Fox News reporter: Hillary Clinton left 9/11 ceremony with 'medical episode'

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the video will create a void of galaxy destroying black hole proportions regarding her health that every quack and talking head with a medical diploma will be press ganged in to fill with the most sensational click baiting headlines until hillary confronts it head on.

nixon lost the election by looking a bit sweaty on TV.
 
What gets me is that nobody is turning to look to her to see if she's okay..

It's like they were fully expecting her to faint, no surprises.

That's unsettling.

I was thinking the same thing when the video came out. The SS reaction is basically "oh she's going down, ok."

Yeah. This didn't surprise anybody on that team.
It's as if they had a plan of exactly what to do and executed it without hesitation.

Secret Service, what is it?
 
If she's healthy, she should have no problem releasing her medical records to assuage voters and make this the non-issue many here believe it to be.
 
I like people re-reacting to the same video mirrored, lol. I wonder if I put it upside down I could say Hillary also fell out of a building.
 
I think in principle a presidential candidate's health is fair game. The Vice President taking over in the event of disability or death is a safety measure built into the system, not an ideal outcome. Someone who knows they will not live to the end of their term(s) shouldn't run. Roosevelt '44 was irresponsible and an abuse of the American people. If either candidate is failing to disclose a serious medical condition, i think they should face punishment for doing so.

On the subject of the candidates: Trump is a 70 year old man who by his own admission does not take care of himself at all. He doesn't eat well, doesn't exercise, and rarely sees a physician. His doctor's note is crazy. On the other hand he seems to have aged fairly well, he quite possibly has good genetics, and he's not likely to die by the end of two terms due to age-related health decline. I think it is reasonable to apply scrutiny to his lack of disclosure and indifference to his health, but there's probably not much else there. Hillary is a 68 year old woman who seems to exercise regularly, eat well, and take care of herself by working with doctors. However, a concussion and blood clot is a somewhat serious recent health issue and I think it's reasonable to consider that, like it was reasonable to consider Biden's brain aneurysm. Again, however, she is pretty unlikely to be dead by the end of two terms due to age-related health decline. I do think that the relatively advanced age of both candidates is notable.

The recent Hlllary health stuff is total crackpot fantasy reddit nonsense. It is not unusual for candidates to get colds, or flus, or jetlag or other travel-related illness, or to faint, as a result of a grueling campaign schedule. George Bush vomiting in Japan is not a relevant thing. The conspiracy is self-reinforcing, because routine health things that happen now "confirm" the conspiracy. I am very thankful that the majority of people reading political subreddits on either side of the political spectrum are either not old enough or too lazy or stupid to actually vote. I have no idea why anyone would voluntarily admit to reading some of the shit out there; you are acknowledging that you are a credulous rube. The handful of die-hard Trumpers we have here make it clear that they get their news by reading Trump reddit and 4chan 18 hours a day. There are no shortage of Hillary idiots here either, but most of them seem to actually get news from news sources and not @WhiteGenocide.

If Ruth Bader Ginsberg or Betty White ran for president, I think it would be right to point out "Look, these people are too old and not healthy enough and they will be dead by the end of their terms". I don't think that's ageism or sexism. I don't think "the VP would just take over" is an invincible defence.

With respect to McCain, he was also an old guy, also had a history of health problems, and had a physical frailty that seemed caused by his torture and captivity in Vietnam. I think criticisms or observations about his health were reasonable at the time, although some hysteria around it might not have been. I don't think any VP pick would change this. I do think the fact that he picked a VP who a) was clearly not ready to be president in terms of experience, and b) was an absolute nutcase makes his health more relevant.

Both current candidates have picked reasonable VPs. Kaine and Pence both have lots of experience and are well-liked within their parties. It is difficult to argue that either of these people are, on their face, not qualified to take over. Kaine is seen as boring and moderate, while Pence is seen as boring and highly conservative. If you're supporting Hillary from the left then you might have some reason to worry that a Kaine presidency would be more moderate than you like; if you're supporting a Trump presidency then please don't vote but also you might be worried that Pence gets distracted in traditional social conservative mud instead of building a wall or nuking the families of people who joined ISIS or whatever it is you want a president to do. But despite these minor fears, we can take comfort that there's unlikely to be a radical disruption of government if one of the current VPs takes over.

Finally, on the subject of "Why Hasn't She Made A Statement Yet". This kind of breathless idiocy makes no sense to me. It was OK for George W. Bush to take a few minutes to process 9/11. Michael Moore's ranting about how No One Knew Who Was In Charge was baffling then. Campaigns and administrations are big organizations, and while it's important to have clear authority during situations, it's not important to have a press statement within 15 seconds just because idiots F5 the internet incessantly.

If this is a serious health issue, then it's more important to ascertain the consequences than issue a provisional statement. You'll live in there's a few hours where you don't know what happened. If it's not a serious health issue, then again who gives a shit? I agree that from an optics perspective poor communication might help confirm conspiracy theories, but conspiracy theories are also self-confirming so it's not clear to me that the response would be any different if she had issued a statement 5 minutes later saying she had indigestion.
 
Look, I get why some of you feel the need to handwave away any speculation on Clinton's health. But doing so in a thread where there's footage of Clinton's feet dragging on the pavement when she's unconscious might not be the best arena for it.
 
George H.W. Bush - vomited on the Japanese prime minister and fainted in 1992 - 24 years later, he's still here.

AG Michael Mukasey - fainted at a speech in 2008. Alive and well today.

Everybody is so quick to make the worst assumptions here.

Hillary fainted in 2005, had an concussion 4 years ago, and has been campaigning her ass off in 2015/16. She's been putting in work.

It's speculative, gossipy bullshit at the moment, with her walking out of her daughters apartment looking normal a couple hours later.
 
I think thats the take home too. As a hillary voter, her health wouldn't for one second make me think "well, maybe ill give fascism a vote then." But apparently, there are still people on the fence. And those people aren't immediately turned off by fascism, because reasons, so.. I could see those people, seeing this as a reason to vote trump.

A literal urn containing her ashes would be better for this country than Trump.

When it comes down to it, I certainly hope that most of the undecideds would at least be reasonable enough to rationalize that a Trump presidency is something to be avoided at all cost, regardless of how they feel about the only other candidate in the race who can actually beat him.

But that's just me. :/
 
I am a Hillary supporter and I have never given any credence to the online conspiracies that she has health issues but yo WTF is going on in this video? That looks like someone in serious distress

She's fainting and they are trying to make it seem like she isn't fainting.
 
The video showed a woman who was, at the least, feeling faint and weak.

That's it. She was also a smooth, graceful, and hardworking Secretary of State for around 4 years; has ran an uncompromising presidential campaign over the past year and a half or so; and generally, there have been no overt signs that she's dealing with any abnormal health issues.

The existence of a prevalent narrative on the right that she's dealing with some horrible health problems doesn't negate that. She has a coughing fit, she's caught in a moment of weakness, whatever else; these are things that happen, and while politically inconvenient, can be worked around.

good thing elections are entirely won and lost by a clear minded and dispassionate discussion of facts and policies.
 
Her body and arms seemed completely contorted in a way like people were holding her up into the van. She is gonna have to release some records to clear this one up. Shit looks real bad.


Look, I get why some of you feel the need to handwave away any speculation on Clinton's health. But doing so in a thread where there's footage of Clinton's feet dragging on the pavement when she's unconscious might not be the best arena for it.

Pretty much, everyone in super defense mode now. I was voting for her anyway but i dont like the idea of the only viable candidate this election actually not being viable.
 
Look, I get why some of you feel the need to handwave away any speculation on Clinton's health. But doing so in a thread where there's footage of Clinton's feet dragging on the pavement when she's unconscious might not be the best arena for it.

We don't know anything other than a bad episode and her showing up a couple hours later looking normal, so what good does speculation do, other than fuel more and more nonsense?
 
When it comes down to it, I certainly hope that most of the undecideds would at least be reasonable enough to rationalize that a Trump presidency is something to be avoided at all cost, regardless of how they feel about the only other candidate in the race who can actually beat him.

But that's just me. :/

The problem is that if they were "at least reasonable enough to rationalize that a Trump presidency is something to be avoided at all cost," they wouldn't be undecided.
 
Look, I get why some of you feel the need to handwave away any speculation on Clinton's health. But doing so in a thread where there's footage of Clinton's feet dragging on the pavement when she's unconscious might not be the best arena for it.

Yeah, clearly logic and reason have little place here, I agree.
 
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This election cycle is really bringing out the crazy. Unless there's more to Hillary fainting (as in a serious illness, which is likely not the case since she's already back up and about) this is nothing but Trump tweet fuel.
 
I assume the talk about her health was more crazy from the right. Coughing! Pillows! But man that video. Hope she is OK.
 
To whom?

I would kill for 80 degree weather right now.

I was in Chicago in a wool suit last month and low 80's with high humidity sucked fucking balls. I had sweat dripping down my back after like 5 minutes.
 
This is all on Obama. He should've just let her win in 2008. Now she's obviously too frail to do these campaign events now.

I still don't think he will win but she needs ti cut down on her events asap. If she faints in one of the debates it's all over.
 
"When they tell you to stay hydrated, listen!" Laugh, move on.

While it's not the best optics, that's how they should respond. If you blow it out of proportion then you feed into the conspiracy nonsense they've been running for months.
 
Pretty much, everyone in super defense mode now. I was voting for her anyway but i dont like the idea of the only viable candidate this election actually not being viable.

See, this is the nonsense that makes me shake my head. You don't like the idea of the only viable candidate this election actually not being viable now...cause of this?

I mean shit, can we wait a few days before you make the determination from a video that she is now no longer viable.
 
This is all on Obama. He should've just let her win in 2008. Now she's obviously too frail to do these campaign events now.

I still don't think he will win but she needs ti cut down on her events asap. If she faints in one of the debates it's all over.

Yeah, no one watched the Democratic primaries. I'm getting more and more convinced of that as time goes on.
 
Definitely not good and will just add fuel to a fire that's already burning.

Will be interesting to see any potential fallout and how Trump will exploit this. Hopefully this just further motivates her to kill Trump in the debate.
 
A new narrative foreshadows the first debate. This obviously doesn't look good (what else is new for this election amirght) but if Hillary trumps the birther it's bueno, until then she should up the ante on public appearances not only for optics but to prepare for Sept 26
 
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