NYT: Republicans close to Trump say he's "exhausted, frustrated and bewildered"

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NR1 said:
I'm watching the Trump rally in Fairfield, Connecticut and he is just a mess. He is now bitching to the audience about if he looses the election he will never forgive them for wasting his time and money and not winning. What a damn looney toon... Now he is kicking out a protestor and saying she looks like Hillary and yelling, "Bye, Hillary. Get her out of here! Say hi to Bill for me!"
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He's done. Toast. Reince and Paul must be about to check themselves into rehab.
 
NR1 said:
I'm watching the Trump rally in Fairfield, Connecticut and he is just a mess. He is now bitching to the audience about if he looses the election he will never forgive them for wasting his time and money and not winning. What a damn looney toon... Now he is kicking out a protestor and saying she looks like Hillary and yelling, "Bye, Hillary. Get her out of here! Say hi to Bill for me!"
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Wait...for reals? lol
 
Imperfected said:
He just needs to buckle down and spontaneously generate the patience, work ethic, and intellectual curiosity necessary for intense study and practice that, by all indications, he has lacked for his entire adult life as a result of his overly-privileged and insulated upbringing.

I'm sure it won't be a problem. Lots of 70 year old men do it.
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Just watched that rally, and wow. He was sounding a bit crazy there with his random yelling and telling people if he loses it's their fault.

He is unraveled. I'm not sure his mental health can take another 3 months of this.
 
rjinaz said:
Just watched that rally, and wow. He was sounding a bit crazy there with his random yelling and telling people if he loses it's their fault.

He is unraveled. I'm not sure his mental health can take another 3 months of this.
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I'm smiling from ear to ear.
 
tuxfool said:
Don't you hail from the land of Brexit?
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Indeed, UK shot itself on the foot in a spectacular way.

I realise my comment might have come off as drive-byish, so a clarification is in place. While I like how Trump has upset the Republican inner circle nobody is supposed to best, I acknowledge that he seems much less qualified than Hillary, and it doesn't help that he acts batshit insane, or has awful opinions about pretty much everything. But equally I really don't think all Hillary's scandals from e-mails to hedge fund leaks can be entirely manufactured by a decades long tarnishing campaign as some suggested, rather I think they are exposing the corrupt economic system redistributing wealth to those with the right connections.

Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
 
Chittagong said:
Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
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Yes it did, it just took the form of "he's not Christian, he's Muslim," or, "he's not AMERICAN, he's AFRICAN!"

Because that is literally the measure of a person's worth in these peoples' eyes.
 
Chittagong said:
Indeed, UK shot itself on the foot in a spectacular way.

I realise my comment might have come off as drive-byish, so a clarification is in place. While I like how Trump has upset the Republican inner circle nobody is supposed to best, I acknowledge that he seems much less qualified than Hillary, and it doesn't help that he acts batshit insane, or has awful opinions about pretty much everything. But equally I really don't think all Hillary's scandals from e-mails to hedge fund leaks can be entirely manufactured by a decades long tarnishing campaign as some suggested, rather I think they are exposing the corrupt economic system redistributing wealth to those with the right connections.

Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
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Because he was a freshman and didn't have 15 years of bullshit propaganda leveled at him.


And you're forgetting birthers and "Chicago politics"
 
Chittagong said:
Indeed, UK shot itself on the foot in a spectacular way.

I realise my comment might have come off as drive-byish, so a clarification is in place. While I like how Trump has upset the Republican inner circle nobody is supposed to best, I acknowledge that he seems much less qualified than Hillary, and it doesn't help that he acts batshit insane, or has awful opinions about pretty much everything. But equally I really don't think all Hillary's scandals from e-mails to hedge fund leaks can be entirely manufactured by a decades long tarnishing campaign as some suggested, rather I think they are exposing the corrupt economic system redistributing wealth to those with the right connections.

Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
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A Chicago politicians character never came into question LOFuckingL.
 
BassForever said:
Assuming this is all true if Trump can't handled a GE how the fuck is he supposed to handle the stress of being President?
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Delegate it all to the VP! Trump would just travel the world spouting bullshit and leaving it to Pence to mop up after. And in a hypothetical world where he got to run for a second term, he just drops Pence, blames him for everything that went wrong in his administration, and repeats. He doesn't want to do Presidential work, he just wants the title.

He'd probably have a better shot in the debates if he could just delegate those to Pence, too.
 
Chittagong said:
Indeed, UK shot itself on the foot in a spectacular way.

I realise my comment might have come off as drive-byish, so a clarification is in place. While I like how Trump has upset the Republican inner circle nobody is supposed to best, I acknowledge that he seems much less qualified than Hillary, and it doesn't help that he acts batshit insane, or has awful opinions about pretty much everything. But equally I really don't think all Hillary's scandals from e-mails to hedge fund leaks can be entirely manufactured by a decades long tarnishing campaign as some suggested, rather I think they are exposing the corrupt economic system redistributing wealth to those with the right connections.

Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
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They didn't accuse him of being a corrupt liar interested in riches, but they did suggest he was a Kenyan born Muslim terrorist sympathizer seeking racial vengeance on white America.

I think the primary difference is that Obama has such effortless charm that everyone could see he wasn't this monster the Republicans tried to paint him as, whereas Hillary has the charisma of a baked potato.
 
Chittagong said:
Indeed, UK shot itself on the foot in a spectacular way.

I realise my comment might have come off as drive-byish, so a clarification is in place. While I like how Trump has upset the Republican inner circle nobody is supposed to best, I acknowledge that he seems much less qualified than Hillary, and it doesn't help that he acts batshit insane, or has awful opinions about pretty much everything. But equally I really don't think all Hillary's scandals from e-mails to hedge fund leaks can be entirely manufactured by a decades long tarnishing campaign as some suggested, rather I think they are exposing the corrupt economic system redistributing wealth to those with the right connections.

Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
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What? Just because none of the same accusations were thrown at Obama didn't mean there were none. What nonsense.

Edit: damn iPhone.
 
Cerium said:
They didn't accuse him of being a corrupt liar interested in riches, but they did suggest he was a Kenyan born terrorist sympathizer seeking racial vengeance on white America.
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I think what we can take for this is one mud-slinging narrative is believable to more people due to the influence of money and corporations in politics and politics in general being seen as slimy, and the other is only believable to a bunch of wacked out nutjobs, otherwise known as the Republican base (#notallrepublicans).
 
As an European, I must have a different perspective on Obama, I was always under the impression that the questions about his origin and roots were always written off as a joke by a vast majority of population, and mostly aired by people seen as nuts anyway (Trump). Aside from a few simpletons getting confused between the words Obama and Osama, was his background really a serious discussion point then?
 
Chittagong said:
As aN European, I must have a different perspective on Obama, I was always under the impression that the questions about his origin and roots were always written off as a joke by a vast majority of population, and mostly aired by people seen as nuts anyway (Trump). Aside from a few simpletons getting confused between the words Obama and Osama, was his background really a serious discussion point then?
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About 48% of the country believed it.
 
Chittagong said:
As aN European, I must have a different perspective on Obama, I was always under the impression that the questions about his origin and roots were always written off as a joke by a vast majority of population, and mostly aired by people seen as nuts anyway (Trump). Aside from a few simpletons getting confused between the words Obama and Osama, was his background really a serious discussion point then?
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Towards the end of the 2008 campaign it got scary, when McCain even mentioned Obama's name at rallies there would be shouts of "he's a terrorist!" or even "kill him!" McCain and especially Pain were really stoking the flames, accusing him of "palling around with terrorists" and not representing "real America."

McCain eventually realized things had gotten out of hand and tried to put a lid on it but I was legitimately worried for Obama's life at that point.
 
Chittagong said:
Indeed, UK shot itself on the foot in a spectacular way.

I realise my comment might have come off as drive-byish, so a clarification is in place. While I like how Trump has upset the Republican inner circle nobody is supposed to best, I acknowledge that he seems much less qualified than Hillary, and it doesn't help that he acts batshit insane, or has awful opinions about pretty much everything. But equally I really don't think all Hillary's scandals from e-mails to hedge fund leaks can be entirely manufactured by a decades long tarnishing campaign as some suggested, rather I think they are exposing the corrupt economic system redistributing wealth to those with the right connections.

Think back to when Obama was elected, his integrity of character never came into question, like it has with both main candidates now.
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Others have explained the clinton half of the equation. The impetus for my question was the fact that Brexit was a thing for very much the same reasons that Donald Trump is a thing.
 
Sheroking said:
You think there's a snowballs chance in hell that Trump is going to do well in a debate against Clinton?

They're going to make the Biden/Palin debate look competitive by comparison.
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"Well" in the academic sense? Of course not. US presidential debates aren't academic debates, though...they're political theater measured in the effectiveness of talking points, not facts. The average voter is only superficially educated on the issues (If at all) and typically responds more to what sounds good than what is factually correct except in the rare instances where a politician manages to weave both together.
 
BassForever said:
Assuming this is all true if Trump can't handled a GE how the fuck is he supposed to handle the stress of being President?
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Seriously. He isn't a politician. He's an entertainer with business experience. This isn't going away if he becomes president. If anything it'll become worse, because by then his actions and words will have actual weight and consequence behind them, much more than even now. Everything will be subject to scrutiny. People are going to protest, call him all manner of things, spread numerous rumors and conspiracy theories. Half of the government will be pushing against him. He's not going to get everything he wants. The people who adore him now can just as easily turn on him if their expectations aren't met 100%.

If he can't live with that, then he's applying for the wrong job.
 
Shao Kahn on the Lawn said:
"Well" in the academic sense? Of course not. US presidential debates aren't academic debates, though...they're political theater measured in the effectiveness of talking points, not facts. The average voter is only superficially educated on the issues (If at all) and typically responds more to what sounds good than what is factually correct except in the rare instances where a politician manages to weave both together.
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Temperament matters to the general electorate.

If Trump reinforces the narrative that his temperament is unfit for the presidency by saying stupid shit that doesnt make sense, interrupts, insults or just go crazy then he will not expand beyond his core base.
 
Chittagong said:
As an European, I must have a different perspective on Obama, I was always under the impression that the questions about his origin and roots were always written off as a joke by a vast majority of population, and mostly aired by people seen as nuts anyway (Trump). Aside from a few simpletons getting confused between the words Obama and Osama, was his background really a serious discussion point then?
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72% of an entire party still believe he was not born in this country.
 
tuxfool said:
Others have explained the clinton half of the equation. The impetus for my question was the fact that Brexit was a thing for very much the same reasons that Donald Trump is a thing.
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Because a big part of the population is frustrated and votes for whatever they perceive they are not supposed to vote for, especially if that something speaks to their prejudices?

That said, I think it's a bit cheap to write off all McCain votes as uninformed people thinking Obama was a terrorist, McCain was a pretty respected character with military cred that certainly speaks to a conservative base. They both were pretty decent candidates, in my opinion.
 
NR1 said:
I'm watching the Trump rally in Fairfield, Connecticut and he is just a mess. He is now bitching to the audience about if he looses the election he will never forgive them for wasting his time and money and not winning. What a damn looney toon... Now he is kicking out a protestor and saying she looks like Hillary and yelling, "Bye, Hillary. Get her out of here! Say hi to Bill for me!"
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The mans ego is getting bruised left and right, and as a narcissist he can't handle it. He's getting exposed on the national stage and trying everything he can to deny/avoid the realization that he can't handle the pressure, let alone the actual job. It's both sad and hilarious.

Edit: I googled narcissist to make sure I was spelling it right and I just noticed the first related article is about Donald Trump. :P
 
giga said:
CT today. He went off script again, confirming NYT's garbage reporting.

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"I'd be reading all day long." Funny, it took me twenty minutes to read all their Trump stuff today.

So he reinstates The Washington Post, and now wants to ban The New York Times. Interesting. By the end of this coming week, CNN will be on there, easily.
 
Chittagong said:
Because a big part of the population is frustrated and votes for whatever they perceive they are not supposed to vote for, especially if that something speaks to their prejudices?

That said, I think it's a bit cheap to write off all McCain votes as uninformed people thinking Obama was a terrorist, McCain was a pretty respected character with military cred that certainly speaks to a conservative base. They both were pretty decent candidates, in my opinion.
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Please watch this news report from 2008 for perspective.
 
Chittagong said:
Because a big part of the population is frustrated and votes for whatever they perceive they are not supposed to vote for, especially if that something speaks to their prejudices?

That said, I think it's a bit cheap to write off all McCain votes as uninformed people thinking Obama was a terrorist, McCain was a pretty respected character with military cred that certainly speaks to a conservative base. They both were pretty decent candidates, in my opinion.
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What about McCain's amazing choice for VP?
 
Yeah Obama "associating with terrorists" was like the top GOP talking point in 2008. It was parroted by every conservative I knew.

It wasn't about Islamic terrorism, it was about Bill Ayers.

Even so, I had more than one friend repeat it and insist it was about Islamic terrorists. They didn't even bother to learn the reason behind the talking point.
 
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