NYT: Republicans close to Trump say he's "exhausted, frustrated and bewildered"

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Stinkles said:
The Trump brand is based on a kind of gauche, glittering, hillbilly misconception of luxury. Whatever cachet he has doesn't have any merit to the kind of old money American wealth that Trump desperately wishes he was part of. It did have some overseas value - nouveau riche, the Middle East and Eastern European new money looking for an onramp or affinity with American wealth.

However, the last several months have exposed him at a global level, for what he is - a racist, anti-Muslim floundering intellectual failure who has been roundly and publicly rejected by the establishment. Whatever flimsy international appeal his brand had, has been put in a disastrous spotlight.

The people at his rallies are not going to be in the market for marble-gilded condos in Bahrain or on Fifth avenue. So when all of this is done, his brand licensing will probably be in the toilet, which leaves him with his real estate and hotel businesses, which he has consistently and spectacularly failed at.

The guy's primary value right now, and likely the source of his murky taxes, is to be a Russian proxy - an unwitting stooge for a bunch of Oligarch billionaires both laundering money through his ridiculous properties, and doing Putin's invasive dirty work on the global scene.

He had to spend millions of his own money getting this far, and you can tell from his ever increasing exasperation that he never had any intention of spending his own real money, and me and everyone else with a brain suspects he's living in debt, and that his billionaire lifestyle is as paper thin and fragile as his skin.

After this his brand will be shit. Rednecks and racists. Sure, reality TV, pyramid schemes, shit hotels for people who don't know any better, but the "rich Trump classy" aspect is fucking toast.

And he is going to lose the Trump university suit too. At which point I expect numerous other legal and financial houses of cards to start imploding. His current abject panic is likely based on that realization. The dawning horror that the gross mirage he's painted for decades is finally being undone under the glare of the media spotlight and the cold harsh light of day.

His taxes are probably a hot mess of debt, Russian investment and the glaringly obvious lack of billions in any meaningful sense.

If he wasn't one of the stupidest, most disgusting, pandering, lying sacks of creepy shit ever to spill out of the silver spoon closet, I'd almost feel sorry for him.

This "successful businessman billionaire who wants to make America great again," literally can't borrow money from American banks. What does that tell you about the depth of his business acumen?
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The experts agree with you

I’ve had donors say: ‘I’m a billionaire. Trump’s a clown with a credit card.’
Rick Wilson, Florida political consultant
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Link said:
Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss
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Murdoch's sons, James and Lachlan, are reported to dislike the populist propaganda style of Ailes' Fox News nor are they ardent believers in the message as Ailes is. To bring in younger and broader audiences, Fox News is mostly consumed by white elderly populations, Fox News may have a partial swing toward the center in the following years. But since Fox is incredibly profitable, I don't think that the right wing ideology will be fully extinguished.
 
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Casimir said:
Murdoch's sons, James and Lachlan, are reported to dislike the populist propaganda style of Ailes' Fox News nor are they ardent believers in the message as Ailes is. To bring in younger and broader audiences, Fox News is mostly consumed by white elderly populations, Fox News may have a partial swing toward the center in the following years. But since Fox is incredibly profitable, I don't think that the right wing ideology will be fully extinguished.
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Murdoch is still the man in charge and the co-presidents he just installed were both high-ranking officials that worked under Ailes. Nothing is going to change.
 
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Link said:
Excellent analysis. And while I enjoy the flaming car wreck the Republican Party has become, it's really bad for our democracy. I've always voted Democrat by choice, but it's increasingly becoming a choice by default. There are things about the Democratic Party that I'm not entirely happy with, but when the other option is the Republican Party, then what can I do?

And no, the answer is not to vote third party, especially since I'm in Florida.
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It really is an excellent post. And I do hope there is eventually some choice in another party, but I also think that if the Dems continue to dominate the White House there will at least be some diversity within the party regarding candidate options. There could easily be more people like Bernie who end up being more palatable to more of the citizenry.

Honestly the Repubs aren't gonna change too much until their downticket grip loosens as well, which will take who knows how long
 
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Stinkles said:
The Trump brand is based on a kind of gauche, glittering, hillbilly misconception of luxury. Whatever cachet he has doesn't have any merit to the kind of old money American wealth that Trump desperately wishes he was part of. It did have some overseas value - nouveau riche, the Middle East and Eastern European new money looking for an onramp or affinity with American wealth.

However, the last several months have exposed him at a global level, for what he is - a racist, anti-Muslim floundering intellectual failure who has been roundly and publicly rejected by the establishment. Whatever flimsy international appeal his brand had, has been put in a disastrous spotlight.

The people at his rallies are not going to be in the market for marble-gilded condos in Bahrain or on Fifth avenue. So when all of this is done, his brand licensing will probably be in the toilet, which leaves him with his real estate and hotel businesses, which he has consistently and spectacularly failed at.

The guy's primary value right now, and likely the source of his murky taxes, is to be a Russian proxy - an unwitting stooge for a bunch of Oligarch billionaires both laundering money through his ridiculous properties, and doing Putin's invasive dirty work on the global scene.

He had to spend millions of his own money getting this far, and you can tell from his ever increasing exasperation that he never had any intention of spending his own real money, and me and everyone else with a brain suspects he's living in debt, and that his billionaire lifestyle is as paper thin and fragile as his skin.

After this his brand will be shit. Rednecks and racists. Sure, reality TV, pyramid schemes, shit hotels for people who don't know any better, but the "rich Trump classy" aspect is fucking toast.

And he is going to lose the Trump university suit too. At which point I expect numerous other legal and financial houses of cards to start imploding. His current abject panic is likely based on that realization. The dawning horror that the gross mirage he's painted for decades is finally being undone under the glare of the media spotlight and the cold harsh light of day.

His taxes are probably a hot mess of debt, Russian investment and the glaringly obvious lack of billions in any meaningful sense.

If he wasn't one of the stupidest, most disgusting, pandering, lying sacks of creepy shit ever to spill out of the silver spoon closet, I'd almost feel sorry for him.

This "successful businessman billionaire who wants to make America great again," literally can't borrow money from American banks. What does that tell you about the depth of his business acumen?
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But he went to Whartons.
 
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Stinkles said:
The Trump brand is based on a kind of gauche, glittering, hillbilly misconception of luxury. Whatever cachet he has doesn't have any merit to the kind of old money American wealth that Trump desperately wishes he was part of. It did have some overseas value - nouveau riche, the Middle East and Eastern European new money looking for an onramp or affinity with American wealth.

However, the last several months have exposed him at a global level, for what he is - a racist, anti-Muslim floundering intellectual failure who has been roundly and publicly rejected by the establishment. Whatever flimsy international appeal his brand had, has been put in a disastrous spotlight.

The people at his rallies are not going to be in the market for marble-gilded condos in Bahrain or on Fifth avenue. So when all of this is done, his brand licensing will probably be in the toilet, which leaves him with his real estate and hotel businesses, which he has consistently and spectacularly failed at.

The guy's primary value right now, and likely the source of his murky taxes, is to be a Russian proxy - an unwitting stooge for a bunch of Oligarch billionaires both laundering money through his ridiculous properties, and doing Putin's invasive dirty work on the global scene.

He had to spend millions of his own money getting this far, and you can tell from his ever increasing exasperation that he never had any intention of spending his own real money, and me and everyone else with a brain suspects he's living in debt, and that his billionaire lifestyle is as paper thin and fragile as his skin.

After this his brand will be shit. Rednecks and racists. Sure, reality TV, pyramid schemes, shit hotels for people who don't know any better, but the "rich Trump classy" aspect is fucking toast.

And he is going to lose the Trump university suit too. At which point I expect numerous other legal and financial houses of cards to start imploding. His current abject panic is likely based on that realization. The dawning horror that the gross mirage he's painted for decades is finally being undone under the glare of the media spotlight and the cold harsh light of day.

His taxes are probably a hot mess of debt, Russian investment and the glaringly obvious lack of billions in any meaningful sense.

If he wasn't one of the stupidest, most disgusting, pandering, lying sacks of creepy shit ever to spill out of the silver spoon closet, I'd almost feel sorry for him.

This "successful businessman billionaire who wants to make America great again," literally can't borrow money from American banks. What does that tell you about the depth of his business acumen?
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Great post. Reminds me of this piece:
Foursquare Data Shows Trump’s Candidacy Is Hurting His Biz Empire
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-properties-foursquare-data-visits-down

His international reputation is toast, and even amongst the wealthy in America I think he's being viewed as a distasteful, nouveau riche asshole with zero intellectual credibility.
The effect on the Trump empire post campaign will be exciting to behold.
 
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WSJ Editorial Board, notoriously conservative, echoes NYT report and asks Trump to step aside if he can't/won't change: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-self-reckoning-1471213081

If they can’t get Mr. Trump to change his act by Labor Day, the GOP will have no choice but to write off the nominee as hopeless and focus on salvaging the Senate and House and other down-ballot races. As for Mr. Trump, he needs to stop blaming everyone else and decide if he wants to behave like someone who wants to be President—or turn the nomination over to Mike Pence.
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giga said:
WSJ Editorial Board, notoriously conservative, echoes NYT report and asks Trump to step aside if he can't/won't change: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-self-reckoning-1471213081
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Meanwhile, the meltdown continues:

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I hate paywalls. :(
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The latest stories comport with what we also hear from sources close to the Trump campaign. Mr. Trump’s advisers and his family want the candidate to deliver a consistent message making the case for change. They’d like him to be disciplined. They want him to focus on growing the economy and raising incomes and fighting terrorism.

They think he should make the election a referendum on Hillary Clinton, not on himself. And they’d like him to spend a little time each day—a half hour even—studying the issues he’ll need to understand if he becomes President.

Is that so hard? Apparently so. Mr. Trump prefers to watch the cable shows rather than read a briefing paper. He thinks the same shoot-from-the-lip style that won over a plurality of GOP primary voters can persuade other Republicans and independents who worry if he has the temperament to be Commander in Chief.

He also thinks the crowds at his campaign rallies are a substitute for the lack of a field organization and digital turnout strategy. And he thinks that Twitter and social media can make up for being outspent $100 million to zero in battleground states.

By now it should be obvious that none of this is working. It’s obvious to many of his advisers, who are the sources for the news stories about dysfunction. They may be covering for themselves, but this is what happens in failing campaigns. The difference is that the recriminations typically start in October, not mid-August.
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RPGCrazied said:
I have a feeling he is going to implode before then. Would be so embarrassing, after all this, a year of this shit, only to not make it to the debates.... with Hillary.
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The amazing part is he's only been the official nominee for 3 1/2 weeks. And look at all the amazing things that have happened since then,
 
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giga said:
WSJ Editorial Board, notoriously conservative, echoes NYT report and asks Trump to step aside if he can't/won't change: http://www.wsj.com/articles/trumps-self-reckoning-1471213081
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The tragedy is that this is happening in a year when Republicans should win. The political scientist Alan Abramowitz has spent years developing his “time for a change” forecasting model. The model looks at the rate of GDP growth in the second quarter of an election year (1.2% this year), the incumbent President’s approval rating, and the electorate’s desire for change after one party has held the White House for eight years.

No model is perfect, but Mr. Abramowitz’s has predicted the winner of the major-party popular vote in every presidential election since 1988. His model predicts that Mr. Trump should win a narrow victory with 51.4%. A mainstream GOP candidate who runs a reasonably competent campaign would have about a 66% chance of victory.
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LOL

Get fucked GOP.
 
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orthodoxy1095 said:
Does he seriously still have no ground teams and no ad spending?

Sheesh.
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This was probably my #1 "What the FUCK?!" thing about Trump's campaign. I ranted and expressed amazement about this for the longest time. Modern campaigns live and breathe data, GOTV, etc.

But then the past two weeks happened.
 
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HylianTom said:
This was probably my #1 "What the FUCK?!" thing about Trump's campaign. I ranted and expressed amazement about this for the longest time. Modern campaigns live and breathe data, GOTV, etc.

But then the past two weeks happened.
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Actually now that I think about it, I've heard all kinds of state race ads, and seen Hillary ads (here in MO) but no Trump stuff.

Bizarre. Just when I thought he couldn't shock me anymore.
 
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water_wendi said:
No because supposedly he is losing business and money from people learning he is a madman. Cant find the article on it right now but ill try to dig it up.
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Yeah, it's a good idea on paper but it only works if he's charismatic and making a nice case that doesn't get him into the White House but makes people want to do business with his brand. This is just unveiling how much of a little shit he really is.
 
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So is the GOP going to bring out Romney/Jeb! in a blaze of glory to take the reigns from crazy Donald and make an image that the party is still strong and winning? Are they setting this up? Or is Trump just going to crash and burn?
 
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orthodoxy1095 said:
Does he seriously still have no ground teams and no ad spending?

Sheesh.
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Nope. I'd have thought that he had no way to build up fundraising either, but he did manage quite a bit of money for July. However, Trump's inability to spend it effectively sort of renders the matter moot.

The funny thing about all this is that Trump's targeting people who don't normally vote, but the thing is, they're not going to vote this time either unless a lot of effort is expended into bringing them out. And so his overall strategies are destroying one another. It's one of the several reasons why I've never bought that Trump would have much of a chance in the general election.

innervision961 said:
So is the GOP going to bring out Romney/Jeb! in a blaze of glory to take the reigns from crazy Donald and make an image that the party is still strong and winning? Are they setting this up? Or is Trump just going to crash and burn?
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It's too late for any one other than Trump and Pence to get on the ballots in several states. So the RNC doesn't have a B plan - this is it no matter how much they're going to suffer.
 
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Supersonic, idiotic, disconnecting, not respecting, who would really ever wanna go and top that
orthodoxy1095 said:
Actually now that I think about it, I've heard all kinds of state race ads, and seen Hillary ads (here in MO) but no Trump stuff.

Bizarre. Just when I thought he couldn't shock me anymore.
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His campaign has literally put more effort into selling Make America Great Again hats than in buying ads or putting up field offices in battleground states.
 
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orthodoxy1095 said:
Actually now that I think about it, I've heard all kinds of state race ads, and seen Hillary ads (here in MO) but no Trump stuff.

Bizarre. Just when I thought he couldn't shock me anymore.
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There's Trump stuff in Florida, but I'm pretty sure that comes from PACs. Definitely saw some NRA ones. There are more Jill Stein commercials in florida than Trump ones, though,
 
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In Key States, The Trump Campaign Still Lags Badly

More disarray stories.

In key swing states like Florida, the campaign has been operating a bare-bones operation, with one office in Sarasota and four staff. The RNC currently has 75 staffers on the ground in Florida, as well as 1,400 volunteers and fellows in charge of local organizing.
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In North Carolina, which Mitt Romney won in 2012 and where the most recent NBC poll showed Trump nine points behind, it’s unclear where exactly the campaign is based. The office in Fayetteville that had been used for the primary, where Trump held a rally last week, appeared to be shut down when a reporter visited it last week, and an office in Raleigh that had been used during the primary was being used by the local GOP but didn’t appear to be serving as a headquarters.
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In Pennsylvania — a state whose Rust Belt areas should be a natural fit for Trump and where the RNC has 80 paid staffers — the approach has been scattershot, and volunteers are taking matters into their own hands.

Trump’s campaign website still lists an office in Western Pennsylvania — located in Monroeville, outside of Pittsburgh. Although a sign on the door said it had re-opened Aug. 8, it was was locked in the afternoon when a BuzzFeed News reporter stopped by.
A contact listed on the office door, Tricia Cunningham (whose voicemail tells callers to “have a Trumptastic day!”), later explained that the office was no longer an official Trump campaign office. The campaign shut down its Pennsylvania offices after the primary, but she decided to take over the lease and organize her own field office, which is located on the sixth floor of a big office building with a gold exchange on the ground level and a number of doctors offices and salons spread out on different floors.
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In Southwestern Ohio, Trump supporters have again taken matters into their own hands, converting a house into an office because of the lack of organization in the area from the campaign. The house, which is decked out in Trump signs and patriotic bunting, is now operating as a satellite office for the Butler County Republican Party. An organizer at the house declined to talk to a BuzzFeed News reporter and directed questions to the state party, which did not respond to requests for comment.
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Even in New Hampshire, where Trump won handily in the primary and where his former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski has longstanding connections, the campaign’s presence isn’t what it could be.
“They are finally beginning to hire some people,” said former Mitt Romney and John Sununu aide Ryan Williams. “They have one office that I’m aware of. It’s a largely invisible campaign and you’re beginning to see some signs of activity but it’s the type of activity you would see at the beginning of the cycle. They are light years behind the Clinton campaign in New Hampshire. The New Hampshire Trump effort is a ragtag bunch of staffers… but they’re warm bodies and that’s better than having nobody.”
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1 office in FL with 4 staffers in FLORIDA
 
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Steel said:
There's Trump stuff in Florida, but I'm pretty sure that comes from PACs. Definitely saw some NRA ones. There are more Jill Stein commercials in florida than Trump ones, though,
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I actually saw one earlier today from a PAC about bringing steel
(username joke)
jobs back to America.

Let's just all ignore that automation is wiping those out anyway.
 
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GusBus said:
Great post. Reminds me of this piece:
Foursquare Data Shows Trump’s Candidacy Is Hurting His Biz Empire
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-properties-foursquare-data-visits-down

His international reputation is toast, and even amongst the wealthy in America I think he's being viewed as a distasteful, nouveau riche asshole with zero intellectual credibility.
The effect on the Trump empire post campaign will be exciting to behold.
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Yeah, residents of the Trump Tower in Chicago have been embarrassed for months now, according to this piece from the Chicago Tribune (a conservative paper): http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/ct-trump-tower-1209-biz-20151208-story.html
 
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Link said:
Murdoch is still the man in charge and the co-presidents he just installed were both high-ranking officials that worked under Ailes. Nothing is going to change.
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Of course they were, Fox News is still an incredibly profitable segment for Murdoch and America is heading into a contentious election year. Ailes stepping aside wasn't a planned event where everyone had time to find a suitable replacement, it was a chance opportunity because Carlson had the strength to file the lawsuit. The last thing that Fox needs is a power vacuum or problems running FN. As you'll note, the position is now spread between two individuals, there is no one person trusted with the authority Ailes held. I never said that Fox was going to become a centrist news organization. Considering the people who now share the responsibilities running it, one would expect that the propaganda machine will continue mostly uninterrupted.

Rupert Murdoch is retiring from the company he has built. He already appointed James as the new CEO and Lachlan as an executive. While he still owns the majority share of the company, his involvement with the day to day affairs are dwindling. James not only has voiced his support for certain liberal political positions, he has been a proponent of climate change via other non-Fox News areas of his fathers corporation. Fox News may adopt more liberal stances or at least tone down some of the right wing rhetoric now that James Murdoch is the CEO and Ailes is out.
 
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Mumei said:
You are a wonderful person and I like you.
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If you want to read a WSJ article behind a paywall, google the article's title and click on the resulting link to said WSJ page.


It's a self created loophole because the WSJ wants it's pages to be indexed, and be available to those unfamiliar with the WSJ, via Google Search. I've heard that the WSJ is experimenting with randomly closing off the loophole to entice subscriptions, but for now it still works.
 
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Casimir said:
Rupert Murdoch is retiring from the company he has built. He already appointed James as the new CEO and Lachlan as an executive. While he still owns the majority share of the company, his involvement with the day to day affairs are dwindling. James not only has voiced his support for certain liberal political positions, he has been a proponent of climate change via other non-Fox News areas of his fathers corporation. Fox News may adopt more liberal stances or at least tone down some of the right wing rhetoric now that James Murdoch is the CEO and Ailes is out.
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Well James has to live on this planet for another 50 years, Rupert couldn't give a fuck what happens in the next 5 at a guess.
 
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Casimir said:
If you want to read a WSJ article behind a paywall, google the article's title and click on the resulting link to said WSJ page.


It's a self created loophole because the WSJ wants it's pages to be indexed, and be available to those unfamiliar with the WSJ, via Google Search. I've heard that the WSJ is experimenting with randomly closing off the loophole to entice subscriptions, but for now it still works.
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You can just google the whole URL, too.
 
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Link said:
Murdoch is still the man in charge and the co-presidents he just installed were both high-ranking officials that worked under Ailes. Nothing is going to change.
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No one is disputing that the new guy will be right wing just like the old, but especially with Trump you can see areas where the right wing splits.

Ailes is very in tune with what people in rural america like, and have designed his network around that. He's smart enough to know that Palin and Trump won't win any nationwide general elections, but the demographics he aims for are the ones that absolutely love Palin and Trump.

It'll be a very different looking network if he's replaced with a big city born rich conservative.
 
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This is the year we discover just how many people will vote for the Republican for no other reason than the candidate is Republican.

A vile, unproven, unprofessional, lying, racist, narcissistic coward with no campaign to speak of, no policy, no message, no support, and no GOTV campaign.

He'll probably get 40% of the vote.
 
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Taramoor said:
This is the year we discover just how many people will vote for the Republican for no other reason than the candidate is Republican.

A vile, unproven, unprofessional, lying, racist, narcissistic coward with no campaign to speak of, no policy, no message, no support, and no GOTV campaign.

He'll probably get 40% of the vote.
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Some are definitely voting for him because he is racist like they are.
 
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