They are stupid or intentionally malicious. Pick your poison.
NYT: Republicans close to Trump say he's "exhausted, frustrated and bewildered"
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Monocle
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Why not both?
Claude Augario
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Exactly the logical and intelligent precedent I would expect from a Trump voter when confronted.
A Link to the Past
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Impressive - this is by far the most intelligent political argument I have ever seen you make.
No, see, you don't understand. Ironically Supporting Fascism Is Cool Bro doesn't get hurt by those things, so it's negligible. Because "fuck the system" Trump supporters love to stick it to the man by ruining the lives of millions of the least powerful in our society.
EatinOlives
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I think the point is that your inner-monologue reasoning in your head is separate from the reality that is what the world sees when someone votes for Trump.
I can do crazy shit on the outside that in head sounds like for completely legitimate reasons. Maybe I have read up on the positive effects on vitamin D and have committed to absorb as much of it as possible, so I venture to areas that trap the most heat around moving objects that reflect the most sunlight. That makes great sense in my head! To everyone else in the world, however, I'm actually just doing calisthenics in the middle of a highway.
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Seriously
If your reply to "here are the horrific implications of your actions" is nothing more than "blah blah blah", it essentially means that the alternative response is "you're right, I'm horrid"
No one is stopping you from voting for Trump, but acting indignant when people make very clear, very factual rebuttals to your decision and who make a point of demonstrating why your actions are bad is ridiculous. If you're old enough to vote, you're old enough to own the consequences of your actions.
If your reply to "here are the horrific implications of your actions" is nothing more than "blah blah blah", it essentially means that the alternative response is "you're right, I'm horrid"
No one is stopping you from voting for Trump, but acting indignant when people make very clear, very factual rebuttals to your decision and who make a point of demonstrating why your actions are bad is ridiculous. If you're old enough to vote, you're old enough to own the consequences of your actions.
cpp_is_king
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Actually the blah blah blah was in response to the ad hominem at the end. Thought those were bannable around these parts anyway, but perhaps there's an exception to the rule when used against trump supporters
Ah true we had our own "useful (for farage) idiots" in the UK. They threw malice so wildly they fucked their own lives to show those highly mobile and well financially cushioned what's what.
Why would supporting a absolutely vile man shield you from judgement? Especially when that choice can cause great harm to people. He's made racism mainstream acceptable amongst many other things.
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Perhaps that's why you vote for Trump - he also says things without thinking and is thus required to followup and offer explanations for why what he said wasn't actually awful.
Ultimately, this is a heated election, and for good reason - a lot of people in this thread have some pretty strong stakes in this thread and, if Trump were to win, he would create a worse country specifically for some of the worse off among us (myself included). When you declare your intent to support Trump, even if (in fact, ESPECIALLY if) your goal is to burn it down (which inherently has the ultimate result that minorities get FUCKED), people are understandably going to be really, really angry with you. To them, it would be akin to getting angry at a white supremacist coming onto these forums. What you're proposing is not only untenable to many, but in fact utterly sickening, and people will inevitably lose their cool when confronted by what I consider a pretty miserable belief system.
My perception of you is that you aren't honest. You originally supported Trump to support Trump. You got the name and tag for a reason. Characterizing it now as:
Just feels like backpedaling, but not backpedaling far enough away from ironically supporting a fascist, bro.
This is kinda hypercritical though to put it mildly because what about Clinton and the dead Iraqi children?
Voting for Clinton should not be done with arrogance like that.
cpp_is_king
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It shouldn't. But there is a difference between "I don't like your ideas and i do not wish to subscribe to your newsletter" and "by god you're a complete fucking idiot". I'm pretty sure the latter is bannable, but even if sympathetic mods make an exception, i still feel more than justified responding to such comments with "talk to the hand"
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I don't think even the biggest Clinton supporters here believe that she is without fault in that respect
But voting for Trump and voting for Clinton are different in that respect. A vote for either empowers them to do these things, but Trump is actually CAMPAIGNING on doing these things. Trump's voters aren't voting for him in SPITE of his views on waterboarding, it is BECAUSE of his views on waterboarding. He's not a case of "he's good, except for that whole anti-LGBT thing he's going to enact" to his voters, he's a case of "he's good because he's going to put all of the homos in jail"
His campaign is, more often than not, Trump declaring his intent to harm.
It's less "I dont like your ideas and I do not wish to subscribe to your newsletter" and more "your actions and opinions are extremely dangerous to me and my loved ones and your protest vote isn't actually a protest".
And disregarding that posters insult, you didnt actually respond to his points. So until you make a good argument for it, you're going to continue to get called out on this forum, I imagine.
This is really well put. Thank you.
cpp_is_king
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I'm plenty honest. Here's how honest i am, I'll list out all the areas i agree and disagree with trump.
Agree:
* build the wall
* America is too politically correct
Disagree:
* pretty much everything else
I admit, while everyone else is running around picking apart every little thing he says and going nuts over it, I'm just over here laughing at what this country has become. I mean eventually things get so screwed up that all you can really do is laugh about it, and that's where i am. Who knows, maybe after you put a few more years on you'll be there too
And btw, I got the name because I requested "Donald Trump Building a Wall" (see agree point #1 above) and a mod thought it would be funny to pwn me.
I got the tag because I said i was so disenfranchised that I'd be willing to let someone come in and do whatever the hell they wanted even if I didn't agree with them. /shrug
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He can't, a mod just pwned him. Also, pwned is in Firefox's dictionary.
Anyway, cpp_king, if you are reading this: I know exactly how you got your name. And the mod was right to do so. Because you are, like it or not, a supporter of a fascist.
That said, in his absence, I will answer Lo_Fi's question. Boy, Ironically Supporting Fascism Is Cool, Bro sure got politically correct over being called a name, maybe he should get a thicker skin
Anyway, cpp_king, if you are reading this: I know exactly how you got your name. And the mod was right to do so. Because you are, like it or not, a supporter of a fascist.
That said, in his absence, I will answer Lo_Fi's question. Boy, Ironically Supporting Fascism Is Cool, Bro sure got politically correct over being called a name, maybe he should get a thicker skin
tearsofash
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Nvm
Nothing like voting against things you stand for in life.
Hurt feelings isn't a reason to vote for a racist
Sure that I'll agree with. However, it also is a different kind of argument from the post I quoted. Your point can't be mirrored as effectively as the other one where you can easily sum up negative issues about Hilary.
Might seem like part pooping but it's important if you care about keeping the pressure on Hilary after the election in the hope she betters herself when it comes to her faults or keep her from moving astray from her promises. Politicians are politicians after all.
I'm plenty honest. Here's how honest i am, I'll list out all the areas i agree and disagree with trump.
Agree:
* build the wall
* America is too politically correct
Disagree:
* pretty much everything else
I admit, while everyone else is running around picking apart every little thing he says and going nuts over it, I'm just over here laughing at what this country has become. I mean eventually things get so screwed up that all you can really do is laugh about it, and that's where i am. Who knows, maybe after you put a few more years on you'll be there too
And btw, I got the name because I requested "Donald Trump Building a Wall" (see agree point #1 above) and a mod thought it would be funny to pwn me.
I got the tag because I said i was so disenfranchised that I'd be willing to let someone come in and do whatever the hell they wanted even if I didn't agree with them. /shrug
"Politically correct" usually means "Waaah! Society won't let me say my racist shit without repercussions!" in the context of right wing folk. Just another racist facet of the average Trump supporter.
Darn I actually wanted to hear what his definition was. Because it's an incredibly vague phrase that usually just translates to "I dont like that social consequences exist"
I know the definition, I just think it's important that people get on the same page when talking about pc or "offended"
I know the definition, I just think it's important that people get on the same page when talking about pc or "offended"
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And I will be one of the people, or try to be, who keeps her honest. The comparison, for me, is that for as many issues as Clinton may have, a too-large percentage of Americans see the issues of Trump as virtues, while the rest refuse to see them at all.
Seriously. "I don't want consequences" works on the issue of political correctness, but also him wanting to be able to support Trump without receiving derision - especially when his support is out of a desire to wreck shit.
jim-jam bongs
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You're banned (sad!) so my commentary is probably meaningless, but whatever. Fuck you. You supported a racist, fascist before his loss was a sure thing. You're a turd. I don't care if your single issue is what you say it is; fuck the establishment; or if you're a racist like your boy Trump. Doesn't matter, because the destination is the same.
So fuck you.
SporeCrawler
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Now imagine trump as a flower girl
Some Nobody
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If you know your vote doesn't matter, and you want to express your dissatisfaction for a broken system, why not...hmmm....vote for a candidate you believe in. Hell, you can write your own name in for all I care.
This is why people are calling you idiot/fascist. Because voting for Trump means:
A.) You didn't think of what I just said, which would make you kinda silly.
B.) You DO support Trump, which would make you a fascist.
Having said that, the name change does suck for you and is actually quite ironic. The person who did that clearly has a problem with fascism, and yet abused his power to change your name. People on GAF find that amusing/funny/whatever, but it's actually kind of gross to think that someone decided to take your name, and give you another one because they clearly know better.
But that's off-topic and obviously rather personal given I think it's obvious I didn't name myself Some Nobody. So let's get focused again:
We already look like morons to the rest of the world. It's like when people continue to say Trump and Hillary are equally bad when they're so obviously not. Trump is a racist, sexist fearmongerer. He says things that are unmistakably false and just goes on like these things can't be immediately fact-checked into oblivion. He's a guy running for the highest military office in the land--the commander-in-chief of the largest military force in the fucking world, and he kicked his political career off by calling POWs "losers". He tried to smear the names of a Muslim family that lost their son--a son who died fighting for this country. He's made mistakes that literally no other human being with even a few months of political experience would've dared make, and is such a shitty candidate he's managing to make some of the people with shorter memories long for the days of Mittens and John McCain.
This is a guy who should never have achieved anything remotely resembling a plurality. He should've gotten 2 percent, maybe five, and been a joke by now. But he's not--because there are enough people in most of the fifty states that believe all of the worst things he's said. And so if I'm from another country following American politics I've got to believe a large percentage of us are a bunch of ignorant mouthbreathers who think Mexico sends us their rapists and we should kill the families of terrorists to make them stop fighting us. (I'm still not sure how he got away with that one.)
And even those of us on the liberal side are a little wrong--we're all so self-satisfied that the GOP is getting what they've earned over the past twelve years and self-destructing. And rightfully so, but....why are none of us fucking embarrassed? Because over anything else right now, knowing that Trump has no shot but is still The Other candidate for the Presidency of the United States of America? We should be.
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Eh, nah. At the time that the user was looking for a name change, Trump was pretty horrific. If we swapped out David Duke for Donald Trump, I think that that would make it more appropriate to fuck with someone's name like that.
Wonder if this will blow up;
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c6ff...-trump-provided-child-care-services-employees
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/c6ff...-trump-provided-child-care-services-employees
Zeuanimals
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Honestly, why is she tied to Benghazi? I know people who hate her with a passion because of it and I don't think they watch Fox News but they probably have gotten soundbites. I can't see them being very happy if she wins and I want to be able to douse their hatred with a little sense.
SpeedySwaf
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I think at most we'll get a commercial that uses it as another instance of Donald saying he did one thing when he had done another. As it stands I think people are focusing much more on what he says now rather than what he did before.
I'm plenty honest. Here's how honest i am, I'll list out all the areas i agree and disagree with trump.
Agree:
* build the wall
* America is too politically correct
Disagree:
* pretty much everything else
I admit, while everyone else is running around picking apart every little thing he says and going nuts over it, I'm just over here laughing at what this country has become. I mean eventually things get so screwed up that all you can really do is laugh about it, and that's where i am. Who knows, maybe after you put a few more years on you'll be there too
And btw, I got the name because I requested "Donald Trump Building a Wall" (see agree point #1 above) and a mod thought it would be funny to pwn me.
I got the tag because I said i was so disenfranchised that I'd be willing to let someone come in and do whatever the hell they wanted even if I didn't agree with them. /shrug
I don't think you understand what that term actually means.
Chittagong
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I'll need to google up symptoms of nervous breakdown, to see whether it's that or just Trump being Trump. My intuition says the latter.
Brian Griffin
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People compare him to Hitler a lot but it seems now his political rise and fall align more with Pablo Escobar. He wants political legitimacy so he tries to ride his popularity with the people into power but lacks any knowledge of how politics actually work. As a result he is laughed out of the entire political system.
Hopefully his anger and humiliation won't manifest the same way Escobar's did.
Hopefully his anger and humiliation won't manifest the same way Escobar's did.
blue_phazon
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I'm plenty honest. Here's how honest i am, I'll list out all the areas i agree and disagree with trump.
Agree:
* build the wall
* America is too politically correct
Disagree:
* pretty much everything else
I admit, while everyone else is running around picking apart every little thing he says and going nuts over it, I'm just over here laughing at what this country has become. I mean eventually things get so screwed up that all you can really do is laugh about it, and that's where i am. Who knows, maybe after you put a few more years on you'll be there too
And btw, I got the name because I requested "Donald Trump Building a Wall" (see agree point #1 above) and a mod thought it would be funny to pwn me.
I got the tag because I said i was so disenfranchised that I'd be willing to let someone come in and do whatever the hell they wanted even if I didn't agree with them. /shrug
Being banned from gaf isn't enough. You should be banned from society.
And if not that, I hope by some circumstance you lose your right to vote or be allowed to express your opinions.
titiklabingapat
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At the end of the day, it doesn't matter once Hillary wins. Other than the fact that you voted for Donald fucking Trump.
I guess some people really pride in seeing the world burn. Or at least the potential of it.
exmachina64
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Fuck Trump.
Orniletter
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WE ARE THE CHAMPIONSThat explains his entrance at rnc:
Imperfected
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I simply cannot wrap my head around the sentiment that Trump is "anti-establishment" or that voting for him is "sticking it to the man".
He's an old white guy who was born into fabulous wealth and survives (despite incompetence and constant failure) through the phenomenal wealth-generation of his land holdings. He is literally landed gentry, for god's sake. You are voting for hereditary aristocracy to "stick it to the man".
You want to show your disdain for the system? Vote for Vermin Supreme. There's literally no other way to read that vote other than disgust with American politics and hatred for the Washington elite. If you're going to "protest vote", you at least need to make sure that your vote actually conveys the message you want it to. The easiest way to read a vote for Trump is "I kind of like The Man and enjoy paying him rent."
He's an old white guy who was born into fabulous wealth and survives (despite incompetence and constant failure) through the phenomenal wealth-generation of his land holdings. He is literally landed gentry, for god's sake. You are voting for hereditary aristocracy to "stick it to the man".
You want to show your disdain for the system? Vote for Vermin Supreme. There's literally no other way to read that vote other than disgust with American politics and hatred for the Washington elite. If you're going to "protest vote", you at least need to make sure that your vote actually conveys the message you want it to. The easiest way to read a vote for Trump is "I kind of like The Man and enjoy paying him rent."
Chittagong
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It is bit of a head scratcher, but I suppose the rationale goes - enemy of your enemy is your friend. And while he naturally is an enemy of democrats, he has also obviously upset the republican establishment, where the inner circle was meant to be impenetrable for anyone not from the right background.
Any Questions
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Good point.
That and having such a fortunate start that his failures can be brushed over
Messofanego
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Not surprised this is coming from a Trump supporter. Yet to see a reasonable and intelligent one XD
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I noticed that too, I wonder if that will ever come up again considering how hard Trump is riding the anti-establishment train.
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