The Lone Courier
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Wow the game we got was a shell of itself.
Reddit Compiles Definitive List of All NMS Missing Features/False Marketing +Sources
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Having played a significant amount, I feel similarly. It's close to what I expected given what was told and what I saw.
But it still has a lot of problems regardless of what is or isn't there.
CharminUltra
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Smol stuh dee OH
All I want is a reasonable return policy. PSN does not have one, so I guess lesson learned.
I'll talk to chat on Monday and see if they give me a goodwill refund. If not, well, having a customer feel lied to and screwed over is a good way to lose that customer. $79.99 cnd, smhlol.
VlaudTheImpaler
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The point of the list is not to judge the quality of the game. Just the quality of the people involved.
Which is why I don't think this huge list is a big deal. The core experience that they wanted to deliver is there. Of course the tiny details are going to change, that's just game development.
You would see a list 10x this size on any other game's change log internally, it's just not usually public.
Despite the grandiose marketing, I've been expecting a minecraftish zone-put space exploration game with light RPG and creating elements, which is what the game is (only put in a couple hours, I'll be knees deep in it next week)
So for me, I'm not terribly disappointed with how the game came out. I'm fully aware I'm not deep enough into it, so I can't guarantee it works as a long-lasting FUN game (I'm going to put in the 60-odd hours to beat it though) but it seems pretty serviceable.
I've been molyneuxed too many times to sincerely accept that all the hype-building "this is our vision" stuff as fact. Their vision is great and all, but the game that actually came out seems like more or less what I was expecting, minus the complete lack of any multiplayer elements at all which is a legit surprise to me and is a bummer.
In regards to the stupid monsters, they DID say that the stuff in the trailers was purposefully crafted to be more earthlike to get people into it, and that the actual stuff was going to be weirder.
It seems like hyping their vision (and occasionally blatantly removing things that were "absolutely" in the game) has really cucked them in the end. To Sean's credit he did verbally say he was trying not to over promise.
I feel like the issue comes from about half corporate hype-culture, and part from the frothing fanbase who had the absolute highest expect ions humanly possible for this game.
So for me, I'm not terribly disappointed with how the game came out. I'm fully aware I'm not deep enough into it, so I can't guarantee it works as a long-lasting FUN game (I'm going to put in the 60-odd hours to beat it though) but it seems pretty serviceable.
I've been molyneuxed too many times to sincerely accept that all the hype-building "this is our vision" stuff as fact. Their vision is great and all, but the game that actually came out seems like more or less what I was expecting, minus the complete lack of any multiplayer elements at all which is a legit surprise to me and is a bummer.
In regards to the stupid monsters, they DID say that the stuff in the trailers was purposefully crafted to be more earthlike to get people into it, and that the actual stuff was going to be weirder.
It seems like hyping their vision (and occasionally blatantly removing things that were "absolutely" in the game) has really cucked them in the end. To Sean's credit he did verbally say he was trying not to over promise.
I feel like the issue comes from about half corporate hype-culture, and part from the frothing fanbase who had the absolute highest expect ions humanly possible for this game.
Gamer @ Heart
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People keep spewing this. It doesn't fucking matter.
This is a full priced game with a huge marketing push by Sony. Why the fuck should the consumer care about the size of the team behind it? How does that magically erase their frustration or disappointment of paying for a game that didn't live up to what the games creator himself said it would be?
Enter the Dragon Punch
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has anyone been to all 18,000,000,000,000,000,000 planets?
no?
then how do we know these features aren't just super rare? the game is about exploration, not datamining and interviews. there's multiplayer if you believe it, just invite a friend over.
no?
then how do we know these features aren't just super rare? the game is about exploration, not datamining and interviews. there's multiplayer if you believe it, just invite a friend over.
I'm really disappointed by this but I'm still gonna get it on sale
A lot of small studios have their games at a lower price and were either kickstarted or in early access.
TheFinalCut
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Fully agree. There were quite a few features that were changed or dropped but the core experience of exploration they delivered on. At least for myself that's true.
Ballistics
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I feel bad for what I said...and I know I'll still buy it...they have patches these days...and if not, I can just name planets with funny names...right guys!? That's what it's all about, isn't it? The truth is, the real universe is more lonely
And you even have to pay more money to get what was promised! I don't know what all the fuss is about.
My favorite bizarre behavior in the game that I've observed:
- Pieces of destroyed landscape objects ignore gravity
- Already-mined mineral deposits still appear whole if you're standing more than fifty yards or so away
- Precipitation is invisible unless you're directly under it
- Underwater destinations are actually there only some of the time
- You don't have to wait for the Mining Beam to recharge as long as you don't let it overheat
- Scanning plants during a storm causes them to freeze and stop blowing in the wind even after you release the scanning visor
- Can infinitely trade off between two "recharging" effects (Jetpack/Oxygen, Jetpack/Stamina)
EDIT: - If you fly into a space station under Pulse Engine power your ship will come to a stop and just spin dizzily next to the station's outer wall
- Pieces of destroyed landscape objects ignore gravity
- Already-mined mineral deposits still appear whole if you're standing more than fifty yards or so away
- Precipitation is invisible unless you're directly under it
- Underwater destinations are actually there only some of the time
- You don't have to wait for the Mining Beam to recharge as long as you don't let it overheat
- Scanning plants during a storm causes them to freeze and stop blowing in the wind even after you release the scanning visor
- Can infinitely trade off between two "recharging" effects (Jetpack/Oxygen, Jetpack/Stamina)
EDIT: - If you fly into a space station under Pulse Engine power your ship will come to a stop and just spin dizzily next to the station's outer wall
I think you're exaggerating the difficulty of talking about the game in a way that manages expectations. For example, let's consider the multiplayer question. Here's how I would answer it:
"Mulitplayer? Yes, right now we're aiming to incorporate a version of that, something that looks a little like dark souls, only with less interactivity between players. But it's a big challenge for us in a game of this scale, so it's not yet a locked-down feature."
The game is easy mode to the core. At no point do you get a real challenge. You can't even crash your ship. That makes the grind really feel like a grind because the minute-to-minute gameplay poses no challenge and is therefore boring. If I'm not challenged in any way, it's not much of a game IMO.
Even in earlier demos it seemed like sentinels were much more aggressive and the space battles seemed much more dangerous. What we ended up with were easy-mode sentinels that pose zero challenge once you upgrade a few things and handfuls of space pirates that seem to be able to fly right through the freighters they're attacking and even if you run out of oxides to replenish your shields, all your stuff is waiting for you with zero setbacks upon death.
I've died 3 times total since the game's release. That's really pathetic for a game. I die in Minecraft much easier.
For a game described as a "survival game", it's certainly light (non-existent) on the challenging survival content. It's a leisurely Sunday drive in space.
Even in earlier demos it seemed like sentinels were much more aggressive and the space battles seemed much more dangerous. What we ended up with were easy-mode sentinels that pose zero challenge once you upgrade a few things and handfuls of space pirates that seem to be able to fly right through the freighters they're attacking and even if you run out of oxides to replenish your shields, all your stuff is waiting for you with zero setbacks upon death.
I've died 3 times total since the game's release. That's really pathetic for a game. I die in Minecraft much easier.
For a game described as a "survival game", it's certainly light (non-existent) on the challenging survival content. It's a leisurely Sunday drive in space.
I think most can agree that the multiplayer is the big thing that should have been communicated better. But this giant list isn't damning at all. The only thing it proves is that NMS was made like every other game, through iteration.
Man I guess I'm just out of touch with the Youtube style or something because I watched this whole video and barely understood it. Such a scattershot way of presenting... whatever it was it was presenting.
Ollie Pooch
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And you start out with a crashed ship to fix. Not a huge deal though, just kinda funny. At least it won't ever crash again!
At this point I've got to be honest and say that I'm flabbergasted anyone's defending him. And I like the game.
If he had took the bull by the horns at release and cleared the air, I may well have given him the benefit of the doubt. Ask yourself: Why didn't he do that?!?
The reason has to be that he thinks he'll sell more copies if customers aren't informed. That they stay in the dark about the promises not being delivered upon. And that's a disgusting sales practice. I just imagine what these threads would be like if it was Ubisoft refusing to confirm whether or not a promised feature was cut, this amidst a big downgrade from trailers and demos shown mere months before release... would there be so much slack given?
Of course not.
One day Murray will have to address this as Molyneux used to have to. I will be utterly fascinated with what excuses he comes up with, especially regarding his failure to communicate at launch when he'd been tweeting non-stop for the 29 days previous.
If he had took the bull by the horns at release and cleared the air, I may well have given him the benefit of the doubt. Ask yourself: Why didn't he do that?!?
The reason has to be that he thinks he'll sell more copies if customers aren't informed. That they stay in the dark about the promises not being delivered upon. And that's a disgusting sales practice. I just imagine what these threads would be like if it was Ubisoft refusing to confirm whether or not a promised feature was cut, this amidst a big downgrade from trailers and demos shown mere months before release... would there be so much slack given?
Of course not.
One day Murray will have to address this as Molyneux used to have to. I will be utterly fascinated with what excuses he comes up with, especially regarding his failure to communicate at launch when he'd been tweeting non-stop for the 29 days previous.
falconxcrunner09
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Holy shit that's a lot.
That flood must have REALLY set them back god damn
That flood must have REALLY set them back god damn
Its not any different from Crowbcats other videos. Hes presenting you with footage that has some humorous editing in a neat bundle so that others can understand controversy surrounding a topic.
His video about CSGO/TF2 unboxing is way better.
Icyflamez96
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What happened to the abstract 2001: A Space Odyssey-esque opening sequence that was said to exist, or did they think the star map zoom through was equivalent to that description?
I think if you read the list carefully, you'll see that some of the features profoundly impact the overall feel of the game. Also, it isn't just about each feature in isolation, it is how they add up to create the play experience.
https://twitter.com/Britbongreturns/status/765190830894317568
I admit that the above tweet is flippant, but the point is about overall feel.
Except the game isn't even nearly that glitchy. I haven't experienced a single glitch, actually. So it's all just bullshit.
Seen the list and having put tons and tons of hours in already... These lists people make are more "I haven't seen it so therefore it doesn't exist and never made it"
I have seen things others haven't. I have been many places no one has been.
People can't grasp just how many 18quintillion is.
I have seen things others haven't. I have been many places no one has been.
People can't grasp just how many 18quintillion is.
Interesting read, thanks for the link.
While I enjoy the game, I agree that it's a compounding of all these things that's really the problem. All the features that are missing all add to the 'simulation' nature of a lot of early footage. And this is mostly the faction and fleet interactions. In general everything just feels static and that is such an integral issue. I don't mind the sort of mundane survival gameplay if there were actually many systems at work to vary up the game but currently they are not there.
GoldenCrow
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This is why large companies attempt to filter everything through PR people and don't let creatives or programers talk to press whilst projects are still on going as the final product is rarely like the pitch.
I can tell you why. He is inexperienced at the business side of games and his team was inexperienced in general and none of them had no clue what they were doing (beyond their specific specialty) and how to properly manage community and publisher expectations.
And it doesn't help that this dude is a exaggerator extraordinaire and the comparisons to Molyneux are spot on.
The first time I saw this game at the E3 reveal I guffawed at what they claimed they could do with a team of that size. To actually do what he claimed would have required a team of 200+ people. Think of an Ubisoft game; that's the number and level of artists and programmers that would have been required to pull off what he was claiming.
In game development talking about what you want to do and showing features that are in reality maybe 50% done is always bad because your game's fans will expect those features to be in the game. No matter how impossible they may become to implement.
Hoisted by his own petard.
VlaudTheImpaler
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exmachina64
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Then it should have been PC-only.
They shouldn't have promised so much more than they could deliver on PS4.
Have you seen the PC version?
Requiting because this is a really good post.
I'm disappointed with the game even if I like it but the pitchforking after Sean is ridiculous.
CyberPunked
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Have you seen anything that would invalidate anything in his list?
If a feature is rare enough that no one has actually seen it, or that only a handful will ever see it, then that's functionally the same as that feature not being in the game at all.
In fairness, the guy has been correcting his list whenever people showed him evidence of something on it actually being in the game. Take a picture of something you've seen that he claims isn't in and send it.
I've seen every glitch in that video bar polygon rendering issues.
Read the OT - it's full of people who have had the game crash 20 or more times. I've personally had it crash over 35 times, which is actually why I'm on GAF right now as it reloads.
It is anything but bullshit.