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PlayStation Meeting announced. September 7th 3PM ET (PS4 Neo Reveal)

Right before the Neo's unveil, how do you feel about the system?


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The GSCube! Back when Kutaragi thought that Playstation 2 technology would power all the rendering farms doing CG movies Lol. Crazy Ken indeed :P Still that thing could run Final Fantasy The Spirits Within at interactive frame rates if I remember correctly.

Yeah, some simplified scenes from CG Antz and Final Fantasy The Spirits Within at 60fps on GSCube at SiGGRAPH 2000 (I said 2001 in my other pose but it was 2000).

Some rare footage.

Antz: https://youtu.be/yB0-EvK9Y7U?t=8m26s

Final Fantasy The Spirits Within: https://youtu.be/yB0-EvK9Y7U?t=10m26s

Think Kutaragi was crazy? CERNy is gonna find a way to tap the power of the Large Hadron Collider for PS5 :P
 
Nothing changed component wise. How do i know this? because there are no parts for Sony to move to this year that would make a difference to the overall unit besides pushing the release date back.
The fact is we know nothing. Till next week, your guess is as good and valid as the guy saying dual pascal Titans are running the Neo, ;)

Educated guess wise, I'd say you're probably right. But there's definitely possibility of upgrades to components Sony can surprise us with.
 
Both GCN gen3 (aka 1.2) and GCN gen4 have brought significant improvements to geometry performance.

GCN gen3
For Tonga AMD is bringing that 4-wide geometry frontend from Hawaii, which like Hawaii immediately doubles upon Tahiti’s 2-wide geometry frontend. Not stopping there however, AMD is also implementing a new round of optimizations to further improve performance. GCN 1.2’s geometry frontend includes improved vertex reuse (for better performance with small triangles) and improved work distribution between the geometry frontends to better allocate workloads between them.

GCN gen4
Outside of the shader cores themselves, AMD has also made enhancements to the graphics front-end for Polaris. AMD’s latest architecture integrates what AMD calls a Primative Discard Accelerator. True to its name, the job of the discard accelerator is to remove (cull) triangles that are too small to be used, and to do so early enough in the rendering pipeline that the rest of the GPU is spared from having to deal with these unnecessary triangles. Degenerate triangles are culled before they even hit the vertex shader, while small triangles culled a bit later, after the vertex shader but before they hit the rasterizer. There’s no visual quality impact to this (only triangles that can’t be seen/rendered are culled), and as claimed by AMD, the benefits of the discard accelerator increase with MSAA levels, as MSAA otherwise exacerbates the small triangle problem.

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Along these lines, Polaris also implements a new index cache, again meant to improve geometry performance. The index cache is designed specifically to accelerate geometry instancing performance, allowing small instanced geometry to stay close by in the cache, avoiding the power and bandwidth costs of shuffling this data around to other caches and VRAM.
Should be especially beneficial to VR games, with stereo geometry and MSAA.
 
I was slightly interested in the neo when it was the 4.2t thing, but hearing it could be a 5.5t thing, actually makes me sit up and take notice :)

Ok it's gonna be a bit more expensive, but I'm ok with that, my hobby isn't a cheap one, so i guess that comes with the territory...
 
But games will look and run worse on original PS4, and it makes people feel like they have a shitty console, while in earlier generations one simply wouldn't have to worry about a thing.

Your making that up.

Take a game like BF1, its going to be 900p60 on Og Ps4, a few online Frostbite games are running at 900p60 already. So, what if Neo does 1080p60 ? The OG Ps4 has not got any worse.

Take Witcher 3, 1080p30 with dips. If Neo gets stable frame rate then again OG Ps is not running worse.

Your worse statement is poor, as the limitations of OG Ps4 are already seen in many releases the past 3 years. Neo will correct that we hope, but I cant see 720p games on OG Ps4 or worse frame rates, there will always be games like Witcher 3 and Assassins creed that push OG hardware
 
I was slightly interested in the neo when it was the 4.2t thing, but hearing it could be a 5.5t thing, actually makes me sit up and take notice :)

Ok it's gonna be a bit more expensive, but I'm ok with that, my hobby isn't a cheap one, so i guess that comes with the territory...
5.5tflops where did you hear that
 
I was considering selling my OG PS4. However I've decided to move it to the living room and replace the OG in my bedroom with Neo. I don't usually play in my living room in fact we have a old 720p Plasma TV their. However for the occasional Multiplayer sessions and quick games it should be good.
 
OléGunner;215409127 said:
PS3 fat felt really good in that regard.
That was a hefty and beautiful console.

This actually makes me worry quite a bit. I've seen too many YLODs. I'd much rather have a small, efficient, all around well-designed console be the target platform.

I wouldn't mind a Neo that checks all these boxes while still being somewhat more powerful, but I hope if a big, bulky, hot power hog of a Neo doesn't become the target spec while the PS4 Slim gets framerate compromises as an afterthought.

I'll get a PC if I want powerful boxes that weigh a thousand tons.
 
This actually makes me worry quite a bit. I've seen too many YLODs. I'd much rather have a small, efficient, all around well-designed console be the target platform.

I wouldn't mind a Neo that checks all these boxes while still being somewhat more powerful, but I hope if a big, bulky, hot power hog of a Neo doesn't become the target spec while the PS4 Slim gets framerate compromises as an afterthought.

I'll get a PC if I want powerful boxes that weigh a thousand tons.

This is actually a pretty good point. However, unlike the OG PS3 model, the Neo could use an external power supply to cut back on heat.
 
This actually makes me worry quite a bit. I've seen too many YLODs. I'd much rather have a small, efficient, all around well-designed console be the target platform.

I wouldn't mind a Neo that checks all these boxes while still being somewhat more powerful, but I hope if a big, bulky, hot power hog of a Neo doesn't become the target spec while the PS4 Slim gets framerate compromises as an afterthought.

I'll get a PC if I want powerful boxes that weigh a thousand tons.

Don't smaller boxes get hotter? I see many complaints about the OG PS4 sounding like a jet engine while the larger Xbox One is quiet.

As to your second point I don't see developers short-changing 60 million plus base/slim model PS4s in favor of pushing the much smaller percentage of Neo models. If a game is running poorly on the PS4 it probably would have regardless of the existence of the Neo. It's not like we don't have poorly running games now including upcoming games like FFXV.
 
As to your second point I don't see developers short-changing 60 million plus base/slim model PS4s in favor of pushing the much smaller percentage of Neo models.

Basically.

We already saw how long it took for games to stop being cross-platform back when PS4 was new. Developers basically were unable to abandon PS3/X360 because the install base was huge and they weren't ready to rely on PS4/XB1 sales by themselves.

NEO would basically be an even more exaggerated situation. Unless something unexpected happens and 80% of the consumers bought a Neo, the PS4 silm would be the main base platform for the next 3 years.
 
I was slightly interested in the neo when it was the 4.2t thing, but hearing it could be a 5.5t thing, actually makes me sit up and take notice :)

Ok it's gonna be a bit more expensive, but I'm ok with that, my hobby isn't a cheap one, so i guess that comes with the territory...
lol forget that 5.5TF dream asap. It's gonna be around ~4.2TF.
 
lol forget that 5.5TF dream asap. It's gonna be around ~4.2TF.

or 8.4TF if my wild double APU Theory turnes out to be true. :D

i dont see a beefed up cooling solution and bigger PSU are pushing the weight to 4,5kg...
Must be something else..

Dont forget in 2013 Sony doubled something else and everyone said its crazy that time..
 
or 8.4TF if my wild double APU Theory turnes out to be true. :D

i dont see a beefed up cooling solution and bigger PSU are pushing the weight to 4,5kg...
Must be something else..

Dont forget in 2013 Sony doubled something else and everyone said its crazy that time..

It is double APU as in double the power of OG PS4 APU.
 
Has this thread descended into 5.5TF+ insanity wishing again?

So is the way of all Neo threads.

To quote genie from Alladin, I want...

PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!!!

itty-bitty living space
 
Has this thread descended into 5.5TF+ insanity wishing again?

So is the way of all Neo threads.

To quote genie from Alladin, I want...

PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!!!

itty-bitty living space

We still have 8 days to wait, what else we're going to discuss?
Power, price, policy, design, leaks, prediction, good idea, bad idea, no gen, yes gen, cross gen, we've covered it all.
Just recycle the conversation, that's all.
 
Do you know something we dont

I think the current logic is that due to the latest rumored size and weight the Neo can't be 'just' 4.2TF - essentially the chip size is now smaller than the original PS4 (see slim) and the way the 4.2TF machine works is a reasonable overclock and 2x the GPU - neither suggests it needs a box the size and weight of the rumors...therefore people are now thinking the Neo is a better than 4.2TF spec.
 
We are are entering MrXmedia dgpu territory...

Not really, nothing has been confirmed and we do 'know' Sony were working on 2 versions and that 'they are working out how to close the gap'...MrXmedia took x-rays of the XBO SoC to 'prove' there was a hidden GPU lol.

I have to say whilst it'd be nice that Neo was more powerful than 4.2TF I'm not overly fussed, but you have to wonder that if the size/weight rumours are true...well, WHY!?
 
A modest bump is possible, 5.5 teraflops is not a modest bump.

Osiris got quiet, John Harker said "might", and we know the current dev kits have the 4.2 teraflop spec, probably best to reign in the ole' expectations a bit folks.
 
A modest bump is possible, 5.5 teraflops is not a modest bump.

Osiris got quiet, John Harker said "might", and we know the current dev kits have the 4.2 teraflop spec, probably best to reign in the ole' expectations a bit folks.


I think it's something there that's not really for the devs but system level.
 
People shouldn't expect more than 4.2 TF we already have a gpu in the market with exact setup 480 and Sony would never clock it very high to manage heat.

4.2TF is plenty powerful to provide huge boost to current PS4 without sacrificing compatibility.
 
A modest bump is possible, 5.5 teraflops is not a modest bump.

Osiris got quiet, John Harker said "might", and we know the current dev kits have the 4.2 teraflop spec, probably best to reign in the ole' expectations a bit folks.

People are latching onto 5.5 because the 480 is a 5.5 Tflop GPU and Neo's GPU is, allegedly, based on the 480. However this theory fails to take into account what would be required to get 5.5 Tflops out of it and the significant upgrades that would be required to other components to support and/or utilise that processing power.

I would not be surprised to see, say, a 10% boost on the devkits but a 30% boost to 5.5 Tflops is fantasy. IMHO.
 
Sony's been really good this generation of explaining things on clear terms. That's really what they need to do here. Make it clear to current PS4 owners that there will not be a single game released exclusively for the Neo. Go on to reiterate the games that they've seen like GTS, Spider-Man, GoW, and Horizon were all running on current PS4 hardware rather than Neo, so it's not as if PS4 games are suddenly going to look ugly. The point out that the Neo will simply allow games to look even better than they do on the PS4, which is wording that makes it clear that PS4 games already look great. In other words, make them feel like they've already got a Ferrari and the Neo is an upgraded version of that Ferrari.

Nailed it.

I mean, no one was disappointed with God of War at E3, right? If that's the standard PS4 version, then imagine what the Neo one will be like... :O
 
Do you have a link to that article you quoted? Which articles are you talking about? I believe Eurogamer is the outlet that broke the story, and their story said it was using Jaguar cores.



I think Neo needs to be at $300 by 2019/2020 so that PS5 can enter at $400-$450. I also expect Scorpio to launch at $450-500, and if the Neo specs don't change, it likely needs to be at least $50 cheaper than Scorpio when Scorpio launches to be competitive. So, just because of how the market will need to adjust for future Sony and Microsoft products, I'd expect $450 is the absolute peak price for the product, and, depending on what Scorpio enters at and what Neo offers, no greater than $400 by Holiday 2017.

http://vrworld.com/2016/05/11/amd-confirms-sony-playstation-neo-based-zen-polaris/

Another article from Anandtech links back to this article.
All links I can find actually link back to the link here.
 

Yes. Though I feel like it's speculation based on already existing speculation which makes it really hard for me to believe.


I still think it's a 4.2 TF console, which is a sizable enough upgrade for me over the PS4 in 2016.

You forgot the one where there are rumors that the power cord uses a 3 prong for the outlet, which implies it is using a lot more power.

But, yes, I think some are thinking because it is heavy, bigger power supply and/or power usage some are thinking that they upped specs and perhaps had to have a larger heat sink to help compensate for the increased heat.

Thanks, now I know where the speculation is coming from. Let me toss a pinch of salt over my shoulder and wait for the reveal, lol.
 
How about keep the GPU at 4.2 TF, just up the CPU a bit more to 2.4 GHz and call it a day at $399.

I would be more than ok with this until PS5. If it's 4.2 TF and a slightly overclocked CPU, I refuse to pay over $399. Now, if they did up the TF on the GPU, I am more than ok with $449.
 
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