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[gofreak]

PS4K is cute, but as mentioned, it may put off those who don't have a 4K TV, and won't make much sense when the PS5K rolls around.

I think PS4.5 does a pretty good job of conveying, "Still a PS4, but better, yet still not quite a PS5."

I don't like PS4K for the same reason as you.

I don't like PS4.5 either though

It'll be PS4-'Some short meaningless suffix here'

It should be something neutral, a naming convention that can be carried over to the next cycle also. Like the iPhone 5 -> 5s, 6 -> 6s. Something reusable. ('K' doesn't work very well in that context either IMO).

Heck, Neo could work as an official reusable suffix. PS4 Neo. I don't know - something like that though.

 

[onQ123]

Again, very strict advertising laws

Neo can do real 4K but checkerboard rendering is more efficient & will have better looking 4K games than what can be archived without using it.

 

[Jarod McChicken]

Hey I said PS4 Ultra first in another thread !

PS4 U, baby

 

[MilkyJoe]

Neo can do real 4K but checkerboard rendering is more efficient & will have better looking 4K games than what can be archived without using it.

it doesn't change the descriptions act. Read what I am saying. That's the law here.

However, the ASA rejected these responses saying it still felt consumers were likely to have believed they could watch the matches in "genuine 4K definition".

Hey I said PS4 Ultra first in another thread !

PS4 U, baby

The controller

 

[anothertech]

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37117584

It's apples and oranges tho, a company getting sued for advertising 4K content directly when there is none is nothing like naming your product PS4K, when it likely has uhd capability. Don't think there's anything concrete in that argument, at least not anything that would hold up in court like that article spelled out.

Also I'm going with

PS4.2TF

Bam

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

It's a console first

The gist of the article as posted says they took issue with the content not actually being 4K, but merely upscaled. That's strict, but it makes sense, but drawing the conclusion they also have a draconian "console first" rule when the Neo is legally registered as a multimedia device, is a pretty big leap outside of the bounds of the article.

Neo/PS4K likely supports 4k UHD blu-ray, so that's native 4k out of the box without any technicalities, given it is a multimedia device, by the points brought up in the article, Sony should be fine.

 

[onQ123]

it doesn't change the descriptions act. Read what I am saying. That's the law here.

Are you not understanding the difference between a broadcast that wasn't 4K & a Console that can do 4K?


because it can do 4K does not mean that it will have to do 4K in every game,


Also a game that is 4K using checkerboard rendering or point based rendering or any other rendering it's still 4K.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Hoping theres some good stuff for the people who own a PS4 and just wants more games

lol

 

[MilkyJoe]

Are you not understanding the difference between a broadcast that wasn't 4K & a Console that can do 4K?


because it can do 4K does not mean that it will have to do 4K in every game,


Also a game that is 4K using checkerboard rendering or point based rendering or any other rendering it's still 4K.

Anything can do 4K if it's simple enough


You must have typed checkerboard rendering more times than "the" in recent weeks.

 

[onQ123]

Posted?

http://www.videogamer.com/news/sony_registers_new_dualshock_4_and_playstation_move_controllers.html

Sony applied for the certification of new DualShock 4 and PlayStation Move controllers with an Indonesian certification agency earlier this month, it's been revealed.

As discovered by Beyond3D forum member orangpelupa, applications for a new PlayStation Move controller (CECH-ZCM1G) and a new DualShock 4 controller (CUH-ZCT2G) were filed with the agency earlier in August, ahead of their expected reveal at next month's PlayStation Meeting.

The agency seems to be the equivalent to the US's FCC, with certification required in order for the devices to legally be put on sale.

A new DualShock 4 controller featuring a front-facing lightbar leaked earlier this week alongside a new PS4 Slim. Neither device has yet to be formally announced. The new PS Move controller, meanwhile, likely features minor revisions over the existing device, as Sony ramps up production for them to go back on sale alongside PlayStation VR later this year.

 

[MilkyJoe]

It's apples and oranges tho, a company getting sued for advertising 4K content directly when there is none is nothing like naming your product PS4K, when it likely has uhd capability. Don't think there's anything concrete in that argument, at least not anything that would hold up in court like that article spelled out.

Also I'm going with

PS4.2TF

Bam

The gist of the article as posted says they took issue with the content not actually being 4K, but merely upscaled. That's strict, but it makes sense, but drawing the conclusion they also have a draconian "console first" rule when the Neo is legally registered as a multimedia device, is a pretty big leap outside of the bounds of the article.

Neo/PS4K likely supports 4k UHD blu-ray, so that's native 4k out of the box without any technicalities, given it is a multimedia device, by the points brought up in the article, Sony should be fine.

That's the grey area in advertisement description. If some dude says "Hey my Playstation games are not in 4K, like i was led to believe, because the badge on the "Playstation" that says "Playstation 4K" implied the "Playstation Games" are native 4K.".... then the ASA will look into it and if they think "he's got a point" then it stands, but if they accept Sony's stance it's a media centre first then they will let it slide.

I'm not saying it should be PS4K or not, I'm saying that past cases show the opportunity to fall foul of the rules is there, based on past cases.

 

[onQ123]

Anything can do 4K if it's simple enough


You must have typed checkerboard rendering more times than "the" in recent weeks.

So think about what you're saying.



You acknowledge that Neo will be able to do 4K but yet you try to draw a connection between Neo & a broadcast not being in 4K.

 

[Backfoggen]

PS4 Doper Edish

 

[wapplew]

Will orchestra reveal themselves?

 

[StrongBlackVine]

Hoping theres some good stuff for the people who own a PS4 and just wants more games

lol

You will get to see new demos of upcoming games running in Neo mode.

 

[MilkyJoe]

So think about what you're saying.



You acknowledge that Neo will be able to do 4K but yet you try to draw a connection between Neo & a broadcast not being in 4K.

How many Neo games do you honestly think will be native 4K?

And re that controller, is that this do you think?

 

[jeff_rigby]

RE price:

This on the XB1 slim price breakdown.

$24 more than the most recent Xbox One teardown analysis conducted in March of this year, primarily due to upgrades in the fabrication of its central processing unit (CPU), the inclusion of a two terabyte (2TB) hard drive and an ultra-high-definition (UHD) BD-ROM player in place of the previous conventional Blu-ray drive.

Retail $399 for the 2 TB model
Retail $299 for the 500 GB model

The XB1 supporting UHD blu-ray and 2TB drive with a manufacturing price increase of $24 indicates UHD support is not going to increase the price.

At Launch in 2013, Research firm IHS reveals combined cost of parts and manufacturing for Microsoft's console to be $471, compared to $381 for PlayStation 4. This indicates Sony does a better job keeping the price lower.

Sony says in 2017 they will exceed gross sales for any year since 1998 and with a 10% profit. The first requires a lower retail price and the latter lower BOM. Since they will have two models Slim and NEO the Slim must be the lower price by a significant margin. Beyond that speculation we do not know Sony's manufacturing costs. With 14nm the PS4 APU should cost less (more chips per wafer), use less power resulting in smaller size and less weight which reduces shipping costs.

$249 for the Slim? Less when the XB1 is Retailing for $299 would be stupid and more when they are attempting the highest gross since 1998 would impact sales.

RE UHD support:

UHD support is not going to increase the price. and the XB1 and PS4 are called UHD capable by Microsoft, Sony and Independent Lab Reports.


Penello of Microsoft says the 2013 XB1 does not support UHD Blu-ray and the XB1 "S" UHD drive required a firmware update and different Lens. I don't know how accurate that is but if true a UHD drive for Embedded/Game console should cost the same as a HD blu-ray drive.

HDMI 2 requires HDCP 2.2 in the TEE as a software routine which is also used for Playready, Miracast and Vidipath DRM for 1080P and higher. This reduces the price of a HDMI 2 Transmitter/source chip compared to a HDMI 1.4 chip which has to support HDCP in the chip. The PS4 has a custom HDMI chip which may be there to support HDMI 2 or it could be there to reduce the price.

HEVC codec with hardware accelerators amortized over millions of consoles probably $1 more than HD Codecs compared to HEVC codec running on a more powerful DSP without hardware accelerators $10.

Edit FYI: UHD commercial media requires encrypted media entering the TEE controlled environment and Encrypted Media exits the TEE; for UHD Blu-ray, AACS2 enters and HDCP 2.2 exits to the HDMI chip or LAN. For streaming IPTV, DRM media encrypted using C-ENC format enters and HDCP 2.2 exits. For both, Codec, Player/framebuffer HDR in the TEE between the two encryption standards. .

 

[Guymelef]

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$249 for the Slim?

There you are people.

Now Slim won't be $249.

 

[onQ123]

How many Neo games do you honestly think will be native 4K?

And re that controller, is that this do you think?

Neo being called PS4K wouldn't be any different from all the 4K TVs that are being sold with the name 4K on them,

Can you sue the company that you bought your TV from because the stations are not broadcasting 4K for your TV on every channel?

 

[Omnistalgic]

I think Slim is $249 without a game. $299 with the latest hit.

Neo is $449 without a game, $499 with latest hit.

Neo gets priced dropped next year, for the cheaper high-end console to next Xbox.

 

[MilkyJoe]

Neo being called PS4K wouldn't be any different from all the 4K TVs that are being sold with the name 4K on them,

Can you sue the company that you bought your TV from because the stations are not broadcasting 4K for your TV on every channel?

Yeah, cause that's exactly the same thing... SMH

 

[Black Hat]

There you are people.

Now Slim won't be $249.

$199.

Slim for everyone!

 

[Carn82]

$249 for the Slim?

That has been my guess as well, altough I can see them pushing it to 300 when including a bunch of games. Regular PS4 can already be bought for less than $350 including a game. Neo will move to the $399 spot. If not, Slim might start at 300 and Neo at 450/500; I think there will be a 150/200 dollar price difference between the two models, otherwise it wouldnt make that much sense.

 

[Carn82]

$199.

Slim for everyone!

That would be nuts. But possible.. I consider Sony's engineering pedigree a bit more impressive than Microsofts.

 

[Wildean]

At the rate they are leaking things there might be nothing left to announce. Hell, at the current rate people might already have the bloody Neo by then!!

Looking forward to seeing it anyhow, though I'm a sceptic on the whole notion of mid gen console upgrades.

 

[slavesnyder]

249 regular
199 on Black Friday

 

[Putty]

$249......It will not be $299.

 

[ArkhamFantasy]

I would be shocked if it was less than $299. There's probably nothing stopping them from making the PS4 $299 right now, they simply chose to keep it at $350 because they can.

 

[Elven_Star]

This name and price prediction game going on in this and the other thread is driving me nuts. Every time I see the threads bumped I'm hoping to see new information, but I get this instead. Fact of the matter is we don't know. Let it rest. Please.
<3 you

 

[Neander]

It's also something that'll confuse and possibly prevent people from buying it if they don't have a 4k TV yet.

I honestly don't expect a name that just adds a letter after the ps4. It's probably going to be a word.

PS4Ker

 

[MilkyJoe]

PS4Ker

sound sa bit like piss taker

 

[Caayn]

PS4Ker

PS4K

Spoiler

inda

 

[Napalm_Frank]

PS4K is the best name even if a little misleading. It's simple, rolls off the tongue and it fits what they are trying to achieve with it (better resolution/IQ for high end monitors even if only movies ect. really reach 4K) and Applesque naming.

 

[Hydrargyrus]

250€ would be a killer price for PS4s

 

[wachie]

PS4 Uprendering.

How's that for a name for Neo?

 

[Midas]

Come on guys. It'll sell well for $299. It won't be $249 at launch.

 

[RibMan]

I would be shocked if it was less than $299. There's probably nothing stopping them from making the PS4 $299 right now, they simply chose to keep it at $350 because they can.

Yep. It would be crazy if Sony actually hit $249.99 with the slim, but I don't think they're terribly concerned about gaining more marketshare over more money.

 

[Theonik]

Super PlayStation 4

 

[wapplew]

Yep. It would be crazy if Sony actually hit $249.99 with the slim, but I don't think they're terribly concerned about gaining more marketshare over more money.

I'm sure they have internal data show them the climate of console and competitions, $299 means they are confidant, $249 means they felt threaten.

 

[Chobel]

$99
Free on Black Friday.

 

[slavesnyder]

I'm sure they have internal data show them the climate of console and competitions, $299 means they are confidant, $249 means they felt threaten.

It would help VR

 

[funkystudent]

IMO. Sony messed up a little by not adding basic 4k media stuff to the PS4 Slim. 4K blu ray + Netflix at that price would be nice and definitely a nice feather in the XB1-S's hat.

 

[THE:MILKMAN]

I would be shocked if it was less than $299. There's probably nothing stopping them from making the PS4 $299 right now, they simply chose to keep it at $350 because they can.

The US is in a weird spot for me. Current PS4 MSRP is still $350 plus tax so ~$375 which is £284 doing a straight conversion yet right now you can pick up a PS4+ U4 and Deus Ex:MD for as low as £249.

I'd be shocked if PS4 slim with no games is more than £199 here but in the US it seems Sony are more comfortable pricing higher.

 

[StrongBlackVine]

I like his Osiris just popped in with a comment about the Total Recall gif then disappeared again. So he is obviously reading the topics, but no more insider hints are coming. Which is fine with the official announcement being so close.

Spoiler

Or maybe his comment on the gif is a hint?

 

[ShadowKingpin]

249.99 with newest game as digital download. That will be to keep costs down.

 

[Chobel]

But considering how tight false advertising laws are in Europe and how the US like a good lawsuit, is it a really good idea? It is a games console first...

Wait, you think PS4K name will them in trouble? As in someone will sue them because of the 4K part?

 

[Napalm_Frank]

Super PlayStation 4

I would be so happy if this was it.

 

[somecrazymember]

I'm expecing something as weird as PS VITA.

Something like:

PS4 ONE
PS4 CURTAIN
PS4 BELLYBUTTON

 

[Woodchipper]

Looking back on how they nailed everything at the E3 2013 conference, it would be nice to see something similar on Sep 7th. I hope they know what they're doing.

 

[64bitbros]

Sony wants to go "... and available today!" like Apple right? Well, PS4s or PS4se it is then.