You may want to look again at the scene where Gladio's sis tries to flirt with Noct again. Its probably just that the areas they showed off during that time of day weren't sprawling.
Final Fantasy XV - 50 min video
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You may want to look again at the scene where Gladio's sis tries to flirt with Noct again. Its probably just that the areas they showed off during that time of day weren't sprawling.
The more i watch Ch.0, the more i think it's most definitely the worst opening to a FF ever
I wonder if removing it is out of the question.
If the only reason for that segment is to display the physical evolution characters will go through then, well, it's on the internet now.
Death Penalty
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My biggest fear for the game at this point is a lack of depth to the combat and this video did very little to assuage my fears. Why is so much of it automated? I'd come to terms with the idea of the hold to guard and hold to attack stuff, that's fine. But the link attacks are completely random? The summons only come when you meet conditions such as dying or your allies dying? They removed most on command abilities for Noctis? Damn man. Tabata's team seems to put too little stock in player agency. The only meaningful thing I see to break up holding to attack/guard is casting magic, and the system for it was distressingly clunky in the Platinum Demo with gameplay features added in to make it even more difficult. I just don't understand this combat design.
Read some of the impressions from the people who played it. It won't ease all your fears but it isn't as braindead as you think it is. Also it's been confirmed since last year that summons won't be used like that.
The more i watch Ch.0, the more i think it's most definitely the worst opening to a FF ever
I think there is more. When it says "Before the fall" I expect that it goes to a cutscene before they leave Insomnia. They probably skipped it because this is a gameplay video.
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
I don't think that's the full opening. They cutted chapter 0 from what I understand. and I'm pretty sure an FMV will be there too, before or at the end of chap 0.
The Emperor
Member
Just LOOOVEEE how it looks.
I'mma let ya finish guys but I love some anime influenced characters talkin anime-like and the story having some of those tropes in it. I get sooo bored by WRPG story direction...just find them all mostly dull. (mostly the medieval types...western stories can be great...dreamfall, longest journey, dreamfall chapters for example).
Now if the dub was at Type-0 level of fail I'd be complaining too.
Overall I love the feeling of adventure the video gave.
My main concern remains the pacing of the plot and nice well directed cut scenes. XIII's cut scenes were well directed, whatever the content may be, Toriyama can direct events keeping in mind cinematography and so on. Type-0 had terrriblyyyy directed cut scenes with awkward editing and random ends to scenes...in fact the Chapter 0 abrupt end and some of the cut scenes in this XV video remind me of Type-0's awkward cut scenes. So that makes me very afraid...very very afraid.
I know now the gameplay I'll like, characters I'll like too, music I will LOVE, dialogue etc...cringey but fine...I can take it, overall story arc being simple? great! But the direction of the scenes to make the drama compelling? Very concerned...
I'mma let ya finish guys but I love some anime influenced characters talkin anime-like and the story having some of those tropes in it. I get sooo bored by WRPG story direction...just find them all mostly dull. (mostly the medieval types...western stories can be great...dreamfall, longest journey, dreamfall chapters for example).
Now if the dub was at Type-0 level of fail I'd be complaining too.
Overall I love the feeling of adventure the video gave.
My main concern remains the pacing of the plot and nice well directed cut scenes. XIII's cut scenes were well directed, whatever the content may be, Toriyama can direct events keeping in mind cinematography and so on. Type-0 had terrriblyyyy directed cut scenes with awkward editing and random ends to scenes...in fact the Chapter 0 abrupt end and some of the cut scenes in this XV video remind me of Type-0's awkward cut scenes. So that makes me very afraid...very very afraid.
I know now the gameplay I'll like, characters I'll like too, music I will LOVE, dialogue etc...cringey but fine...I can take it, overall story arc being simple? great! But the direction of the scenes to make the drama compelling? Very concerned...
Doubtful. I don't personally think so. Seems to be what they wanted to show of Chapter 0 and it seems to be edited out to me. Just like many things in the video.
EDIT:
That makes sense. Thanks
Thickstone
Member
Isn't it a bit premature to be so hysterical about the graphics?
From what I gather this is a build without the Day 1 patch and the 2 month polish. There's still time left to make it prettier.
I'm not that fussed about the graphics btw but many posters here seem to have a really strong (mostly negative) opinion about it...
From what I gather this is a build without the Day 1 patch and the 2 month polish. There's still time left to make it prettier.
I'm not that fussed about the graphics btw but many posters here seem to have a really strong (mostly negative) opinion about it...
According to Kagari that's pretty much it except for a CG scene afterwards. Unless I read that wrong.
Someone said Kagari said that it is.
Death Penalty
Member
I did read them, and one from an author I very much respect raised the same concern. The Ascension tree seems pretty barebones and the writer saw little to suggest the core gameplay loop would see much meaningful updating. The summon thing I'm getting from a far more recent interview where Tabata stated you must satisfy certain conditions which can include Noctis going critical or his allies going critical depending on the summon, among other conditions. The core point is that they are not triggered at will, giving you lessened control over yet another battle feature.
The Emperor
Member
Someone said that Kagari said that it was
brandonh83
Banned
That opening looked awesome. It doesn't feel like the whole thing though. The visual design was nice.
I'm gonna go at this one at a time, sorry.
It doesn't seem so. There is a sub-objective in one of the fights to get a select amount of link attacks to get more AP. If it was completely random, that would be silly. I'm guessing you have to do specific thing near specific party members to activate them.
Its been confirmed since Episode Duscae that this is not the case.
No the haven't. Each weapon type has specific attacks when holding the attack button and using a direction on the analog stick. Many of the command abilities for Noctis have been appropriated to these analog stick variants or into the "stop holding, and then press attack" attacks.
Missed the command abilities for the allies? How about how you can synth your own magic? Wait mode? Idk about you, but the battle system seems approachable, but potentially deep to me.
It doesn't seem so. There is a sub-objective in one of the fights to get a select amount of link attacks to get more AP. If it was completely random, that would be silly. I'm guessing you have to do specific thing near specific party members to activate them.
Its been confirmed since Episode Duscae that this is not the case.
No the haven't. Each weapon type has specific attacks when holding the attack button and using a direction on the analog stick. Many of the command abilities for Noctis have been appropriated to these analog stick variants or into the "stop holding, and then press attack" attacks.
Missed the command abilities for the allies? How about how you can synth your own magic? Wait mode? Idk about you, but the battle system seems approachable, but potentially deep to me.
The Emperor
Member
Also what is it with some people in XV cutscene/story threads saying FF stories should be westernised?
Why do you assume Japan has no good storytellers?
Why not hope for S-E to actually hire professional writers from Japan to make FF stories? They really need to do this! Hell just get Nojima to do it, he's a freelancer!
I wonder if it is a pride thing with S-E wherein stories must be developed in house completely. It's not enough that they make a concept and let other writers flesh it out
Why do you assume Japan has no good storytellers?
Why not hope for S-E to actually hire professional writers from Japan to make FF stories? They really need to do this! Hell just get Nojima to do it, he's a freelancer!
I wonder if it is a pride thing with S-E wherein stories must be developed in house completely. It's not enough that they make a concept and let other writers flesh it out
birthbysleep
Member
We know that there is a CG cutscene where Regis sends of the bros after Ch. 0.
Im willing to bet there is a CG cutscene before Ch. 0 starts but they're keeping it under wraps for now.
A CG scene...of them leaving Insomnia. Right?
lol yea my bad. But I think we've seen that CG scene as well. Was pretty uneventful. All of Chapter 0 seems bad and pointless. Tabata talked it up as it being this boss battle you can't win against like in FF2 but we barely even fight the boss at all.
A CG scene...of them leaving Insomnia. Right?
I can't imagine them not showing
Regis in the game while he's still alive
That would be stupid.
It's the only location they have for Insomnia lol.
Daphnes Nohansen Hyrule
Member
Mmmm, looking better that's for sure. I don't know why but the UI reminds me of Gran Turismo lol.
As duckroll said, i hope the search for spiritual weapons don't get too repetitive and the stories behind each tomb are worth remembering.
As duckroll said, i hope the search for spiritual weapons don't get too repetitive and the stories behind each tomb are worth remembering.
Well the E3 trailer shows Ardyn in the actual throne room, the one that can be seen in KG.
Yeah but I consider that chap 1 already.
Death Penalty
Member
You can do certain things like attack an enemy from behind to increase the odds of a link, but previews have stated it's random. You'll note even in that carefully prepared gameplay snippet the player failed to meet the condition.
Read my response to the other person who said this. Tabata has stated, recently, that conditions must be met in order to summon which include among other potential conditions being in critical state or your party being in critical state. The exact conditions depend on the summon. Not all summons are called that way, but the main point is you do not call them at will with your own resources.
This leaves room for one or two abilities per weapon type where in interviews it was suggested most weapons would come with their own unique attacks. This is a massive downgrade and essentially makes the abilities little more than attack patterns for the weapon, something that exacerbates the lack of meaningful variety.
No, I'm well aware of all the options available and have been following this game for ages. Synthesizing your own magic is an interesting mechanic, but it's not an in-combat option. The party attacks are nice, but don't originate from the player character. Wait mode is just a slowed down version of the combat, I don't see how that provides options or depth the normal mode does not.
Its the sounds in the menu
lolIf it happens before the loading screen to chapter 1, its still part of chapter 0!
Weird and disappointing
is it hard to make one small new room for the final boss? From do it all the time with their bosses lol
brandonh83
Banned
Is it confirmed to be the final boss? Why would they show it a few months before release after a wait like this?
Perfo
Thirteen flew over the cuckoo's nest
Well btw if that in chapter 0 is as I guess
(identical design to Amano's works), does that mean
Ifrit
bearded Noctis will be available to play for longer than just the ending? I guess that's not from the final scenes cause I don't think they're around collecting summons just before the end...
KZXcellent
Member
I don't think it is. Makes more sense that it's the beginning of the end and there's more after that point.
brandonh83
Banned
Yeah I kinda find it hard to believe otherwise.
Hentailover
Member
They didn't show the final boss months before release. They showed the beginning of the game. Now, said beginning of the game did show the final boss, however.
semantics
My guess is that
this is the second to last big event of the game. They return to Insomnia fight Ifrit, fight the final villain. But then a twist or another big bad occurs. After that we get the ending type scene. I think it'll be like in those moments in WRPGS where the game tells you this a point of no return.
Also we don't know how the
Red sky/Plague of the stars
red sky in the TGS trailer Noctis is still young.
KZXcellent
Member
Plus it's something you see in stories all the time. They throw you into the middle of a big moment in the plot, and then start from the beginning so you can get back to that point and see what's beyond it. I can't really recall many games that show you the final boss encounter and then just cut to the start of the game.
I'm not sure, but if it's not the final boss then it's probably not too far from it considering how old Noctis looks there and I doubt Noctis will get older early in the game.
Nice! Thanks for all the hard work getting it up. My eyes need that uncompressed goodness
brandonh83
Banned
At any rate the last day has really gotten me excited for it. I find the direction of certain things interesting and the new video was really good.
Death Penalty
Member
The worst part of Chapter 0 is that instead of using it to show what a badass you'll become (the proper way to use this narrative trope) they make Noctis look like a totally helpless loser. He pants and squints at the flame, walks forward gormlessly, gets caught on fire and panics about it, end Chapter 0.
What on earth?
What on earth?
It is very likely not the final boss. I'm pretty sure that was actually Ifrit and Noctis is fighting him just like the other astrals in the game, like Titan, Ramuh and Leviathan to get his assistence for the real main baddy,
You want the bad ass but you need the good pussy.
The Emperor
Member
Yup had we seen something like all the swords flying around him and some superhuman moves and then him defeated so it harkens back to FFII opening it would've been much better.
The only narrative point I can get from it is the unity of the bros saving him and huddling together.
brandonh83
Banned
Possibly plenty of unknown context. I also think that these kinds of openings actually DO paint a break picture. Cold openings are typically about showing a character in a bad situation and it makes you wonder what it's about and how they're going to get out of it.
Mission Impossible 3 comes to mind.