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Pokémon Sun & Moon | Info and speculation thread
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Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Yeah, figured it'd be fake due to not being Japanese.
Diprosalic
Banned
that school of fish was a weird guess to get right tho.
Yes, it's Fire/Ghost.
AH!! that is freaking awesome. yeah i need that.
SenorArdilla
Member
At this point, I'm assuming that all Alolan forms are going to be from Gen I.
The leak said it was an evolution, though. The real deal appears to be a form change.
I really want to know how the form change is triggered!
Velcro Fly
Member
Fire/Ghost Marowak is cool
Pure Dark Meowth also cool. Guessing Persian is also going to get a pure Dark form as well?
Pure Dark Meowth also cool. Guessing Persian is also going to get a pure Dark form as well?
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Joe posted a clearer look of Pikachu being devoured by Frank Sandcastle
holy shit RIPikachu
holy shit RIPikachu
SenorArdilla
Member
4chan user posted a list of names and typings. Hiro (someone who leaked stuff in the past) retweeted that list.
Vital Tundra
Member
If we are going back to 151 regional dex I'm hoping most of the older gen moms have type changes just to make that part of the Pokedex more interesting, and hope they keep doing that as they make more games. Just hoping it's not just gen 1. XY was enough of a nostalgia/pandering circle jerk.
Not75Drops
Member
It looks like there's going to be a Pokedex for each island. If it's similar to each of Kalos' dexes, then the whole Regional Dex would be around 600.
Dr. Black Jack
Member
Well yeah, it's the 20th anniversary for Gen 1. This sets up regional variants for each Gen on their anniversary years. Really cool way to celebrate that milestone.
It's the 20th anniversary of the series and we literally just got done 'celebrating' Gen 1, do we really need to celebrate it all over again?
no we don't
It's the 20th anniversary for Pokemon as a series, not just the original games. That aside, not only did it have Pokemon Go launch with the original 151, but they also re-released Red/Green/Blue/Yellow on Virtual Console and streamed Pokemon The First Movie online. We're good for the first generation fan service, it's time to give the other six generations that came afterwards a fair shake with the Alola forms.
Side-note: Why hasn't Game Freak released Gold/Silver/Crystal on the Virtual Console? I want to give you money to play that without worrying about battery issues, stop preventing me from doing that!
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They didn't need to do that when they revealed Megas, which gave less popular Pokemon like Mawile and Kangaskhan new forms in addition to some of the more popular Pokemon to come from the second through six generations without any confusion, not to mention that not all Gen I Pokemon are particularly popular. Or are you telling me that Exeggutor is somehow more recognizable than any of the later starters, Lucario, or various other widely recognized Gen II-VI Pokemon? They made it pretty clear in the original trailer, through both a comparison between the old and new forms' different aesthetics and the unique typing and ability they were given, that this was a variation of a previous Pokemon. Also, i'm pretty sure that the audience they're aiming for is children and not 20-something folks like myself who've been playing the games since they first got their hands on a GameBoy, children who've likely watched or at least heard of the anime that has focused on the most recent generation of creatures aside from Pikachu.
Don't forget Kanto 2.0 in X/Y. We've had enough Gen 1 pandering to last us another decade.
Here's the problem- you introduce an Alola form of say, a Gen IV pokemon - a good portion of the audience (who's not watching trailers and tuned in) will see it, and not realize it's a variant. They're going with well-known popular Pokemon (aka Gen 1) for the gimmick because the gimmick requires prior knowledge in order to work.
Diprosalic
Banned
Oh i'm not saying that parts are correct it's 100% made up i just think that it's a weird thing to guess.
this is like
literally the dumbest 'problem' i've heard of.
1) It's easy to put some kind of notifier in the Dex that they are a variant.
2) The gimmick works regardless because the gimmick is that they have adapted to new environments and gained types/abilities/stats.
The gimmick doesn't work nearly as well without the nostalgia element.
When they catch it and it says Roserade (Alolan) they'll realize it's a variant.
Don;t forget that for a lot of kids, Pokemon Sun/Moon will be their first time seeing a lot of Gen 1 Pokemon. It's entirely possible that they'll think Alolan Vulpix is a normal Vulpix until they catch it.
SenorArdilla
Member
I would love it if GF went back and changed typings for old Pokémon as well.
Fire/Fairy Ninetales would be great.
Fire/Fairy Ninetales would be great.
Correct. The goal is to minimize the number of people for whom this is the case.
I think that's happening, given the Ice/Fairy alternate form.
Yes it does????
Plus almost every Gen except VI is old enough to have nostalgic attachment? It's been half a decade since Gen V first dropped.
chaobreaker
Member
I gotta give props for that fake Pokémon list having believable English names.
I'd argue that there's enough interest to justify Gens II-VI getting Delta types, and nostalgia's pointedly a factor for Gen's II-IV. Besides, one of the leaks that called Delta Forms stated we'll see Pidoves that look more like doves than pigeons, so we're probably seeing a Gen V Delta either way.
Seriously, though. That faker should get credit, if not a job at Treehouse. Trust me, those names are getting some use in my Moon run.
Ask random casual players to name Gen V pokemon outside of the starters.
They're not going to be able to. How do I know this? I'm one of them.
Aaronrules380
Member
Random casual players include more people than just gen wunners
Ask a random person to name a gen 1 Pokemon outside of the starters and Pikachu and most won't be able to. You might get a Jigglypuff or Mewtwo because of Smash but that's it.
Gen 1's still the one with the greatest saturation, thus, the one you start with if doing this type of gimmick that keys off of Nostalgia.
So you admit you haven't even played Gen V, then? And therefore not only have no reason to know Gen V, but don't even care about Gens outside the first?
Regardless of these opinions, Gen VII is looking great. The least memorable design so far has been the fish, but it's school form more than makes up for it. It's like Dugtrio, but creative. And I love Dugtrio. Everything else is tops.
EDIT: Oh wait, this was still about Delta types? I mean, maybe it's like that from a Gewunner perspective, but the people that actually play the games'll still get hype to see alternate forms of Pangoro or Talonflame. And people that don't still have Gen 1 Deltas to fall back on, while, say, a Poison/Ice Delta Goodra is just something cool/new.
Aaronrules380
Member
You say this as if you have to just do one gen at a time
100%. I also didn't play Gen 4. Played Gen 1/2/3 and jumped back in with X/Y.
People skip generations. This is why they'll always be keying heavily off Gen 1 in one way or another during a generation.
Correct. It's that an Ice Vuplix excites a player a billion times more if they have the original as a reference.
If someone's never seen the Pokemon before, that moment is lost.
Xux
Member
I dunno; I doubt anyone's this shallow or proudly ignorant.
You keep calling this a gimmick when it's clearly meant to be a key component of the game and assuming that "nostalgia" and iconography is a justification for not experimenting with any of the later generations many Pokemon, which certainly wasn't the case for Megas since even less obscure Pokemon like Mawile got one or even with Gen IV giving new evolutions to Pokemon from Gen I-III like Electabuzz, Sneasel and Roselia. Just like how you didn't play Gen IV/V, not everyone started off with Gen I nor do they consider them to be such an iconic collection of critters. Like I said before: While the games can and are enjoyed by people of all ages, they are largely being aimed at kids and not adults, kids who are likely familiar with the anime that is focusing on the more recent creatures aside from Pikachu whose exposure to the earlier games is likely limited to the remakes of Gold & Silver/Ruby & Sapphire. Put simply, giving Alola forms to Pokemon isn't decided by a popularity contest.
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Deleted member 231381
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kirblar is kind of right, though. Gen 1 Pokemon have the double advantage of having had 20 years of exposure and having featured in the best-selling games in the series that really encapsulated Pokemon as a cultural phenomenon. If Gamefreak wants to test the waters on subspecies, it makes sense they'd do it primarily with 1st gen 'mons. It worked that way with Megas, too - well over a third of XY's Megas were Gen 1, despite Gen 1 being less than a fifth of all Pokemon. The non-Gen 1 Megas also fitted the pattern of being highly marketable Pokemon like Lucario and Blaziken. The more obscure Megas didn't emerge until ORAS when they were confident from XY there was leg room in the idea.
Note that kirblar isn't saying Gen 1 designs are better or anything. He's just pointing out they have way more cultural punching power than the average Pokemon from later generations. My mum could pick out Jigglypuff, Squirtle and Pikachu from a line-up and she has absolutely no interest in Pokemon. She sure as heck can't do Swirlix.
Note that kirblar isn't saying Gen 1 designs are better or anything. He's just pointing out they have way more cultural punching power than the average Pokemon from later generations. My mum could pick out Jigglypuff, Squirtle and Pikachu from a line-up and she has absolutely no interest in Pokemon. She sure as heck can't do Swirlix.
Pokemaniac
Member
Gem II has some extra stuff that probably isn't supported in the emulator yet. Infrared shouldn't be too bad, since that should map pretty easily to the 3DS's infrared transceiver. The online bits of Crystal could get complicated if they decide to support that.
Right, though at most it's a marketing thing for trailers and such. I'd be surprised and disappointed if it was just Gen 1 Pokemon that have this in the end.
Vital Tundra
Member
Wait, what? This was hinted at already???
Not75Drops
Member
I really don't know if Sun/Moon started as an anniversary game, or if it was just a lucky coincidence.
When the starters were revealed, there was a part in the Japanese footage which showed "Alola Pokdex" and "Melemele Pokedex", with the other three options currently inaccessible. Each of the three Kalos dexes had around 150 Pokemon each, so if the island dexes have a similar amount, that's what the number would be around.
When the starters were revealed, there was a part in the Japanese footage which showed "Alola Pokdex" and "Melemele Pokedex", with the other three options currently inaccessible. Each of the three Kalos dexes had around 150 Pokemon each, so if the island dexes have a similar amount, that's what the number would be around.
Boss Doggie
all my loli wolf companions are so moe
Toei and Bandai, and hell other comapnies, handled anniversary shit much better rather than pandering to the "first" and only the first.
Hell, Jojo's anniversary spread out the pandering (though obviously more on Golden Wind/Part 5)