. Like a shift of consciousness, lol.
Those who are interested, and excited to play or are playing, are all like this... ¯_(ツ
Provide proof of this please. Otherwise, it's tales from your ass. Where are the long lines of people with no interest in the game whatsoever furiously mashing out hot takes about the game's quality? And no, people excited to laugh at hysterical nerds melting down over review scores isn't hoping for the game to fail.
StereoVsn
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How many service shutdowns, DRM schemes, licensing messes and so on. Prevent games from being playable? There is a decent amount and it's going to get worse because of online reqs. It's not unreasonable question.
Ascenion
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You miss the entire point of my argument. It changes nothing.
So is Halo 5 early access without the patch? I mean, some are saying NMS is, and all.
No? Halo 5 really just couldn't fit the maps on disc as far as I know so MP had to be downloaded. Which in the grand scheme of things changes nothing. Without internet you couldn't have played MP anyway so you wouldn't need it. NMS is different. I believe the patch has things that should be on the disc. They seem to alter the experience of the game in major ways.
CecilRousso
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No, not for a game like this. The day 1 patch of this is just one of many. What you get with the full price retail version of this is the base version and access to updates.
Retail is not suited for a game like this. The retail version most likely only exists because people demand it anyway.
Sean's twitter.
Daffy Duck
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Why is it? Apply it to any full price retail game and people would be pissed and saying just wait for the GOTY/complete edition.
JensenBeeswax
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Man. I really hope this game will be good. Seems like such a relaxing title. Perfect for winding down. Hopefully.
Are you sure? I assumed tethering was pretty common nowadays. The 800MB download isn't too rough on your monthly data either.
Data plans would be burned out in seconds. Not to mention when you run a PS4 there are a ton of things using the Internet in the background as well making the connection even slower.
Its not realistic. Some people have to cut Internet but keep their phones. Some could be moving and hooking up internet just to move it again at another house is exhausting. Having to choose between your phone or home WiFi bill. Things in that nature come up all the time.
Zombie James
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Sad part is, the meltdowns are from those who are not interested in the game, or hoping it fails. Such an opposite effect than what we are used to. Like a shift of consciousness, lol.
Those who are interested, and excited to play or are playing, are all like this... ¯_(ツ
Some people are losing their minds over the "bullshit business practice" of fixing bugs, adding features, and improving performance. Says it all, really. It's nuts.
Point being the disc was an incomplete product. Actual advertised features were only delivered by the first really big patch.
I don't usually complain about it because it's so commonplace now to ship broken games and patch them later, but then usually it is just bugs or minor improvements. This one upsets me through a combination of being a game I've been really looking forward to for a long time, and being an example of an instance where the physical non updated product is actually not representative of the core 'day 1' experience. Faulty. Incomplete.
Huge Succeeded
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it's like these people haven't actually been gaming for the last ten fucking years lmao
The patch is 800 mb, hardly taxing for most plans.
Blackleg-sanji1
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This is just throwing in a bunch of what ifs to at this point. Point was yes you could use your phone
Because the core game is there, on the disc, at this very moment. The patch is just adding tweaks and bug fixes.
I would definitely argue with you that the core experience is there on the disc right now, from the streams I have seen.
In a way I'm hoping for it to be a spiritual successor to Journey. I haven't had a game wow me like that since playing it. They perfected in-game ambience with it. NMS should really hit home runs in that department.
StereoVsn
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Then they should not have a retail release. They could do LE with a PSN/Steam code. Since they wanted money from retail customers they should have the game in a somewhat decent state on release on disk. Mind you, they aren't the first, but it is annoying.
So your entire point of contention is that you're upset they are making a free, major content patch for a game that is unreleased, which somehow might (in some unlikely scenario) prevent you from playing it more than a decade from now? But at the same time you are OK with patches that DON'T add features and only fix bugs?
I can't even keep up with this. Seriously, perspective here. Buy the game, spend 10 minutes downloading the patch, play it. It's very easy. It's not going to stop working any time in the immediate future.
OuterLimits
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I'm hopeful the game eventually gets a Game of the Year, or a Complete edition version released on disc since its a game I would probably want to play years later. Obviously the limited online aspects won't be available years later but that doesn't matter much.
Ok, now the game isn't in a decent state on disc? What?
this is exactly the case with no mans sky
The game is playable and complete. Would it make you feel better if they waited 2 weeks or a month before dropping this patch?
What? That's almost half of a 2gig plan which I, and many others I would guess, have. And I'm bumping up against that cap monthly. If you're going to argue this point, at least try.
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