Would make sense with the systems they have in place. They always difference between Leader Abilities and Civilization Abilities in there marketing material. A different leader would not only come with a different ability, but also with different main agendas, which could create interesting combinations.
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I expressed the same opinion, but for whatever reason he's a must to many, even though there have been other similar mainstay leaders since the first game that have changed in the past and have changed in Civ VI without issue. Like Alexander the Great or Elizabeth I getting the boot for the first time. Or previously with Julius Caesar, Mao and Monty II getting booted in Civ V.
India has one of the richest and oldest histories in the world, yet we get stuck with the same guy in every game, who technically wasn't even an actual ruler or government official of any kind, just the leader of a political movement. Albeit an extremely important and influential one.
Many of the Civ VI leaders are either totally new or were only featured once before in the series, mostly as DLC leaders. Gandhi and Cleopatra are the standouts as series regulars and I find it kind of sad we didn't get new people in for them as well since both countries/regions have really amazing histories with so many interesting people to choose from.
decoyplatypus
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Civ 4 had Asoka. It is disappointing that they've gone so far to change up some other Civ leaders (US=Teddy, French=Cat, German = Barbarossa), but Ghandi's sticking around. I guess they just liked his personality type for the agenda system better than their alternatives.
Pagusas
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I always figured its because Indian history is one rarely taught in the western world, except of course for Gandhi. We learn about Europe countries a ton, Japan because of WW2, China gets a bit more coverage now because of its early history interactions with Europe and its budding superpower statues, hell we even learn a lot about Australia and South American countries due to their relations with Europe and the US. But India? Seems to get skipped over by most western history classes.
All the more reason to expose people to other leaders.
NyMartin90
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That was apparently the reason they skipped the Mongols for Scythia so why not
decoyplatypus
Member
Well, it's true that Indian history doesn't feature in much U.S. primary/secondary education or popular culture (I can't speak for other Western countries), but Firaxis is happy to dig deeper for Civ material. I'm betting more than 50% of Civ 6 players will be meeting Tomyris for the first time this fall.
Gandhi getting the call again is probably a combination of series tradition and an agenda the designers liked too much to pass up. I am certain they bandied about a couple of other names, just as they did for the U.S.
Maybe Kublai Khan would be cool instead.
Pagusas
Elden Member
I do agree. Though its a consumer product first and having culturally significant characters people can identify with helps sales, I can see the marketing reasons to have a figure like him in there, especially as it seems everyone associates bald, thin india guy with glasses = Gandhi.
But I agree with everyone else, I'd like more history and lessons inside civ. could be a great way to get people to learn more about history. I also wish Wonders had a lot more information associated with them.
decoyplatypus
Member
I would be fine going to fewer wonders with more-detailed wonder slideshows/movies. When I first played Civ 2, part of the fun of building wonders was identifying their place in human history (who built them, what they meant to their builders, what they meant to later generations) as I set them down in my imagined cities. Granted, I don't think about wonders that way any more because I've played hundred and hundreds of hours and just register the bonus and move on. But there are always new players to think of. And I'd still be happy to see more photos/artwork.
Clark W Grizwald
Banned
Fuck....just realized this comes out on a Friday, along with BF1. What a glorious weekend for PC gamers that is going to be!
16 civs on that screen, so 2 more to "reveal"
More like 6 more to reveal going by the portrait chart that was spied in one of their videos.
Fragamemnon
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Have you read the Civiliopedia in Civ 5? It's extremely well written and goes into a lot of detail about things-it's like a very concise/brief Wikipedia article. It's also not a layout disaster like Civ4's was for actually reading content.
Wonders have their own tile in Civ 6 and will display their majesty in your cities a whole lot more than they ever have in a Civ game.
disclaimer: I dislike the frill behind wonders and the palace and such. Give me my bonuses and let me continue to min-max with minimal hard interruption, thanks.
For base game? Two. There are 18 civs in the base game.
Huw_Dawson
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Fuck Gandhi, man.
decoyplatypus
Member
Sure. They could add him as a Mongolian leader or, in theory, as a second Chinese leader. Best case scenario would be a Mongolian civ with Genghis and Kublai Khan -- one for bloodthirsty players and one for players who want a more sedentary/cultured spin on the same civ.
you missed the civilopedia leak, we know all of them know.
Huh I missed that bit of info. Disappointing and a little confusing.
No, I saw it. I had just somehow missed that the base game only ships with 18 civs, despite the old leak showing 22. So of the 16 shown in the Civlopedia leak I was saying there are 6 more in the game. But I was wrong.
That means though that the Civlopedia list also includes DLC civs because the ones we don't see: Teddy, Trajan, Tomyris and Victoria makes for 20 civs, not 18, and we know 3 of those 4 are in the base game as they've already been introduced and it's very unlikely they'll leave Rome out. That then leaves Jodwiga of Poland and Isabella as being totally MIA from the other leak.
So what other 2 from that list of 16 on the Civlopeida is getting the axe? Either Gorgo or Pericles make sense, but we still need a second civ to go with them. Saladin, Mvembe, Harald, Philip II, Peter I or Gilgamesh? I guess that was Gothos' original point.
dapperbandit
Banned
I'm hoping for multiple leaders per civ. That could totally mix up the agendas as well as unique bonuses.
That said, didn't only half of the civ in IV have an alternate leader?
That said, didn't only half of the civ in IV have an alternate leader?
Civ IV was weird. Like a bit less than half did have alternates with all the expansions, but a bunch of them even had 3 leaders. Civ II is the game that had two leaders for all the civs though.
Sadly more leaders generally means fewer civs. I'd love for each civ to have two leaders, but that would probably mean we wouldn't match the crazy 43 civs we saw in Civ V.
decoyplatypus
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Firaxis may consider waiting and seeing how well the base leaders' agendas play out before they decide how many more unique agendas they want to come up with. That said there's bound to be agenda overlap. I think Hojo and Cleo both like strong militaries, but Hojo also needs that military to be supported by faith/culture production. I could see a situation where, say, Hattie joins the game, and she shares Qin's focus on wonder-building, but she actually likes players who do the same.
Boss Doggie
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I looked him up,
that's why I thought they could just make him "half" viking since he has post-Viking exploits
NamelessMonk
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Sorry, I'm late to this thread. Just a few things I wanted to know (couldn't find them myself):
1. Any Sub-saharan civs announced? A lot of the civs I've seen so far are the usuals.
2. Is there a definite list of revealed and unrevealed civilizations and leaders yet...?
Thanks in advance.
1. Any Sub-saharan civs announced? A lot of the civs I've seen so far are the usuals.
2. Is there a definite list of revealed and unrevealed civilizations and leaders yet...?
Thanks in advance.
decoyplatypus
Member
We have what we think is a complete list of civs/leaders in the base game. I've put an asterisk next to unrevealed ones.
American (Theodore Roosevelt)
Arabian (Saladin)*
Aztec (Montezuma)
Brazilian (Pedro II)
Chinese (Qin Shi Huang)
Egyptian (Cleopatra)
English (Victoria)
French (Catherine de Medici)
German (Barbarossa)
Greek (Pericles/Gorgo)*
Indian (Gandhi)*
Japanese (Hojo)
Kongolese (Mvemba a Nzinga)*
Norse (Harald Hardrada)*
Roman (Trajan)*
Russian (Peter the Great)*
Scythian (Tomyris)
Spanish (Phillip II)*
Sumerian (Gilgamesh)*
As you can see, there is one unannounced sub-Saharan civ.
Arabian (Saladin)*
Aztec (Montezuma)
Brazilian (Pedro II)
Chinese (Qin Shi Huang)
Egyptian (Cleopatra)
English (Victoria)
French (Catherine de Medici)
German (Barbarossa)
Greek (Pericles/Gorgo)*
Indian (Gandhi)*
Japanese (Hojo)
Kongolese (Mvemba a Nzinga)*
Norse (Harald Hardrada)*
Roman (Trajan)*
Russian (Peter the Great)*
Scythian (Tomyris)
Spanish (Phillip II)*
Sumerian (Gilgamesh)*
As you can see, there is one unannounced sub-Saharan civ.
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Imperfected
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Hope this means more of the "mainstream" leaders are going to be options. I'm glad people are excited to see more dark horse picks, but for me a lot of the fun of Civ is that moment when you realize Genghis Khan and Julius Caesar are tag-teaming against Gandhi and Nobunaga.
There are a few great picks from the new crop (Saladin!), but a lot of them are "dead" spots for me in terms of the alternate history fanfiction wow factor.
decoyplatypus
Member
Saladin was in Civ 4. Or are we just comparing to Civ 5?
I don't have much of a take on dark horses versus old favorites. TR is a fun choice for representing a certain feature of the U.S.'s historical "personality." Barbarossa is a wildly different kind of German and brings the HRE back into the mix. And I'm actually excited to trade Alexander for a returning Pericles or newcomer Gorgo because Alexander doesn't really represent the part of Greek history that interests me.
One Foul Note
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Potentially exciting modding potential there. Being able to make not just entire nations but tweak the existing ones by adding new custom leaders is a step I can get behind.
Imperfected
Member
Mostly just Civ 5.
I mean, I get it. I can totally get trading Napoleon out, for example: he's not exactly a point of French pride, they want more female leaders where possible, and they can sort of sell de Medici as being the real-life Cersei Lannister.
That said? Gorgo vs. Catherine de Medici duking it out just inherently is not as "sexy" as Alexander versus Napoleon. If it doesn't look like a marquee match-up for Epic Rap Battles of History, I probably don't care that much.
(TR's fine, though. The US leaders have always been kind of boring, even when it was Lincoln, with Civ 5 probably taking the best route by just making America such a lame Civ that no one cares who's leading them, anyway.)
Pagusas
Elden Member
I do wish they'd stop gimping the US
. I want to play them for my own national pride, but England always fits my Naval first play style better.Civ 5 mods made the US way better, adding things like modified granaries and lots of frontier bonuses that made them a great Civ to go wide with.
CrocMother
Banned
Hello
Sounds like Civ 4, which is a good thing.
Hello
Where's this taken from?
Boss Doggie
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This makes me wonder if Saladin is actually Egypt
España this week.
Pretty interesting religious civ, better than it was in Civ V. I can see Spain being very good for religious victories.
Pretty interesting religious civ, better than it was in Civ V. I can see Spain being very good for religious victories.
dapperbandit
Banned
The style of the leaders in this game reminds me a little of the Tintin movie they made a few years back
One Foul Note
Member
Definitely more interested in Spain now then in their previous incarnations.
Boss Doggie
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dat aggressive religion spreading, just like my history class says
I'll miss the 500 Gold for WW though, but yeah this new playstyle is interesting
I'll miss the 500 Gold for WW though, but yeah this new playstyle is interesting
Franz Brötchen
Banned
I know where you're coming from because it was a neat idea. But I think that this mechanic was a little too random for a civilization's special ability. At the very least it didn't scale well for different settings (500 gold would prove to be too little or too much money depending on game speed because the number of natural wonders didn't depend on that).
I'd welcome more ambition to make most civilizations viable regardless of specific map properties.
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Boss Doggie
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At first I'm angry they pulled this shit just right after me buying DD, but then I realized it probably won't come in my country.
I'd want that book though.
Imperfected
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The Natural Wonder bonuses for Spain were ridiculously feast or famine, yeah. If a Spain player found a NW that was viable to settle 2-3 turns in, they could spend the +500 gold to immediately pop a settler and have a second city outproducing their capital by turn 10 without even disrupting their build order. I remember a while where if a Spain player had that setup with a decent NW they would just tell the other players so they could concede on the spot and start a new game.
Meanwhile, get hemmed in on a crappy side of the map too far to find any NW first, and with city-states squatting on all the NW settlement locations, and suddenly it's a garbage civ. Particularly exacerbated by some of the NWs spawning in dopey places (gotta love those holy mountains spawning just barely in vision of a one-tile island in the dead center of the sea).
Meanwhile, get hemmed in on a crappy side of the map too far to find any NW first, and with city-states squatting on all the NW settlement locations, and suddenly it's a garbage civ. Particularly exacerbated by some of the NWs spawning in dopey places (gotta love those holy mountains spawning just barely in vision of a one-tile island in the dead center of the sea).
SSPssp
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