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[Ekai]

All I'm arguing about in regards to heat is this proposed idea that no one can get heat exhaustion from that kind of unbearable temperature.

As a nurse, it's clear she has cancer from the videos.

It explains it all.

I look forward to your Fox News report.

 

[jack_package_200]

I've watched every episode of House, give me 40 minutes and I'll have the real diagnosis.

Is it lupus?

 

[Lord Frieza]

I've known people who have had full-on epileptic seizures and appeared fine two hours later. I don't think Clinton looking spry two hours later necessarily means all that much.

This really is all speculation though--on both sides--and I think the only way this can be cleared up is with the release of her medical records.

Her medical evaluation has already been released.

 

[GregLombardi]

I'll take a fainting Hillary over 100 Donald Trumps any day

 

[Alucrid]

They wear bullet proof vests? Didn't know that but it makes sense.

you can never be too sure about the 2nd amendment people

 

[Fourth Stooge]

This happened around 9:30 this morning. It was maybe 75 degrees at the time. Maybe. Not humid at all.

The idea that this episode was brought on by some extremes of temperature is nothing but odd damage control. She was propped against that concrete barrier for a while before they could bring her car. This was not a momentary or brief incident.

And her response (and/or that of handlers) was not to seek immediate medical treatment at a qualified facility but to go to her daughter's apartment. This is a woman who has an undisputed history of blood clots, which are extremely dangerous and can cause fainting or similar symptoms.

 

[Pastry]

Interestingly enough, this could be a case of the boy who cried wolf. The alt-right has been on these crazy conspiracy theories regarding health for so long that it almost makes a reaction of this an extension of that.

 

[Kinyou]

I've watched every episode of House, give me 40 minutes and I'll have the real diagnosis.

It's finally lupus

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

I've watched every episode of House, give me 40 minutes and I'll have the real diagnosis.

I'm curious about what's gonna trigger your eventual 'epiphany' moment.

 

[Lord Frieza]

They wear bullet proof vests? Didn't know that but it makes sense.

Yes, pretty sure it's standard for any Presidential candidate at any public event.

 

[mnz]

The legit crazy posts and the sarcastic posts are converging so people can't tell what's what.

A good description of this whole election.

 

[Snake]

This topic makes me thankful that practically none of you will ever be able to practice medicine on a human being.

Meanwhile back on Planet Earth: Hillary Clinton fainted, it happens, there's no indication it was a serious issue, and Donald Trump is still scheduled to lose the 2016 Presidential Election. See you all next insane topic.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident?wprov=sfla1

GEORGE BUSH HAS VOMITED ON THE JAPANESE MINISTER AND SUBSEQUENTLY FAINTED.

CAN HE REALLY FINISH A SECOND TERM IN THIS CONDITION?

 

[sans_pants]

so trump is our next president?

 

[Sylas]

I've known people who have had full-on epileptic seizures and appeared fine two hours later. I don't think Clinton looking spry two hours later necessarily means all that much.

This really is all speculation though--on both sides--and I think the only way this can be cleared up is with the release of her medical records.

My dude, my buddy, my guy it's hot as balls in NYC today and doubly hot over by the WTC because of all the concrete and people congregated. I felt overheated and miserable after being there for 2 hours and I'm 27 years old. I can't imagine how someone that's incredibly stressed out would react to the heat while wearing a bullet proof vest and an outfit that isn't easy, breezy and comfy.

 

[Link]

Some really disgusting responses in this thread. Way to validate Trump's garbage tactics, guys.

 

[Jenov]

I really hope she's okay and was just feeling bad from overworking the campaign trail Still, I'd vote for Kaine easily if I had to. Trump would never be an option.

 

[Polioliolio]

You know, we may as well genetically engineer enhanced humans to run for president, or better yet, elect robots. Christ almighty people. She fainted. "But It doesn't look good". What doesn't look good? Why doesn't it look good? What do you expect exactly, from a human being? Do we only elect the strongest healthiest candidates and fainting exposes the humanity in them and makes them weak? Maybe we should have a wrestling match or battle to the death to elect presidents. You can only run for president if you can win American Gladiator. Make it like battle bots, why don't we.

Jesus.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

I've known people who have had full-on epileptic seizures and appeared fine two hours later. I don't think Clinton looking spry two hours later necessarily means all that much.

This really is all speculation though--on both sides--and I think the only way this can be cleared up is with the release of her medical records.

Fuck that. I wouldn't do shit. Why is she being held to a higher standard?

Trump still hasn't released his tax returns and the medical 'letter' he put out was 1/10th in length and detail as Hillary's.

 

[Pancake Mix]

I'll take a fainting Hillary over 100 Donald Trumps any day

Yeah. Even if she's ill, she should be president.

Wouldn't be the first president with health problems either.

 

[Sianos]

"why did the secret service not have an open emotional reaction to hillary having a fainting spell?! it's almost as if they have plans in place to protect the people under their protection!"

come on now

 

[Trouble]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_H._W._Bush_vomiting_incident?wprov=sfla1

GEORGE BUSH HAS VOMITED ON THE JAPANESE MINISTER AND SUBSEQUENTLY FAINTED.

CAN HE REALLY FINISH A SECOND TERM IN THIS CONDITION?

Sometimes I love wikipedia because of gems like this:

It is the only documented occurrence to date of a U.S. President vomiting on a foreign dignitary.

 

[CoffeeJanitor]

Interestingly enough, this could be a case of the boy who cried wolf. The alt-right has been on these crazy conspiracy theories regarding health for so long that it almost makes a reaction of this an extension of that.

Nah. There's a video now.

Can't undo that video.

 

[Stumpokapow]

It's not just VP though. When Reagan went on and off the deep end, it wasn't the VP who took over it was his wife who ran things. Who's going to keep things in order when Hillary is temporarily incapacitated Huma or Bill.

RE: Reagan; I think Reagan's position is a little different because there's no credible argument that he was suffering from Alzheimers in 1984. The most credible accusations that he faces that he was ill during his presidency were that the symptoms appeared in the back half of his second term. And most of the accusations seem to suggest the symptoms were obvious in hindsight but no formal disagnosis was made. I think there is a different standard of disclosure for prospective job applicants than for those who have a job. A better example would be Roosevelt's final term or Kennedy's term; both suffered debilitating health problems that they hid from the public while in office, and I think there's a strong case to argue both did deceive the public.

RE: the line of succession; I agree that modern bureaucracy is very complicated and relies on a trusted circle being able to speak on the boss' behalf. The presidency would not operate if chiefs of staff or assistants could not be delegated minor decisions that are on paper the president's to make. I also agree that during a time of crisis, this can result in unelected officials making judgment calls, which is part of the allegations made against the Bush in the wake of 9/11. It is important to have bureaucratic best practices about how this delegation works. It is important that the VP, apart from having the legal responsibility to take over, is assertive enough and well liked enough that they have a moral authority to take over in a tough situation. I don't want to talk about it being specifically Huma or Bill. She clearly trusts both, but we'll wait and see who she chooses as a Chief of Staff and who are the power players in her actual administration.

I am not sure that someone's inner circle is worthy of scrutiny from this angle before being elected. I do think their inner circle is worthy of scrutiny as a reflection of their judgment--Hillary's advisors should be critiqued as should Trump's be, but I don't think it serves us well to go from "Someone has a health issue -> What if their Personal Assistant is the secret unelected president??!?". The VP is the person legally entitled to serve in the event of incapacity, and both parties picked VPs that are well within the bounds of acceptable beliefs and reasonable experience for their party in a way that Palin was not at the time.

 

[Plywood]

That was some Weekend at Bernie's shit.

 

[Alucrid]

My dude, my buddy, my guy it's hot as balls in NYC today and doubly hot over by the WTC because of all the concrete and people congregated. I felt overheated and miserable after being there for 2 hours and I'm 27 years old. I can't imagine how someone that's incredibly stressed out would react to the heat while wearing a bullet proof vest and an outfit that isn't easy, breezy and comfy.

but have you ever lived in florida?

 

[Adaren]

Glad it was nothing serious. Not that there was ever strong reason to believe it was, but we're only one unlikely medical emergency / Russian assassination away from a Trump presidency. Scary stuff.

 

[Plasticine]

All of her symptoms point to lupus.

 

[Mega]

It's really not hot today. I'm in NYC. There's a nice breeze.

However, those are crowded memorials.

It's open air and they're not crammed in like animals.

Not only does it not feel hot today, but it was at 80, possibly slightly under and a bit cloudy at the time Hillary fainted. And that part of lower Manhattan is near the water and known for its breeziness. The overheated excuse is quite flimsy.

 

[royalan]

This happened around 9:30 this morning. It was maybe 75 degrees at the time. Maybe. Not humid at all.

The idea that this episode was brought on by some extremes of temperature is nothing but odd damage control. She was propped against that concrete barrier for a while before they could bring her car. This was not a momentary or brief incident.

And her response (and/or that of handlers) was not to seek immediate medical treatment at a qualified facility but to go to her daughter's apartment. This is a woman who has an undisputed history of blood clots, which are extremely dangerous and can cause fainting or similar symptoms.

History of blood clots? That implies more than one.

 

[The Technomancer]

I've watched every episode of House, give me 40 minutes and I'll have the real diagnosis.

Its not Lupus

 

[dream]

Her medical evaluation has already been released.

The summary letter from July of 2015? I'm not sure how comforting that is 14 months later, when Clinton is passing out on the street.

 

[brettski2024]

I came to this thread for the inevitable spin and delusion from "Hillary supporters" and was not disappointed. Thanks gaf.

Something ain't right with old Hilda beast.

 

[Nickle]

Really starting to like Trump for the presidency, I've heard he has the health of two spry oxen.

 

[Sylas]

but have you ever lived in florida?

Yeah I lived in South Carolina for 16 years and being outside during the summer was actual hell. There's a reason Southerners move slowly and it's because during the summer you stand a good chance of catching yourself on fire due to air friction + ambient temperature.

Hopefully her campaign puts out a statement addressing what the issue was. Could it really be heat-related as it doesn't appear to be too hot up there today? 80 or so? Glad she's OK but man this is a bad look and Trump/Rudy will be ruthless this.

It's 80 or so without taking into account the sheer amount of ground temperature that comes out of lower Manhattan. The temperature "advertised" is usually a fair amount cooler than it actually is. Add a shitload of people congregated into a single place and an outfit that wasn't summer-appropriate (read: bulletproof vest) it's not unusual to think it was miserably hot for her.

 

[hairygreenpeas]

The problem is that if they were "at least reasonable enough to rationalize that a Trump presidency is something to be avoided at all cost," they wouldn't be undecided.

Yes, that's the unfortunate truth. Here's to hoping the debates will finally make them decided voters. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be tuning in, and it will be glorious to have Hillary eviscerate Trump on national television. My only concern is Trump chickening out lol.

 

[ErnieMcCracken]

Hopefully her campaign puts out a statement addressing what the issue was. Could it really be heat-related as it doesn't appear to be too hot up there today? 80 or so? Glad she's OK but man this is a bad look and Trump/Rudy will be ruthless this.

 

[Bam Bam Baklava]

I came to this thread for the inevitable spin and delusion from "Hillary supporters" and was not disappointed. Thanks gaf.

Something ain't right with old Hilda beast.

Good entry, I think you will do well.

 

[jono51]

All of her symptoms point to lupus.

Is it lupus?

Lets roll with that for now. I'll go act misanthropic in other threads for the next 20 minutes until Hillary takes a sudden turn for the worse.

 

[Ekai]

The overheated excuse is quite flimsy.

Excuse? It's a fact. 80 degrees is nightmarish. Especially with the conditions she's in with lots of heavy clothing and already being outside for almost 2ish hours. I don't at all see why it can't possibly be heat exhaustion in this scenario.

 

[Arrogant Bastard]

This happened around 9:30 this morning. It was maybe 75 degrees at the time. Maybe. Not humid at all.

The idea that this episode was brought on by some extremes of temperature is nothing but odd damage control. She was propped against that concrete barrier for a while before they could bring her car. This was not a momentary or brief incident.

And her response (and/or that of handlers) was not to seek immediate medical treatment at a qualified facility but to go to her daughter's apartment. This is a woman who has an undisputed history of blood clots, which are extremely dangerous and can cause fainting or similar symptoms.

So if it was a serious medical condition don't you think she would have went to a hospital and not her daughters apartment?

 

[God Dayumm]

I don't understand why this is a huge deal. Welp, she coughs and faints sometimes, big deal. Unless she is having convulsions 24/7 she can do her job just fine.

If anything this should be good news for anyone sitting on the fence: She defeats Trump in the election, then steps down soon after because of health reasons. 2 birds one stone, win-win for everyone.

 

[Lord Frieza]

The summary letter from July of 2015? I'm not sure how comforting that is 14 months later, when Clinton is passing out on the street.

What other records are going to be released? Routine, hum-drum reports that are going to say the same shit? I mean, sure, but that just seems redundant

 

[Gorillaz]

That was some Weekend at Bernie's shit.

tim kaine got the glasses ready just in case

 

[gunslikewhoa]

But so does context, which as I said, you ignore. The comparison to Nixon is worthless. The campaign and opponent Nixon faced is nothing like the situation Clinton faces. Broad strokes that mean nothing, much like Brexit comparisons to this election.

It's like you're talking about an entirely different subject. I'm not painting broad strokes. I'm stating a simple fact.

Again, I am simply saying that the public's perception of the state of a candidate's health matters greatly. Forget about whether or not she is actually sick. What happened today looks bad and can have real consequences.

How you can say that the comparison to Nixon's situation is worthless is beyond me. It is easily the clearest real example that we have of what can happen to a presidential candidate in this country when the public perceives them to be weak thanks to some poor optics.

The campaign and opponent are irrelevant. Whether or not Nixon or Hillary had/have serious health issues is irrelevant. Poor optics hurts in politics, always.

 

[jaaz]

So if it was a serious medical condition don't you think she would have went to a hospital and not her daughters apartment?

If she would have gone to the hospital, it would have been much more difficult to keep whatever happened to her confidential.

I wonder what Biden is thinking right now?

 

[Sianos]

Interestingly enough, this could be a case of the boy who cried wolf. The alt-right has been on these crazy conspiracy theories regarding health for so long that it almost makes a reaction of this an extension of that.

This is what I think will happen as well. A big deal will be made in the media, but so many "big deals" have been made in the media that I can't see this having a tangible impact on anyone's opinion. We've hit the point of diminishing returns for both candidates months ago.

 

[dream]

Hopefully her campaign puts out a statement addressing what the issue was. Could it really be heat-related as it doesn't appear to be too hot up there today? 80 or so? Glad she's OK but man this is a bad look and Trump/Rudy will be ruthless this.

Well, there's precedent for her fainting episodes to be explained:

The conservative commentators’ allegations about Clinton point to videos and ostensibly “leaked” medical evidence circulated on social media to support their case. A lot of this centers on a well-known December 2012 incident when Clinton, still running the State Department, fainted and suffered a concussion that kept her from testifying in front of a House committee that week.

State Department officials explained at the time that Clinton was fighting a stomach virus and had become dehydrated, causing her to faint, and that she required no hospitalization despite the concussion — an assertion that was confirmed by her physician, Dr. Lisa Bardack, in a letter released by the Clinton campaign last July.

So we have two fainting episodes: one caused by a stomach virus, and another caused by heatstroke.

 

[Ozigizo]

I came to this thread for the inevitable spin and delusion from "Hillary supporters" and was not disappointed. Thanks gaf.

Something ain't right with old Hilda beast.

I came to this thread for snarky shit posts, glad to see you didn't disappoint.

 

[Maintenance]

She might be fine after all, I understand people saying that this is just scare tactics and all that. What gets me is people trying to change 80°F into something straight out of the Amazon or Congo Jungle, followed by "Oh yeah, you can withstand that? I can walk a full marathon naked during a blizzard, can you do that? Huh?"