Well it was definitely answered on Murray's Twitter two days ago ..
A polite discourse amongst friends on the importance of MP-elements in No Man's Sky
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Well it was definitely answered on Murray's Twitter two days ago ..
Blackleg-sanji1
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This I'll agree with. I'm disappointed about it but I'll let him speak on it first before I cast my final judgement as well. The defending and attacking relentlessly is just stupid to me
Absolutely. I don't care how warm and fuzzy Murray tries to come off as in interviews, he's a person selling a commercial product that costs a solid amount for many people. If he wasn't honest about the features of the product, he deserves all the criticism he gets.
Honestly I just wanted the knight to show how you're acting.
Calling folks GG was overtly aggressive. For no reason what so ever.
Its lame he didn't clear the air on this and he could have. And people bought the game possibly hoping for just 1 cool piece of interaction whether it be in a day or a year but now it seems that isn't possible.
buttery fistful
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i'm surprised but i'm not surprised
Heavy_D206
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The only Fantasy is someone thinking No Man's Sky was ever a MP game. From Day 1 they have focused on the single-player experience.
BackFromThePast
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Moon_frogger
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I'm seriously completely calm. I had no plans to buy this game. A friend asked me about it last week, asking if we should buy it based on the claims of multiplayer he'd read about. I told him about my fears regarding developer communication, fears that many of us gaffers have been trying to express literally forever only to be angrily jumped on by a certain *cough* subset of this forum. Man am I glad I stuck with my position and didn't get sucked into the hype vortex. I told my friend not to buy it and he just texted me to thank me for his advice. I don't see how you could take my posts as 'losing my shit'. Maybe but smugly self satisfactory for sure. Im sorry for posting in a forum I enjoy about a topic I'm keenly interested in but I assure you, I'm doing just fine, lol.
Blackleg-sanji1
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Are we reading the same thread. People act like they don't see two sides shouting at each other and hyperbolic posts. Always seems like whatever side someone is on is the one they can't see apparently
So if they're the defense force, are you then the witch hunter? The "defense force" is making claims based on how we know the game works. We know you start out farther out from the center so it would make sense that the places with the highest likelihood of meeting would be at the edge and the center.
You are simply making assumptions and insinuating dishonesty. Pretty bold claims with no evdence.
This is kind of a big deal for me.
While it may be true that the chances of seeing another player is slim, It makes it all the more exciting just thinking that there is a chance to encounter someone else.
I will probably still play the game, but this is disappointing to hear... T.T
While it may be true that the chances of seeing another player is slim, It makes it all the more exciting just thinking that there is a chance to encounter someone else.
I will probably still play the game, but this is disappointing to hear... T.T
old manatee
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"Come find me.."
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Pop
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Yeah it's called in game tracker. It tells you clear as day if you're connected to the online servers.
The cynic in me tells me that Sean's repeated claims of multiplayer functionality, followed by his "clarification" less than 24 hours before release that this is a single player game is a sign that the multiplayer functionality was probably being worked on and didn't make release.
I guess we shall see. I have a feeling this won't be the only time two players get a chance to meet up and test whether or not it works.
I guess we shall see. I have a feeling this won't be the only time two players get a chance to meet up and test whether or not it works.
Sorry but how does this make MP impossible?
Competitive MP, sure, but as far as seeing someone else in my game, or seeing them in mine it is irrelevant.
If I am the host and I pause my game, they will continue moving in their world and when I unpause it would presumably just update their character model in my world to its latest position. If they pause they would stop moving in my world. Where's the problem? (This is assuming weather/AI/time of day/etc are all non-syncrhonized between players, which is perfectly fine for the simplistic "oh hi there, you're on this planet too?" MP that was implied by the 2+ years of vague comments from the developers)
Time in this game has no meaning other than time of day. Who gives a shit if someone is in my game and it's noon for me, 4 AM for them?
SaiyanRaoh
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I've been in blackout over the game. NO MULTIPLAYER?! WTF?
SOLD!!!
Meaty Single player, here I come!
SOLD!!!
Meaty Single player, here I come!
I'm clearly connected to the internet but the game is constantly telling me I'm not connected.
The defense force is genuinely astounding and is almost certainly delusional in thinking that this situation has been anything but clear. Murray posting at the 11th hour after the game has shipped that it isn't multi isn't the smoking gun that solves everything, or everyone wouldn't be this confused or upset.
BackFromThePast
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Moon_frogger
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They literally said multiplayer was in the game and it isn't? Is there some phenomenon to describe posts like this? Some sort of acute, deeply seeted form of denial? I find it fascinating from a psychology standpoint?
I don't think anybody should care what he said two weeks ago if he definitively just set the record straight. Can you not understand that he recognized the message issue and rectified it by answering the question directly? What were they supposed to do, shoe horn it in to make it happen? What kind of fantasy world do you live in that fixing a mistake in messaging is frowned upon?
The sad part is that the messaging has been consistent. The only factor out of HG's control was how wildly people would misinterpret it.
Pop
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Networking Ability to scan star systems other players have discovered on the Galactic Map, increasing the chance of collision. Star systems discovered by other players appear during Galactic Map flight
Why would they lie in the patch notes? If the online servers are still down then this is for nothing.
Why would they lie in the patch notes? If the online servers are still down then this is for nothing.
lifeexpectancy
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It was clear all along. He said the chances of running into another player were so low as to be virtually nil (paraphrase). He talked about the 'bubble' around you (aka instancing system). He talked about there not being a true multi-player component to the game. Anyone thinking intentional meet ups would happen just by travelling to the same spot on the same planet was deluding themselves.
I tried to dispell this minformation in the spoiler thread, but you had too many people banging that drum, pretending co-op and intentionally finding a specific player was a 'thing'. There was no convincing them otherwise.
Now we have the cold, hard truth, and all I can say to those folks is told ya so. The game is still awesome as-is, and should only disappoint the folks who chose to delude themselves.
No evidence?! All I'm going on is how the game's creator and the media kept talking about how many planets there were, how the game would be different for each person, and the chances of two people coming across the exact same planet was unlikely. The quotes are out there in black and white, or on Youtube from the horses mouth. My evidence on how big the world was is concrete.
Yet here we are already. Yes nothing is impossible, I could get hit by lightning 3 times in one day, not likely but possible. The same way two people found themselves discovering the same planet.
Perhaps my "defense force" comment was inappropriate so I'll retract it.
I can understand the frustration from people though, and to be fair the backlash isn't that harsh, imagine if this was Ubisoft, Activision or EA?!
Vincent Grayson
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By all means guys, if the multiplayer component mentioned that Sean repeatedly said would be incredibly rare and meaningful isn't working exactly the way you've decided it's supposed to on day 1 of release, go fucking crazy.
But maybe, just maybe, we should calm the fuck down and either keep playing and see what happens (which is clearly what the developers intend) in the coming days and weeks.
Jumping from "these two went to the same place and couldn't see each other" to "Sean Murray is a liar" feels a bit ridiculous. Especially when there are countless reasons that they might not have seen each other, from the mundane networking issues that might cause such a thing, to deliberate design decisions. What we absolutely do not know, based on today's information, is that there is no MP whatsoever, and Sean Murray lied.
I dare say it's a combination of the usual underestimation of how quickly gamers tend to break past developer expectations and the random nature of placing players on starting planets. Unless the game uses some kind of specific distribution to ensure that all players start equally distant from each other, there's the possibility (moreso as more players buy it) that two people start quite close together.
But maybe, just maybe, we should calm the fuck down and either keep playing and see what happens (which is clearly what the developers intend) in the coming days and weeks.
Jumping from "these two went to the same place and couldn't see each other" to "Sean Murray is a liar" feels a bit ridiculous. Especially when there are countless reasons that they might not have seen each other, from the mundane networking issues that might cause such a thing, to deliberate design decisions. What we absolutely do not know, based on today's information, is that there is no MP whatsoever, and Sean Murray lied.
I dare say it's a combination of the usual underestimation of how quickly gamers tend to break past developer expectations and the random nature of placing players on starting planets. Unless the game uses some kind of specific distribution to ensure that all players start equally distant from each other, there's the possibility (moreso as more players buy it) that two people start quite close together.
UncleSporky
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It actually does matter. As said earlier in the thread, conditions on the planet change depending on the time of day. It'd be like if in Minecraft one player was playing at night and there were creepers and spiders all over, and another was seeing daytime and none of those monsters. You watch your friend frantically attack nothing, get hit with knockback from unseen attackers and die and there's nothing you can do about it.
I suppose it's possible that the game is set up that way. It'd be really weird though. Certainly not a well-thought-out system.
Karspankey
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Not to their servers...you know...the ones that are constantly going down...lol
Pop
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Online servers have been down all day. I doubt these two were connected.
Doesn't the day 1 patch literally discuss improving the odds of players colliding?
Again, if people were thinking those things, it's because Sean said it existed.
Glass Shark
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I honestly don't care if the game is multiplayer or single-player, it's just kinda shady how they've implied over the years (as recently as March) that you can definitely run into other players but have never clearly said that's changed.
UncleSporky
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Did you see his next tweet after that which shattered this "definitive" statement and made it wishy-washy again?
Oh, by all means if it isn't working flawlessly the way you think it should on day 1, then feel free to blow a fucking gasket.
For a "one in a million" type system, it's more than good enough, and certainly no less poorly thought out than some other systems in the game as released.
SoulUnison
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You don't think it's important that the marketing for the game was misleading literally right up until the morning before release?
What was keeping him/them from "setting the record straight" weeks, months, or even a year or more ago?
You realize there's a huge majority of people who play video games and *don't* hang out on NeoGAF or even follow the industry that closely, right?
It's totally cool to you that someone could have formed their view of this game months ago from dodgy information, pre-ordered and put money down, and then picked up their copy to find it's not what was described or hinted at to them by the devs themselves? It's that person's fault for not religiously checking the dev's Twitter feed?
And electronics and video games don't generally have return policies that could fix this on a person-by-person basis, either.
That can't be right.
I don't think he definitively clarified it. The precious messaging was always that the multiplayer wasn't the FOCUS of the game, but there was the ability to at least see other players if you happened to be in the same place at the same time, but it would be so rare that it's better to just not think about the game as a multiplayer game.
The tweet can be read both ways. Either as a straight up confirmation that the is no functionality or as a reaffirmation that multiplayer is not the focus of the game.
Sorry for the mobile link, can't be helped. Tweet from two days ago.
Check the link above. Pretty fucking clear.
Folks who are already distrustful and/or are looking for faults can finds many ways to justify their demonization. By the same token, those who are basically retroactively justifying an actual complete lack of player interaction by virtue of selective quotes are just as silly.
Me, Ima wait for Sean.
Moon_frogger
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This miiiiight be a valid point if pre order culture weren't a thing. You don't get potentially millions of people pre ordering your game only to suddenly backtrack on what many consider a key feature hours before release. Not to mention how incredibly vague the statement was. 'Don't do looking for multiplayer, this isn't that kind of game' is pretty much what they have been saying all along. They've also been saying 'yes, multiplayer is in the game' if he was going to do damage control hours before release he should have literally said 'no, there isn't multiplayer' his 'to be clear' remark is therefore hilariously misleading in hindsight. Such a massive pr stumble.
old manatee
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UncleSporky
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Yeah I edited to reply to that. His tweet immediately after that swings wildly back the other way and implies multiplayer is possible-but-rare again.
Blackleg-sanji1
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.such a neutral stance get outta here with this!!
depths20XX
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The planets don't even rotate. The dude on twitch has launched multiple times from the same space station in a straight line and you end up in the same spot.
Pop
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It's fucking disgusting how some act and others don't care about the game but dogpile on anyway.
Someone check the damn online server in game and see if its up yet. Wasn't earlier.
It was never a key feature. Never once.
That's revisionist history to an extent that I can't even fathom how you could get there. Gold in mental gymnastics at Rio levels of ridiculous.
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They don't? Darn.
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